Champion System Passives - redundancy

Faugaun

There are several redundant passives in the champion system I will give one example:

Light Armor Focus - Increases your armor value by x% (where x is between 0 and 12.8) when wearing 5 or more pieces of light armor.
Medium Armor Focus - Increases your armor value by x% (where x is between 0 and 12.8) when wearing 5 or more pieces of medium armor.
Heavy Armor Focus - Increases your armor value by x% (where x is between 0 and 12.8) when wearing 5 or more pieces of Heavy armor.

Currently this take up the space of 3 stars ...but a player will never gain anything by having more than one of these stars at a time (you might argue flexibility...but I can go do a paid respec...so not really even flexibility).

I'm not sure if this was decided because of difficulty of coming up with ideas for alternate passives? Or some other reason?

The effect this choice has is to diminish the value of the system by reducing the total number of points my character(s) can spend while still gaining a benefit...

If you examine the redundancy present across the system then the goal of 3600 CP is not really the goal.

This concerns me because well...I like the idea of a full and robust system.

I think these three stars should be consolidated into a single star:
Armor Focus - Increases Armor by x%
Or alternately
Armor Focus - Increases Armor by x% when wearing 5 or more of the same type (light, medium, heavy).

Then the two freed up stars could be changed to something new:

Pack Rat - Increases the inventory space on your character by 1 for each point in this star.

Fast Traveler - decreases the cost of teleporting to a WS by x% (this would effect both the base level and the increased cost teleport that occurs when you attempt to do this multiple times in a row).

Shadow Mastery - Decreases your stealth radius by x%

Speed Demon - Increases all movement speed by X%

Expert Thief - x% chance of upgrading the quality of stolen items by 1 level. (So x% that a white would be green or a green would be blue...basically a modifier for loot quality).

Explorer - increases exploration exp by x% (this is a great star to increase the speed that alts get to vr1, if that's desired, and has minimal impact on CP generation).

Acrobat - decreases fall damage by x%

Combat Affinity - Increases your out of combat health/stamina/magicka regen by x% (so your back in the fray quicker).

War veteran - increases AP gain by x%

Marathoner - Increases the duration of consumables by x% increasing your body's efficiency at using food and drinks.

Sous Chef - upon crafting a consumable you have a x% chance to automatically upgrade it to the next quality level.

Master Hunter - Decreases the radius that creatures (I'm thinking game animals, mammoths, guar, dwemer, seneche etc... not people, giants, players, bandits etc...).

Lucky - Increases gold looted from enemies by x% (maybe impacts # of items and/or item quality)

Master Vampire - Increases the duration of vampire stages by x% at 30 CP it also unlocks the ability to vomit instantly increasing your hunger level by 1 (example: 3 -> 4)

Master of Disguise - your criminal heat dissipates x% quicker


What I am trying to do is come up with effects that do not add to your character strength but rather open up different play styles or add other beneficial effects to create a more horizontal feel to the skills that fill in these gaps...


What do you think about the current redundant skills?

If you could suggest a passive what would it be?

Turelus

There are a few people who run 5/2 armour builds still and with the Undaunted passives some maybe even try for a mix of all three though doubtful.

I can see how one of these will almost always be redundant but at the same time that's points which are free to be spent where you are using them and those perks can be left until last. If anything the redundancy makes life a litter easier as it's one less difficult choice to make on that dreaded screen.

Faugaun

Turelus wrote: »

There are a few people who run 5/2 armour builds still and with the Undaunted passives some maybe even try for a mix of all three though doubtful.

I can see how one of these will almost always be redundant but at the same time that's points which are free to be spent where you are using them and those perks can be left until last. If anything the redundancy makes life a litter easier as it's one less difficult choice to make on that dreaded screen.

Two will always be redundant they only work when 5 pieces of that type are equipped so only one is ever active at a time (I am sure this is to prevent getting double bonus).

If it was just these 3 skills that over lapped it might not be that big a deal but there are quite a few others that suffer in the same fashion.