[Request] Please don't offer a mandatory skill respec when 1.6 hits, but instead ...

Darlantan

Takhistis wrote: »

All those people saying they will screenshot... Isn't that useless if so much skills get a major overhaul that your build isn't viable anymore?

Not everything is useless.In fact some people are saying that because the new system does work for them but it does not mean that for everyone it will be.

In my case i took them for reference. I can rebuild it like before and see if my play style still work. If not i will respect and remake them.

Darlantan

Iago wrote: »

I shouldn't have to pay for a skill respec just because the trashed the skills I use, optional respec yes but paid respec no.

They are not forcing you to pay a dime.

Geez... Everyone will get a free (forced) respect the first time they log after the patch. After, if you want to respect again that is your choice...

Oh and too people saying... I do not know if that build is good or not... The PTS is there... Stop crying big bad wolf go try it there..

Iago

Darlantan wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

I shouldn't have to pay for a skill respec just because the trashed the skills I use, optional respec yes but paid respec no.

They are not forcing you to pay a dime.

Geez... Everyone will get a free (forced) respect the first time they log after the patch. After, if you want to respect again that is your choice...

Oh and too people saying... I do not know if that build is good or not... The PTS is there... Stop crying big bad wolf go try it there..

I understand that but since the OP wants an optional paid respec, I just wanted to voice y opinion on the matter, because arent these threads about responding to the OP?

Darlantan

Iago wrote: »

Darlantan wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

I shouldn't have to pay for a skill respec just because the trashed the skills I use, optional respec yes but paid respec no.

They are not forcing you to pay a dime.

Geez... Everyone will get a free (forced) respect the first time they log after the patch. After, if you want to respect again that is your choice...

Oh and too people saying... I do not know if that build is good or not... The PTS is there... Stop crying big bad wolf go try it there..

I understand that but since the OP wants an optional paid respec, I just wanted to voice y opinion on the matter, because arent these threads about responding to the OP?

Yes you are right, but in the case, you should have quoted him since it sounded more like you did not know we had a free one and just complained.

Sorry. My mistake

Iago

Darlantan wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

Darlantan wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

I shouldn't have to pay for a skill respec just because the trashed the skills I use, optional respec yes but paid respec no.

They are not forcing you to pay a dime.

Geez... Everyone will get a free (forced) respect the first time they log after the patch. After, if you want to respect again that is your choice...

Oh and too people saying... I do not know if that build is good or not... The PTS is there... Stop crying big bad wolf go try it there..

I understand that but since the OP wants an optional paid respec, I just wanted to voice y opinion on the matter, because arent these threads about responding to the OP?

Yes you are right, but in the case, you should have quoted him since it sounded more like you did not know we had a free one.

Sorry. My mistake

No worries man it happens

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO

I got a better idea. Just send respec's through the mail. To all characters.

/endthread

RDMyers65b14_ESO

I don't think that the OP realizes the number of changes that are taking place. Yes, when you have multiple veteran characters, it might take a few minutes to reset your skills and attributes, but it is necessary as basically it is a new game with the inclusion of 1.6. It is not an optional respec, it is mandatory. It is not "offered", it is required to play the game. Not only do you have to reset your skills and abilities but you have champion points to spend if you are 50+. It amazes me that someone is qqing about having to take a few minutes to fix their character when it is basically a new game. I do suggest that you read the new skills instead of just blindly putting the points because most of the skills have changed and what may have worked before the patch may not work after and then we will see another thread complaining about how their build doesn't work anymore and that they have to pay for a respec.

Kragorn

Denidil wrote: »

use an out of game skill planner and record your spec. jeeesh

And ZOS provide such a tool .. where, exactly?

charlmgn

I think a better idea than this would be an option box when the player first logs on to each character that, instead of giving the message that all points have been reset, gives the player the option to reset or keep existing skill points as already spent. That way, anyone who doesn't want to take time to respec their characters, or even think through the changes before deciding, can keep what they have, while anyone else will have the freedom to do what we've been doing all along.

Tandor

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

I do suggest that you read the new skills instead of just blindly putting the points because most of the skills have changed and what may have worked before the patch may not work after and then we will see another thread complaining about how their build doesn't work anymore and that they have to pay for a respec.

I doubt that the average player will swot up on all the skills - and their morphs - before committing themselves which they will have to do on first logging in after the update and before they can do anything else. That is why it is so important to have a period in which changes can be freely made, failing which there will be a lot of support tickets submitted. Only a small percentage of the player-base will have checked the changes out on the PTS or read anything about them. Most will not visit this forum and a good many won't even know that the changes are coming let alone how they impact on their characters.

Frankly, I am pretty active on the forum but not on the PTS and I haven't a detailed knowledge of the changes myself. I prefer to play the game rather than study build templates and class discussions, so it's going to be an interesting exercise for me with 8 characters and little in the way of gold for paid-for respecs if I get it wrong initially.

I shall try and read up on some of this before it goes live, but is there a link to a simple explanation of how each skill line is going to change? The patch notes are going to be huge, and most people simply won't wade through them. There needs to be a concise explanation somewhere of the more important aspects.

Kragorn

I've always hated forced respecs in any game, I've never seen the need for devs. to do it, all it needs instead of all character records being flagged to do this on login is to set a flag to provide a 'free' respec next time you visit a trainer/whatever.

Recognising that newer players may not know or easily get to the NPC involved then a UI button isn't beyond the wit of man to devise.

It's simply bone-idleness on the part of MMO developers they choose probably the least user-friendly way to do it, because it's the most convenient thing for the dev. themselves.

Eppi_BE

when will 1.6 be online??
and where can i find the npc to respec my skills, the exact location pls
because i'm already looked whole Elden Root

Tandor

Kragorn wrote: »

I've always hated forced respecs in any game, I've never seen the need for devs. to do it, all it needs instead of all character records being flagged to do this on login is to set a flag to provide a 'free' respec next time you visit a trainer/whatever.

Recognising that newer players may not know or easily get to the NPC involved then a UI button isn't beyond the wit of man to devise.

It's simply bone-idleness on the part of MMO developers they choose probably the least user-friendly way to do it, because it's the most convenient thing for the dev. themselves.

I agree, Kragorn. There have been several occasions in the past where I've thought it would be good to go back to a game after a break, then logged in to find all my skills and spells reset with little recollection as to what I had before any changes let alone what I needed afterwards, so the end result was that I logged straight out and didn't bother playing the game after all.

With the enormity of the changes in 1.6 coinciding with an anticipated influx of returning players as a result of both the changes and the switch in business model, ZOS really do need to make it easy for players to mess around with their builds and try different options, as well as providing a simple summary of the changes - clearly linked on the launcher as well as the forums - rather than just 60 plus pages of patch notes. This is effectively a relaunch of the game and they need to get it right.

Gyudan

Tandor wrote: »

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

I do suggest that you read the new skills instead of just blindly putting the points because most of the skills have changed and what may have worked before the patch may not work after and then we will see another thread complaining about how their build doesn't work anymore and that they have to pay for a respec.

I doubt that the average player will swot up on all the skills - and their morphs - before committing themselves which they will have to do on first logging in after the update and before they can do anything else. That is why it is so important to have a period in which changes can be freely made, failing which there will be a lot of support tickets submitted. Only a small percentage of the player-base will have checked the changes out on the PTS or read anything about them. Most will not visit this forum and a good many won't even know that the changes are coming let alone how they impact on their characters.

Frankly, I am pretty active on the forum but not on the PTS and I haven't a detailed knowledge of the changes myself. I prefer to play the game rather than study build templates and class discussions, so it's going to be an interesting exercise for me with 8 characters and little in the way of gold for paid-for respecs if I get it wrong initially.

I shall try and read up on some of this before it goes live, but is there a link to a simple explanation of how each skill line is going to change? The patch notes are going to be huge, and most people simply won't wade through them. There needs to be a concise explanation somewhere of the more important aspects.

I fully agree. Unless you've spent time testing all the changes on the PTS, you're very unlikely to get your build right on the very first try. Leaving the skills as they are and then allowing the player to respec freely / for a small amount of gold is a better solution. The skill reset on login wipes everyone's build and makes it impossible to test what still works, what works better and what needs to be changed.

Eppi_BE wrote: »

when will 1.6 be online??
and where can i find the npc to respec my skills, the exact location pls
because i'm already looked whole Elden Root

1.6 comes out next monday/tuesday. Inside the large tree you should find 3 shrines: one for the wedding ritual, one to reset skillpoints and one to reset attribute points. I've never done it in the AD zones, so this could be inaccurate.
edit: found this video

Darlgon

Takhistis wrote: »

All those people saying they will screenshot... Isn't that useless if so much skills get a major overhaul that your build isn't viable anymore?

Yeah.. I already have picked morphs that will work better in 1.6 than the ones I have chosen now, from playing on the PTS with my transferred character. People will WANT to read what does what, not just blindly respec back to what they were.

Robbmrp

Eppi_BE wrote: »

when will 1.6 be online??
and where can i find the npc to respec my skills, the exact location pls
because i'm already looked whole Elden Root

Take one of the doors leading into the Elden Root tree. In that area(big circle with wayshrine in the center), there is a area in between the doors leading back out, you should see an area with 3-4 shrine stands. They aren't very big. Some of them do nothing while others will reset your attributes or skill points.

If you use the wayshrine to get in, look towards the doors heading out of the tree and do a 360 until you see the shrine area.

Majic

Just make the shrines free.

Inventory space, travel and armor repair costs are big enough gold sinks to keep people broke already.

starkerealm

Robbmrp wrote: »

Some of you are so funny...

I have 8 toons and it took me less than 20 min to take some screenshot of my current setup for each of them.

I haven't even done that. I'm just going to build up something that looks interesting on live after the kick over. The only character I'm a little worried about is my vet 10, and I'm just going to need to derp around on some lowbies to get the hang of the new systems rather than spec her up immediately, once this goes live.

I mean, the big thing is there are some major changes, why would I want to duplicate my old build if there's better options now?

UrQuan

Natjur wrote: »

I guess that add-on which exports your build (all skills picked and the morphs) to a text file is finally going to be more useful, almost needed

Anyone know the name of this addon? @Natjur do you know it?

With 16 characters, this could be a lifesaver for me...

I still say a forced respec at logon is the worst way to do this. The best way is 1 free respec per character to be done any time within a set period of time (2 weeks, 3 weeks, whatever), and then cheap respecs for a set period of time if you've already used up your free one. This is the only way that people who haven't spent a ton of time on the PTS will be able to properly work out what builds do and don't work well in 1.6.

Novesette

UrQuan wrote: »

Natjur wrote: »

I guess that add-on which exports your build (all skills picked and the morphs) to a text file is finally going to be more useful, almost needed

Anyone know the name of this addon? @Natjur do you know it?

I second this, must have this add-on if it exists!

starkerealm

Novesette wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

Natjur wrote: »

I guess that add-on which exports your build (all skills picked and the morphs) to a text file is finally going to be more useful, almost needed

Anyone know the name of this addon? @Natjur do you know it?

I second this, must have this add-on if it exists!

I think he might be talking about this: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/141246/oghma-infinium-a-character-tracking-addon

I'm honestly not sure, though. I found it through this thread: http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/151269/suggestion-export-build-information-in-a-text-format-or-something-similar

Aimelin

Anyone in here that needs screenshots or an add-on that exports your build ..... you're all baddies, if you know your class and what type of playstyle (magicka / stam) you wanna go for, you'll know what abilities, passives and weapon skills to put points into ...

if you're saying its too hard for 8 characters .... welp not my fault you have terrible memory

Vizier

shrug. It doesn't matter. It really doesn't take that long. I'm fine with whatever they do, so voucher, auto-respec, cheap respec... It's nothing but at thing that will take all of a half hour for all characters.

Sheuib

I like having the full respec. I think the best way to handle this is to not try and respec everything you had before right when you log in. I will respec what I am going to use right away like the two weapons I plan on use and the class skills that I plan on use along with armor and racial passives. Then I will respec my crafting. After that I will wait to respec any abilities later that I find that I am going to need.

I am sure everyone has gotten abilities to try out and found that it was just very situational or not as useful as they thought it would be. So no point putting those points back in. If you take the respec process slow and as needed you will make better decisions and it won't be as painful.

Darlantan

I still do not understand why some people want to implement stupid complex system...

Token system : Does not always work, very complex... How do you track which character used the token since we have a common bank, everyone can access the mail once it's received, can't bind item on one character? Yes they change that but... Waste of time and beside the tracking mentioned before you also add : Where is my token, my token did nothing, etc they will have to deal with.

Free respect for a time : What happen to the guy that come back after the grace period? Again, add complexity and time.

For the people who do not want change (forced respect)... Easy, take screenshot if you can't remember your setup, patch and redo it after that. Take about 20 minutes to do. NOT that hard...

Merlin13KAGL

starkerealm wrote: »

Panda244 wrote: »

They aren't offering a free respec are they? No reason to, any skill they change, they give you the skill points back and it automatically removes the skill points from the skill, allowing you to spec back into it, or give up on it. So you're all good

There've been some pretty major changes. For one thing Mage Light no longer detects hidden enemies, it's specifically one of the morphs (inner light, I think). Blood Rage no longer builds ultimate, but extends the timer for taking damage. I forget what else off hand, those are the two that immediately affect my characters.

So, there's a full respec on PTS, and that will probably go live, because of the skill overhauls.

@starkerealm , Radiant detects and prevents crits/stuns from sneak/stealth attacks. Inner ups your crit rating.

Jar_Ek wrote: »

As this is a freaking huge set of changes, it will take time to create viable builds. Thus having a week or so of free attribute and skill resets would be a nice touch... and free champion points resets if those are going to cost as well.

@Jar_Ek, most of your base skills are unlikely to change as much as you think (in terms of what you use, that is), merely the morphs you choose (morph only respecs) and the skill combinations.

Everyone else: It just makes sense to start from scratch. If you've been on the PTS, you'll have some idea where you want to initially go with things.

If you have not been on the PTS, you're going to want the respec. You're going to want to take some time looking at the changes and making your choices. One week of free/cheap respec wouldn't be enough if you don't already know some of the mods that have taken place.

Resetting all points gives you initial opportunity to go through the skills and look at the changes, same time (most) everyone else is.

If you just port over your current, build a week from now you're going to be wondering why things are different and have to go through the process anyway.

There is no direct translation from 1.5 to 1.6 - you will change something (to be viable.)

Darlgon

BTW.. between wipes of the PTS, Wykkyds Outfitter kept all my skill setups in order. All I had to do was remember which morphs and skills I had chosen. If I chose a different morph, that morph went into that same spot on my skill bar. I see no reason why my skill bars would be different.

However, for the bigger skill point setup.. frankly, screen shot are cumbersome. Literally, it would be better to create a VR14 on the PTS, READ YOUR SKILLS AND MORPHS and write down what you want to use, since EVERY FREAKING SKILL is changing somewhat with this update. MOST of your skills may have/ WILL HAVE different uses and actions than they do on live.

CodexMMO

Imryll wrote: »

Please do offer a free respec. Allowing folks to opt out is fine, but I don't want to feel time pressure to respec all my characters. I'd much rather have a chance to decide what I want to do with each character at my leisure, not feel I need to hustle in order to take advantage of temporary pricing.

Agreed^^

Zershar_Vemod

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

They refund all points after EVERY major update. And 1.6 being the MOST major to date, I can't see them doing anything differently.

Whip out some notepads, boys and girls, it's time to make that list.

And check it twice?

Or just take screenshots if one isn't changing their build for 1.6.

Merlin13KAGL

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

WraithAzraiel wrote: »

They refund all points after EVERY major update. And 1.6 being the MOST major to date, I can't see them doing anything differently.

Whip out some notepads, boys and girls, it's time to make that list.

And check it twice?

Or just take screenshots if one isn't changing their build for 1.6.

@Zershar_Vemod , one not changing their build for 1.6 is going to have a whole different kind of surprise.