How important are racials in 1.6?

TherrusD

I want to create a Sorcerer but I HATE playing as a highelf(thank you, Skyrim) and I already got a Breton.
How bad will a Dunmer Sorcerer fare?

madangrypally

Dunmer will be a decent race for Sorcerers. In general racials are much more important in Update 6 then they were prior since the removal of soft caps. Certain races just down right suck.

Rev Rielle

Honestly, play whatever race you like for whatever class you like. It really doesn't make that big of a difference. What you enjoy doing is FAR more important than any min/maxing of your character's race. Simply because if you want to experience enjoy a lot of what the game has to offer chance are you'll be spending 100's (if not 1000's) of hours playing with that character. If you don't like them you won't play them.

If you have a Breton and enjoy that race, stick with them. Don't worry about what others say is the 'best'; the best class is the one that you enjoy playing. You will be able to play and enjoy the entire game with any class/race combination.

Hawke

Racials do not matter. What matters is what the look and feel for the character you are playing means to you. If you can get behind (literally) your character for hours, then that is the race.

Sorry, but dat's the truth.

The more you know.

TherrusD

I made my Dunmer Telvanni-like sorcerer(very fitting for a Morrowind fan like me).
Thank you guys.

ashlee17

On numbers I would choose imperial or high elf, that being said I stll love my Argonian

Morvul

with the removal of softcaps, racials matter more in 1.6 then they did in 1.5.
Especially valuable are the "Max resource" racials (Magica, in your case).
Therefore, a Dunmer will be not that much worse then a Altmer or Breton.

That said, I love my Orc Sorcerer and certainly won't stop playing the guy.
Does not change the fact that I'm about 8% or so less effective than if I would have choosen a Breton Sorcerer...
To me, it's worth it to feel like a unique snow flake playing an orc caster
(And back when I made the choice, there were still softcaps, so the difference was smaller...)

Danikat

This thread pretty much sums up The Elder Scrolls class system to me.

When I first got Morrowind (my first TES game) I wanted to play a khajjit, but I also wanted to play a melee fighter who used a bit of destruction and restoration magic. I kept being told "No, no, khajiit are only for thieves guild quests, they can't be magicians and can't win a fight if you don't sneak in." Admittedly it wasn't as easy as it could have been. but with some tweaking I make it work and I've been playing some variation on that build ever since.

I gradually learned the whole class system is like that. There definitely are combination which work better, but if you're willing to accept that you won't steamroller content you can make anything work.

Rev Rielle

Morvul wrote: »

with the removal of softcaps, racials matter more in 1.6 then they did in 1.5.
...

Yes, they will have more of an impact, but they are still very far from being important in the decision making. They add a little flavour to the class, that is all.

All passives are helpful in some way to every type of class, just not in the most easy to understand, or obvious way.

TherrusD wrote: »

I made my Dunmer Telvanni-like sorcerer(very fitting for a Morrowind fan like me).
Thank you guys.

Sounds great!

eliisra

Rev Rielle wrote: »

Yes, they will have more of an impact, but they are still very far from being important in the decision making. They add a little flavour to the class, that is all.

All passives are helpful in some way to every type of class, just not in the most easy to understand, or obvious way.

If you're comparing Dunmer, Altmer or Breton, than I agree. Not much impact, they all give strong bonuses for a caster and you can pick based on lore/cosmetics.

But overall, than racial bonuses have to much impact in 1.6 with no soft caps. Compare a stamina based Argonian, with a stamina based Imperial for example. The difference in attributes there are substantial. Attributes also contributes to strength of your skills, not just how many times you can use them. In cases like that, it's no longer a case of min/max, it's a clear case of imbalance.

I never played an MMO, where race gave you such advantages. Frankly, it's not a good design. It's hard enough for developers to balance classes and skill lines, so why have power gaps and big role advantages between races to, adding even more disparity and turbulence.

Than again, some people play this game as some sort of solo-experience and or they dont PvP or run endgame PvE content. They might feel that playing "the underdog" or a race with no passives supporting current build, increases immersion, RP moments and overall fun factor. I can totally understand why they dont care about racials the same way I do lol. But still, this isn't a single player PvE console game.

MorHawk

I'm continually amazed at the crowd that actually genuinely tries to argue that bonuses totalling 22% don't matter.

Nefrast

Danikat wrote: »

if you're willing to accept that you won't steamroller content you can make anything work.

Especially as a mediocre player doing PVP.

Artemiisia

Race only matter if you want to be a min/maxer I think the term is, other than that enjoy what ever you want to in the end, you are the one "driving" your char, not others.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

just ignore the people who say it dosent matter, Obviously if you dont care it dosent matter. but seeing that you are asking and may make a choice based on what is more ideal, well clearly it matters:/ seeing that race means nothing in the game aside from passives and RP value you may as well pick something complementary to your intended playstyle unless roleplaying is the most important factor.
Id go with breton or altmer myself for a sorc, dunmer is good if you want to focus on fire destruction and or be a vampire but if you dont you arnt using your passives. if you want to make stamina based sorc character I recommend a race that gives more stamina/ stamina recovery like a redguard

My breton templar will never be as good as a redguad templar if i want to go stamina, sure breton stamina is good enough for most stuff and I wont miss out on content but if you are interested in getting into competitive pvp or the hardest pve why not pick something that can be most optimal for your build.
Good luck

TherrusD

Hey everyone! Thank you all for the numerous posts.

Another thing has come up. Because I've played so much EP I want to reroll my other characters to EP from DC. One of which is a Dunmer DK.

How much of a bad time will I have if I were to...say pick Argonian DK for my EP character?
I'm no true min maxer but I don't want to be completely useless...will I be? I kinda liked Argonians even back in Morrowind.
I do kind of plan to PvP and I'll probably play a stamina build(because I liked that with my other DK).
Are they really that bad for 1.6?

Rev Rielle

MorHawk wrote: »

I'm continually amazed at the crowd that actually genuinely tries to argue that bonuses totalling 22% don't matter.

No, we're not saying it doesn't make a difference. What we're saying is that when you look at it holistically, and not just narrowly with one part of the combat mechanic in mind, you'll find that all racial passives will help your character in some way.

People, look at passives far too simply. I'm not sure whether it's because they don't actually understand the complexity of combat mechanics or something else, but - using your example; just using one passive's cumulative percentage of 22%, is completely misleading.

Many players that think passives are so important are those that often seems to only know how to play their character one way. It might look good on paper, but when it comes to the reality of actually playing the game, it becomes clear that theory and practice are two very different things, and are definitely not the same.

All passives have advantages and disadvantages for all play styles and all classes. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand the finer points of combat in ESO.

TherrusD wrote: »

Hey everyone! Thank you all for the numerous posts.

Another thing has come up. Because I've played so much EP I want to reroll my other characters to EP from DC. One of which is a Dunmer DK.

How much of a bad time will I have if I were to...say pick Argonian DK for my EP character?
I'm no true min maxer but I don't want to be completely useless...will I be? I kinda liked Argonians even back in Morrowind.
I do kind of plan to PvP and I'll probably play a stamina build(because I liked that with my other DK).
Are they really that bad for 1.6?

You won't have a bad time. As most people that understand have said; passives add a little flavour, but certainly aren't a make-or-break choice for a character or class. You summed it up when you said 'I kinda liked Argonians'. If you like them, then go for it. You certainly won't end up playing a lot of a race you don't like.

Finally, if you're interested at all, have a look here at the various passives and what they provide.

MorHawk

Rev Rielle wrote: »

All passives have advantages and disadvantages for all play styles and all classes. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't understand the finer points of combat in ESO.

Anyone who disagrees with me doesn't understand the subject. These forums man, these forums.