I think this is an interesting idea, but is basically ally just asking for the same buffs igneous shield gives but active at all times as long as bound aegis is toggled on. ZOS can do a better job to make the Sorcerer feel like a unique healer.Sorcerer healers have it tough for a pure magicka ranged class. Quite frankly the change to Igneous shield to give a 30% healing buff for a class originally designed to be tanks leaves a bad taste of neglect in my mouth.
Bound Aegis... Bound Armor in general isn't that great, its a toggle THAT REQUIRES TO BE ON TWO ABILITY BARS TO BE ACTIVE and doesn't add much unless you morph it and want a stamina melee sorcerer.
I actually think Bound Aegis should have a major mending buff to encourage more sorcerers to use it as well as help them out with healing to. Quite frankly I am surprised that this pure magicka ranged class has been left out in the rain when it comes to healing.
madangrypally wrote: »Change it to look like this:
Bound Armor: Protect yourself with the power of Oblivion, creating a suit of Daedric mail that grants minor resolve and minor ward, increasing your Armor and Spell resistance by 960.
The armor also increases your Max Magicka by 8%.
Bound Aegis: New effect: Increasing healing done by 15% and give 1950 spell penetration. (Not sure if 15% is to high or not)
Bound Armaments: New Effect: Increases damage with light/heavy attacks by 11% and gives 2600 physical penetration. Max Stamina by 8% instead of Max Magicka.
However saying DK= tank shows me your outlook of the classes as a whole is very limited. Every class should be able to be effective at any role. That's what ZOS has always strived for and with update 6 they're closer than ever. Sorc's needs some tweaks/buffs and every class will be in a really good spot for update 6.
However saying DK= tank shows me your outlook of the classes as a whole is very limited. Every class should be able to be effective at any role. That's what ZOS has always strived for and with update 6 they're closer than ever. Sorc's needs some tweaks/buffs and every class will be in a really good spot for update 6.
I agree that players should play the way they want with classes they make. But you can't deny the overwhelming potency that the DK abilities have with the role of tanking.
My point wasn't to say "DK should stick to tanking and nothing more" but to point out why a class with one ability morph is now effective in healing roles like other classes except for the pure ranged magicka one that is literally called Sorcerer for mastery of magical spells.
When it comes to Bound Aegis, it just literally doesn't fit that well or is desirable for the cost it asks to remain active and Sorcerers need help when it comes to healing like other classes have received.
Just because an opinion is popular does not mean that opinion is correct. Test things for yourself instead of following the forum hivemind. I can promise the majority of the Sorc whine is from people who haven't actually played on the PTS or people who refuse to adapt to a changing metagame.
Just because an opinion is popular does not mean that opinion is correct. Test things for yourself instead of following the forum hivemind. I can promise the majority of the Sorc whine is from people who haven't actually played on the PTS or people who refuse to adapt to a changing metagame.
Just because an opinion is popular does not mean that opinion is correct. Test things for yourself instead of following the forum hivemind. I can promise the majority of the Sorc whine is from people who haven't actually played on the PTS or people who refuse to adapt to a changing metagame.
Do they need some tweaks/buffs? Yes. Are they as terrible and underpowered as these forums would have you believe? F*ck no.
As said in another thread about this very issue, how the fook are people just NOW realizing that Igneous Shield has had a Healing buff for MONTHS. It's 33% on Live for 6 seconds (30% on PTS for 7 seconds) and has been available to DK's since no later than August and probably many months before that.Sorcerer healers have it tough for a pure magicka ranged class. Quite frankly the change to Igneous shield to give a 30% healing buff for a class originally designed to be tanks leaves a bad taste of neglect in my mouth.
Bound Aegis... Bound Armor in general isn't that great, its a toggle THAT REQUIRES TO BE ON TWO ABILITY BARS TO BE ACTIVE and doesn't add much unless you morph it and want a stamina melee sorcerer.
I actually think Bound Aegis should have a major mending buff to encourage more sorcerers to use it as well as help them out with healing to. Quite frankly I am surprised that this pure magicka ranged class has been left out in the rain when it comes to healing.
As said in another thread about this very issue, how the fook are people just NOW realizing that Igneous Shield has had a Healing buff for MONTHS. It's 33% on Live for 6 seconds (30% on PTS for 7 seconds) and has been available to DK's since no later than August and probably many months before that.Sorcerer healers have it tough for a pure magicka ranged class. Quite frankly the change to Igneous shield to give a 30% healing buff for a class originally designed to be tanks leaves a bad taste of neglect in my mouth.
Bound Aegis... Bound Armor in general isn't that great, its a toggle THAT REQUIRES TO BE ON TWO ABILITY BARS TO BE ACTIVE and doesn't add much unless you morph it and want a stamina melee sorcerer.
I actually think Bound Aegis should have a major mending buff to encourage more sorcerers to use it as well as help them out with healing to. Quite frankly I am surprised that this pure magicka ranged class has been left out in the rain when it comes to healing.
Just because an opinion is popular does not mean that opinion is correct. Test things for yourself instead of following the forum hivemind. I can promise the majority of the Sorc whine is from people who haven't actually played on the PTS or people who refuse to adapt to a changing metagame.
Do they need some tweaks/buffs? Yes. Are they as terrible and underpowered as these forums would have you believe? F*ck no.
You're basically saying what we're all saying, but you have to admit that if any class is BELOW others in any category they will be almost completely left out of that role in focused guilds. I do believe that Sorcs in 1.6 will be bottom of the barrel for stamina DPS, heals, and tanking is too early to tell for me but I think they'll be in last place again. I get what you're saying in that overbuffing should be avoided, but I can't see anyone making a rational argument that Sorc excel in anything other than ranged DPS and that is a problem.
Just because an opinion is popular does not mean that opinion is correct. Test things for yourself instead of following the forum hivemind. I can promise the majority of the Sorc whine is from people who haven't actually played on the PTS or people who refuse to adapt to a changing metagame.
Do they need some tweaks/buffs? Yes. Are they as terrible and underpowered as these forums would have you believe? F*ck no.
You're basically saying what we're all saying, but you have to admit that if any class is BELOW others in any category they will be almost completely left out of that role in focused guilds. I do believe that Sorcs in 1.6 will be bottom of the barrel for stamina DPS, heals, and tanking is too early to tell for me but I think they'll be in last place again. I get what you're saying in that overbuffing should be avoided, but I can't see anyone making a rational argument that Sorc excel in anything other than ranged DPS and that is a problem.
Do not make the mistake of underestimating the potential of Sorc tanking in update 6, mark my words. As I've said in other threads after my experience on the PTS with the Sorc I am currently working on leveling one up. It's an extremely uncoventional build but it's extremely effective and it's not a build that would be possible or viable pre-1.6.
Sorcs as they are currently don't need a lot. They need some stamina love in the form of some class morphs. They need a "filler" ability to weave with light attacks that isn't force shock. They also need a relatively reliable in-combat self-heal. Outside of that the class is in a good position IMO.
Sorcerer healers have it tough for a pure magicka ranged class. Quite frankly the change to Igneous shield to give a 30% healing buff for a class originally designed to be tanks leaves a bad taste of neglect in my mouth.
Bound Aegis... Bound Armor in general isn't that great, its a toggle THAT REQUIRES TO BE ON TWO ABILITY BARS TO BE ACTIVE and doesn't add much unless you morph it and want a stamina melee sorcerer.
I actually think Bound Aegis should have a major mending buff to encourage more sorcerers to use it as well as help them out with healing to. Quite frankly I am surprised that this pure magicka ranged class has been left out in the rain when it comes to healing.
Just because an opinion is popular does not mean that opinion is correct. Test things for yourself instead of following the forum hivemind. I can promise the majority of the Sorc whine is from people who haven't actually played on the PTS or people who refuse to adapt to a changing metagame.
Do they need some tweaks/buffs? Yes. Are they as terrible and underpowered as these forums would have you believe? F*ck no.
You're basically saying what we're all saying, but you have to admit that if any class is BELOW others in any category they will be almost completely left out of that role in focused guilds. I do believe that Sorcs in 1.6 will be bottom of the barrel for stamina DPS, heals, and tanking is too early to tell for me but I think they'll be in last place again. I get what you're saying in that overbuffing should be avoided, but I can't see anyone making a rational argument that Sorc excel in anything other than ranged DPS and that is a problem.
Do not make the mistake of underestimating the potential of Sorc tanking in update 6, mark my words. As I've said in other threads after my experience on the PTS with the Sorc I am currently working on leveling one up. It's an extremely uncoventional build but it's extremely effective and it's not a build that would be possible or viable pre-1.6.
Sorcs as they are currently don't need a lot. They need some stamina love in the form of some class morphs. They need a "filler" ability to weave with light attacks that isn't force shock. They also need a relatively reliable in-combat self-heal. Outside of that the class is in a good position IMO.
If your tanking build is based on unstable clannfear, you're gonna have a bad time (in 6 or so months when they get around to correcting it). If it isn't based on clannfear then it isn't something everyone else hasn't tried before and come to the conclusion that, while doable, it is still only the fourth best tank out of four.
You say sorcs don't need a lot besides stamina love, filler dps ability, and in combat self heal. I say sorcs do need a lot and that is stamina love, filler dps ability, in combat self heal, AND something to boost their healing so they aren't fourth out of four on that as well.
Sorcerer healers have it tough for a pure magicka ranged class. Quite frankly the change to Igneous shield to give a 30% healing buff for a class originally designed to be tanks leaves a bad taste of neglect in my mouth.
Bound Aegis... Bound Armor in general isn't that great, its a toggle THAT REQUIRES TO BE ON TWO ABILITY BARS TO BE ACTIVE and doesn't add much unless you morph it and want a stamina melee sorcerer.
I actually think Bound Aegis should have a major mending buff to encourage more sorcerers to use it as well as help them out with healing to. Quite frankly I am surprised that this pure magicka ranged class has been left out in the rain when it comes to healing.
Sorcerer healers have it tough for a pure magicka ranged class. Quite frankly the change to Igneous shield to give a 30% healing buff for a class originally designed to be tanks leaves a bad taste of neglect in my mouth.
Bound Aegis... Bound Armor in general isn't that great, its a toggle THAT REQUIRES TO BE ON TWO ABILITY BARS TO BE ACTIVE and doesn't add much unless you morph it and want a stamina melee sorcerer.
I actually think Bound Aegis should have a major mending buff to encourage more sorcerers to use it as well as help them out with healing to. Quite frankly I am surprised that this pure magicka ranged class has been left out in the rain when it comes to healing.
Change to igneous shield?
Igneous shield on live, right this very moment, gives 33% bonus healing for 6 seconds. I think maybe you should learn the different classes and abilities before having stuff "leave a bad taste in your mouth" and suggesting changes to other class abilities.
Just because an opinion is popular does not mean that opinion is correct. Test things for yourself instead of following the forum hivemind. I can promise the majority of the Sorc whine is from people who haven't actually played on the PTS or people who refuse to adapt to a changing metagame.
Do they need some tweaks/buffs? Yes. Are they as terrible and underpowered as these forums would have you believe? F*ck no.
Sorcerer healers have it tough for a pure magicka ranged class. Quite frankly the change to Igneous shield to give a 30% healing buff for a class originally designed to be tanks leaves a bad taste of neglect in my mouth.
Bound Aegis... Bound Armor in general isn't that great, its a toggle THAT REQUIRES TO BE ON TWO ABILITY BARS TO BE ACTIVE and doesn't add much unless you morph it and want a stamina melee sorcerer.
I actually think Bound Aegis should have a major mending buff to encourage more sorcerers to use it as well as help them out with healing to. Quite frankly I am surprised that this pure magicka ranged class has been left out in the rain when it comes to healing.
Change to igneous shield?
Igneous shield on live, right this very moment, gives 33% bonus healing for 6 seconds. I think maybe you should learn the different classes and abilities before having stuff "leave a bad taste in your mouth" and suggesting changes to other class abilities.
Your right I misread the patch notes when they gave Igneous shield major mending. Didn't know it was already active on live. Still doesn't mean bound Aegis have a major mending would be a bad suggestion either.
Just because an opinion is popular does not mean that opinion is correct. Test things for yourself instead of following the forum hivemind. I can promise the majority of the Sorc whine is from people who haven't actually played on the PTS or people who refuse to adapt to a changing metagame.
Do they need some tweaks/buffs? Yes. Are they as terrible and underpowered as these forums would have you believe? F*ck no.
You're basically saying what we're all saying, but you have to admit that if any class is BELOW others in any category they will be almost completely left out of that role in focused guilds. I do believe that Sorcs in 1.6 will be bottom of the barrel for stamina DPS, heals, and tanking is too early to tell for me but I think they'll be in last place again. I get what you're saying in that overbuffing should be avoided, but I can't see anyone making a rational argument that Sorc excel in anything other than ranged DPS and that is a problem.
Do not make the mistake of underestimating the potential of Sorc tanking in update 6, mark my words. As I've said in other threads after my experience on the PTS with the Sorc I am currently working on leveling one up. It's an extremely uncoventional build but it's extremely effective and it's not a build that would be possible or viable pre-1.6.
Sorcs as they are currently don't need a lot. They need some stamina love in the form of some class morphs. They need a "filler" ability to weave with light attacks that isn't force shock. They also need a relatively reliable in-combat self-heal. Outside of that the class is in a good position IMO.
If your tanking build is based on unstable clannfear, you're gonna have a bad time (in 6 or so months when they get around to correcting it). If it isn't based on clannfear then it isn't something everyone else hasn't tried before and come to the conclusion that, while doable, it is still only the fourth best tank out of four.
You say sorcs don't need a lot besides stamina love, filler dps ability, and in combat self heal. I say sorcs do need a lot and that is stamina love, filler dps ability, in combat self heal, AND something to boost their healing so they aren't fourth out of four on that as well.
Sorcs are currently 1st or 2nd best healer for 4 man speed runs - you will see sorc healers on a substantial amount of the best VDSA times.
outside of templar being great at everything, each class is good at different healing tasks, Sorc included. For DKs that is short burst heals, for sorc its optimized speedrunning.