DOTs, Shields and "Valkyn Skoria" Setproc - Bug? *proof inside*

Yuke

Hey, its me again. -_-

So, ive been testing the valkyn skoria set with a friend of mine in PvP. He did his damage shields, i applied my dots (finally most of them are working against shields) but there was no meteor proc from valkyn skoria.

We have been testing for several minutes, so it was no bad luck issue...

Without damage shields the proc from valkyn skoria was working fine, so my set isnt broken.

I wanna know if this is working as intended or a bug which should have been fixed. Already wrote 2 bug reports ig, but nothing changes...(yes im frustrated)

olsborg

those sets are OP anyway:) just saying..

Yuke

Again, i didnt want to start a discussion if something should be nerfed or not. But i ******* need clarification if this is working as intended to finally find my 1.6. pvp build.

glavius

Same with alot of other stuff sadly =/ I bug appealed too, but on the skills quick siphon and elemental drain not working.

Yuke

Man i didnt know that quick siphon doesnt work too. This is a major problem it seems.

Plz ZoS, do something.

Yuke

Proof that it still doesnt work with 1.6.4.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaYRxfpZbIc&feature=youtu.be

Iyas

thanks for the vid, need a fix asap!

Iyas

Any updates?

kkampaseb17_ESO

If you check my post back with 1.6.2 where I stated that anything that requires a "hit" to register, it doesn't work on an enemy with a shield, whether it is 100% chance or any other chance. That include Evil Hunter (skills), Valkyn, Mephala, Ravager (sets) even the 100% chance on hit to gain Armor penetration with Twice Fanged set (WTF!!!) and everything else apart from weapon glyphs.

ArconSeptim

Yuke wrote: »

Proof that it still doesnt work with 1.6.4.:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaYRxfpZbIc&feature=youtu.be

Harness magicka was always a bugged one, especially if you vampire and combine it with elusive mist...

Soulac

Fix pls!

Yuke

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

If you check my post back with 1.6.2 where I stated that anything that requires a "hit" to register, it doesn't work on an enemy with a shield, whether it is 100% chance or any other chance. That include Evil Hunter (skills), Valkyn, Mephala, Ravager (sets) even the 100% chance on hit to gain Armor penetration with Twice Fanged set (WTF!!!) and everything else apart from weapon glyphs.

I just wanna know if this is working as intended, so i dont have to waste my time bug-reporting things

keni_harringtonb16_ESO

Yuke wrote: »

Hey, its me again. -_-

So, ive been testing the valkyn skoria set with a friend of mine in PvP. He did his damage shields, i applied my dots (finally most of them are working against shields) but there was no meteor proc from valkyn skoria.

We have been testing for several minutes, so it was no bad luck issue...

Without damage shields the proc from valkyn skoria was working fine, so my set isnt broken.

I wanna know if this is working as intended or a bug which should have been fixed. Already wrote 2 bug reports ig, but nothing changes...(yes im frustrated)

i understand your confusion but the set does saywhen damaging an enemy with a damage over time and someoen with a shield isnt technically being damaged now as you know im a nb so i dont get shields as openly as everyone so you know im not hiding behind this but i also DONT want this to change as i think its fine things should'nt ALWAYS proc just as it is with something like quick siphon skill you dont get the heal as long as they have the shield active also

Yuke

Well, i think they have to make those things working against shields. Otherwise i dont know how magicka users will ever be able to eat up shields fast enough in 1.6. to damage the enemy.

kkampaseb17_ESO

keni_harringtonb16_ESO wrote: »

Yuke wrote: »

Hey, its me again. -_-

So, ive been testing the valkyn skoria set with a friend of mine in PvP. He did his damage shields, i applied my dots (finally most of them are working against shields) but there was no meteor proc from valkyn skoria.

We have been testing for several minutes, so it was no bad luck issue...

Without damage shields the proc from valkyn skoria was working fine, so my set isnt broken.

I wanna know if this is working as intended or a bug which should have been fixed. Already wrote 2 bug reports ig, but nothing changes...(yes im frustrated)

i understand your confusion but the set does saywhen damaging an enemy with a damage over time and someoen with a shield isnt technically being damaged now as you know im a nb so i dont get shields as openly as everyone so you know im not hiding behind this but i also DONT want this to change as i think its fine things should'nt ALWAYS proc just as it is with something like quick siphon skill you dont get the heal as long as they have the shield active also

If this was true then yes I would agree. However it is also true for any set saying "Attacking an enemy" http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Twice-Fanged+Serpent+Set

Or this "Fully charged heavy attacks blablabla". I don't see anywhere the damage part. http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Spawn+of+Mephala+Set

Or this: http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Ravager+Set

Damage shields negate all procs on hit. Does it look like it is working as it should?

trimsic_ESO

There are many issues with DOTs and damage shields. For instance:
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/153333/bug-bleed-does-not-work-on-damage-shield

We need clarification, simplification, and consistency, basically we need an answer to
- Why a damage shield purges bleed but not other DOTs?
- When a damage shield absorbs DOTs, are the procs based on DOTs supposed to be disabled?

ToRelax

Really the only thing I agree with what shouldn't proc on damage shields are crits.
ZOS already made crit surge proc on shields while not actually doing higher damage so I guess they don't want crits on shields either.

CC and all kinds of skill and set procs should work on shields as if you actually hit HP.

kkampaseb17_ESO

ToRelax wrote: »

Really the only thing I agree with what shouldn't proc on damage shields are crits.
ZOS already made crit surge proc on shields while not actually doing higher damage so I guess they don't want crits on shields either.

CC and all kinds of skill and set procs should work on shields as if you actually hit HP.

Totally agree. What they don't want is the actual value of damage of the critical hit. Not the secondary effects of a critical hit through certain abilities.

They should allow procs to happen on shields. But I do understand them not allowing bleed dots since you don't actually cut the enemy to apply bleeding effect (and I am utilizing bleed on my build).

trimsic_ESO

kkampaseb17_ESO wrote: »

ToRelax wrote: »

Really the only thing I agree with what shouldn't proc on damage shields are crits.
ZOS already made crit surge proc on shields while not actually doing higher damage so I guess they don't want crits on shields either.

CC and all kinds of skill and set procs should work on shields as if you actually hit HP.

Totally agree. What they don't want is the actual value of damage of the critical hit. Not the secondary effects of a critical hit through certain abilities.

They should allow procs to happen on shields. But I do understand them not allowing bleed dots since you don't actually cut the enemy to apply bleeding effect (and I am utilizing bleed on my build).

Then, fire dots should be purged by the shields too, because we don't actually burn the enemy.

But this is going too far. If bleed dots are purged by the shields, then weapon abilities, passive abilities, and PVP sets causing bleeding effects are useless in Cyrodiil. Think about blood craze, twin blade and blunt, twin sisters, etc... The impact on these game elements is too important. Why should I buy a twin sisters set, or what should I do of the twin sisters set I've bought once 1.6 is released? Why should I get rid of the blood craze skill, and why should I get rid of my 1H axes once 1.6 is released? These skills are especially useful in small scale combats, so are the damage shields. This would mean that abilities that we would normally use in small scale combat would become useless in small scale combat as 1.6 is released. See the contradiction?

Yuke

Purge abilities should be the only counter allowed against dots imho...

But as we all know, ZoS wants to get rid of the skill in this game, so that the console gamers wont be overwhelmed with those little gamepads they have....;)

glavius

Pretty sure it's intended. Other stuff like quick siphon and elemental drain procs don't work either, not in 1.5, and not in 1.6.

Yuke

well if all of this is intended...then holy jesus...this game is broken

would love to know if those things (siphon, elemental drain, valkyn skoria etc) work against shields in pve (city of ash boss et al)

olsborg

Things do need to procc off shields. And some things do (ie surge) so why the "special" treatment. Wards are strong enough already, they shouldnt negate key parts of some builds (ie quick siphon).

So, yes, it does need to be fixed so...bumped:)