Enlightenment works:

GOREKIN

Can we get a dev to please tell us how this really works. Past info seems not clear at all.

Past Post
Hey all. Here's some specifics about how Enlightenment works:

You'll receive a pool of XP that you'll gain at an accelerated rate. That amount is 400,000 XP during every 24-hour period. You are able to gain XP at the accelerated rate for up to 3 days worth of time, equaling 1.2 million in XP. This pool of XP can be spent on any of your veteran rank characters.

There should be no way to lose Enlightenment other than earning your allotted XP during that period of time. If you're noticing a loss of Enlightenment after zoning, entering a dungeon, or randomly during your time in-game, and you have not reached that max number of XP, that is not working as designed. We've submitted the reports in this thread to our team, but be sure to continue submitting /bug reports if it continues.


This still makes little sense.

Does your enlightenment reset ever 3 days?
What is the cap about? I

Please gives us more details

thank you

Wylander

It's pretty simple.

You can Store up to 3 Days this buff.
If you don't play in these 3 Days you don't gain more.
At day 4 without gaining XP or Playing the game you still don't gain any more XP Bonus.
But you don't loose the stored one.

In numbers, every day 400k XP gain up to 1,2kk XP. At day 4 no more XP Bonus gain. So you loose 400k XP from day 4 on while not playing.

Kragorn

This isn't friendly to those of us with alts, it needs to be per-character or else it needs to be de-selectable.

Take this scrnario ...

1) I have a brand new VR1, he still easily gets XP simply by playing the game, doing quests, etc. Enlightenment is a complete waste for him.

2) I also have a VR5 who's already in a VR6 zone with barely 100k/1m, she needs all the help she can get to try to catch up.

With 'E' being account wide I'm forced to play the VR5 or lose the huge XP help 'E' gives, meaning my VR1 is likely to be camped permanently still in Coldharbour. If not per-character I need to be able to disable 'E' on the VR1.

If this is WAI then ZOS have designed it to be unfriendly to those who don't have a 'main' of any real significance.

Mantic0r3

Kragorn wrote: »

This isn't friendly to those of us with alts, it needs to be per-character or else it needs to be de-selectable.

Take this scrnario ...

1) I have a brand new VR1, he still easily gets XP simply by playing the game, doing quests, etc. Enlightenment is a complete waste for him.

2) I also have a VR5 who's already in a VR6 zone with barely 100k/1m, she needs all the help she can get to try to catch up.

With 'E' being account wide I'm forced to play the VR5 or lose the huge XP help 'E' gives, meaning my VR1 is likely to be camped permanently still in Coldharbour. If not per-character I need to be able to disable 'E' on the VR1.

If this is WAI then ZOS have designed it to be unfriendly to those who don't have a 'main' of any real significance.

Isnt enlightened only for cp? so in fact your vr1 would contribute much more easy to your level up in champion system than a vr14 would

also thats the reason enlightened is acc wide, because cs is

GOREKIN

Wylander wrote: »

It's pretty simple.

You can Store up to 3 Days this buff.
If you don't play in these 3 Days you don't gain more.
At day 4 without gaining XP or Playing the game you still don't gain any more XP Bonus.
But you don't loose the stored one.

In numbers, every day 400k XP gain up to 1,2kk XP. At day 4 no more XP Bonus gain. So you loose 400k XP from day 4 on while not playing.

That still makes no sense. Lets say I used all my 3 days experience buff. On day 4 do I get another 3 days experience buff?

myrrrorb14_ESO

Every night at midnight you get 400k points up to a maximum 1200k that can be stored. So after three days I will have maxed out and will not accumulate more.

If I play for an hour and use 100k, I will get 100k more at midnight since that would hit the max.

If I use 500k, I will get 400k at midnight, since that is the most you can get in one day.

GOREKIN

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

Every night at midnight you get 400k points up to a maximum 1200k that can be stored. So after three days I will have maxed out and will not accumulate more.

If I play for an hour and use 100k, I will get 100k more at midnight since that would hit the max.

If I use 500k, I will get 400k at midnight, since that is the most you can get in one day.

So when does it reset?

myrrrorb14_ESO

GOREKIN wrote: »

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

Every night at midnight you get 400k points up to a maximum 1200k that can be stored. So after three days I will have maxed out and will not accumulate more.

If I play for an hour and use 100k, I will get 100k more at midnight since that would hit the max.

If I use 500k, I will get 400k at midnight, since that is the most you can get in one day.

So when does it reset?

Not sure that I understand your specific question, but I will try and answer it.

It doesn't reset.

Think of it as they give you a carton that holds a dozen eggs. Every day they put 4 eggs into your carton, but they will never put more eggs in if they don't fit.

Now every day you can use as many eggs out of your carton as you want. And the eggs in your carton never go bad (taken away or reset).

Fruitdog

What if I'm allergic to eggs? WHAT THEN ZOS!

onlinegamer1

The easiest way to explain is with two examples, one where you play all the time, and one where you go on a vacation for a week.

Scenario 1: You play every single day
- Day 1: Your Enlightenment Pool earns 400,000 XP. You start playing. Every XP point you earn gives regular XP to your character and your skills, but counts as x4 towards the next Champion Point (i.e. moves the new, special, Champion XP bar 4 times as much.) And as this x4 multiplier is used, it deducts from the Enlightenment Pool until its empty. You gain 100,000 regular XP. This applies 400,000 XP (100k x4) to your Champion XP bar, and uses up all 400,000 Enlightenment XP. You now have 0 Enlightenment. If you keep playing today, you'll gain XP normally, and Champion XP normally (1 for 1)
- Day 2: Enlightenment Pool +400k. You earn 100k XP, which grants 400k Champion XP, and empties your Enlightenment Pool. If you keep playing today, you'll gain XP normally, and Champion XP normally (1 for 1)
- Day 3+: repeat Day 2 forever.

Scenario 2: You go on vacation for 7 days, then return and start playing every day
- Day 1-3: Your Enlightenment Pool gains +400k XP each day, until it is is sitting at 1.2 million XP (3 days worth of Enlightenment accumulation, which is the cap).
- Day 4-7: You are still on vacation. Enlightenment pool doesnt move or change (sits at 1.2 million)
- Day 8: You start playing. You earn 300,000 XP. This applies 1.2 million Champion XP (300k x4), and your Enlightenment Pool is now empty. If you keep playing today, you'll gain XP normally, and Champion XP normally (1 for 1)
- Day 9+: Same as Day 2 from Scenario 1.

danno8

Kragorn wrote: »

This isn't friendly to those of us with alts, it needs to be per-character or else it needs to be de-selectable.

Take this scrnario ...

1) I have a brand new VR1, he still easily gets XP simply by playing the game, doing quests, etc. Enlightenment is a complete waste for him.

2) I also have a VR5 who's already in a VR6 zone with barely 100k/1m, she needs all the help she can get to try to catch up.

With 'E' being account wide I'm forced to play the VR5 or lose the huge XP help 'E' gives, meaning my VR1 is likely to be camped permanently still in Coldharbour. If not per-character I need to be able to disable 'E' on the VR1.

If this is WAI then ZOS have designed it to be unfriendly to those who don't have a 'main' of any real significance.

I have a VR14 and a VR 11 and a VR5. I can honestly say that if you are completing all quests, dolmens, dungeons (including the public group ones) there seem to be no difference in the first few VR levels and the last few. All My VR characters ended at VR10.5 - VR11. I have to admit though that I also very rarely used "disguises" to bypass fighting mobs in those kinds of quests.

So from my perspective, it seems very alt friendly.

Wylander

Is it realy that hard to understand how this works? Can't belive it.

Pls don't make it more complicate than it is. It's not unfair or anything else.
Be happy, you have 3 Days time before you don't get any further XP Bonus to the CP System, to play the game.
So you don't need to play every day.
You don't get any Bonus to your Veteran RANK EXP!
It's only for Champion Points and nothing else. You don't level up faster threw the Veteran Content and Levels.
So in this case nothing changes to live version now.

Xeniph

Yup, fairly simple.

Enlightenment is only for CP exp.

Only accrues if you are offline

400k per 24 hours to a max of 1.2 mill.

Can be used by any V1+ toon on your account.

That's it.

MissBizz

Xeniph wrote: »

Yup, fairly simple.

Enlightenment is only for CP exp.

Only accrues if you are offline

400k per 24 hours to a max of 1.2 mill.

Can be used by any V1+ toon on your account.

That's it.

Only accrues if you are offline? That seem contradictory to other statements in this thread.

It seems I get it either way, on or offline. Its just that if I'm online more I am likely to use up my daily allotment and therefore sometimes gain cp xp at a normal rate. If I play less (or gain xp less, not necessarily offline) I will likely always be enlightened solely due to the fact I don't use up more than I received every day.
Am I correct?

Jaerlach

Kragorn wrote: »

This isn't friendly to those of us with alts, it needs to be per-character or else it needs to be de-selectable.

Take this scrnario ...

1) I have a brand new VR1, he still easily gets XP simply by playing the game, doing quests, etc. Enlightenment is a complete waste for him.

2) I also have a VR5 who's already in a VR6 zone with barely 100k/1m, she needs all the help she can get to try to catch up.

With 'E' being account wide I'm forced to play the VR5 or lose the huge XP help 'E' gives, meaning my VR1 is likely to be camped permanently still in Coldharbour. If not per-character I need to be able to disable 'E' on the VR1.

If this is WAI then ZOS have designed it to be unfriendly to those who don't have a 'main' of any real significance.

Enlightenment only helps you gain champion points.

It won't make your V5 level faster.

You simply gain exp towards champion points 4x faster while active.

This helps people who are playing alts or have jobs keep up with people who are farming, as their offline time makes their CP gain 4x as fast.

Xeniph

MissBizz wrote: »

Xeniph wrote: »

Yup, fairly simple.

Enlightenment is only for CP exp.

Only accrues if you are offline

400k per 24 hours to a max of 1.2 mill.

Can be used by any V1+ toon on your account.

That's it.

Only accrues if you are offline? That seem contradictory to other statements in this thread.

It seems I get it either way, on or offline. Its just that if I'm online more I am likely to use up my daily allotment and therefore sometimes gain cp xp at a normal rate. If I play less (or gain xp less, not necessarily offline) I will likely always be enlightened solely due to the fact I don't use up more than I received every day.
Am I correct?

If you have played nearly any of the mmo's in the past few years.

Think of it as RESTED exp for CP's only.

And yes, it only accrues when your Vets are offline. Otherwise what would be the point?

myrrrorb14_ESO

Can't find the source. But it sounded like you do indeed gain the rested xp bonus (400k) once a day regardless of whether you log in or not. And then it banks up to 1200k as mentioned above.

Some of the earlier posts about the system mentioned gaining the bonus over time. Earning it for example when you are not logged in or playing a non-vet character.

They even mentioned earning enlightenment while doing activities on a vet character that do not earn xp. Crafting and what not.

My guess is they settled on the set amount because it was the simplest to impliment. You get 400k every day at midnight once you use it, it is gone. If you dont use it, it accumulates to a limit.

Everything is subject to change. Especially with something this big. Everything does point to it being just towards champion points though, which won't matter much once they remove them.

Rydik

Nice, with my gaming time I will get 1 cp per day

Kragorn

I had gained the impression 'E' boosts VR XP which, by definition also boosts XP towards CPs, thus it was 'rested XP'.

If indeed it only applies to CPs then my point is simply wrong, however I now expect I'll never reach VR10 as I'm already in the VR6 zone with less than 250k/1m into VR5.

onlinegamer1

onlinegamer1 wrote: »

The easiest way to explain is with two examples, one where you play all the time, and one where you go on a vacation for a week.

Scenario 1: You play every single day
- Day 1: Your Enlightenment Pool earns 400,000 XP. You start playing. Every XP point you earn gives regular XP to your character and your skills, but counts as x4 towards the next Champion Point (i.e. moves the new, special, Champion XP bar 4 times as much.) And as this x4 multiplier is used, it deducts from the Enlightenment Pool until its empty. You gain 100,000 regular XP. This applies 400,000 XP (100k x4) to your Champion XP bar, and uses up all 400,000 Enlightenment XP. You now have 0 Enlightenment. If you keep playing today, you'll gain XP normally, and Champion XP normally (1 for 1)
- Day 2: Enlightenment Pool +400k. You earn 100k XP, which grants 400k Champion XP, and empties your Enlightenment Pool. If you keep playing today, you'll gain XP normally, and Champion XP normally (1 for 1)
- Day 3+: repeat Day 2 forever.

Scenario 2: You go on vacation for 7 days, then return and start playing every day
- Day 1-3: Your Enlightenment Pool gains +400k XP each day, until it is is sitting at 1.2 million XP (3 days worth of Enlightenment accumulation, which is the cap).
- Day 4-7: You are still on vacation. Enlightenment pool doesnt move or change (sits at 1.2 million)
- Day 8: You start playing. You earn 300,000 XP. This applies 1.2 million Champion XP (300k x4), and your Enlightenment Pool is now empty. If you keep playing today, you'll gain XP normally, and Champion XP normally (1 for 1)
- Day 9+: Same as Day 2 from Scenario 1.

Please re-read this ^^.

Mantic0r3

Rydik wrote: »

Nice, with my gaming time I will get 1 cp per day

hey its just another 3530 days then!

myrrrorb14_ESO

Kragorn wrote: »

I had gained the impression 'E' boosts VR XP which, by definition also boosts XP towards CPs, thus it was 'rested XP'.

If indeed it only applies to CPs then my point is simply wrong, however I now expect I'll never reach VR10 as I'm already in the VR6 zone with less than 250k/1m into VR5.

Sounds like you are a bit behind on xp, but not too bad. Leveling up vet ranks isnt too bad. Sucks that they nerfed xp in some areas, but still not too bad.

You should get about one vet rank per zone. Hit the main quests, POIs, overland bosses, and dolmens. Pick up the quests near the main one. Get about 1-2 ranks per week with fairly casual play. Some people go crazy and will grind out about 1 per hour or two, but thats too much like work.

Snit

This is an excellent implementation of the "rested exp" mechanic, which has been around since MUD's. I think ZOS struck a nice compromise between the one-hour/ day player and the more hardcore sorts.

I'm still eager to see how players react, though, when they see that capping CP requires 1.4 billion exp. Even with the enlightened "get to click a point every day" bonus, those who are obsessive about 'finishing' a character are in for a cold splash of water once they do the math.

Personally, I like the endless progression model

myrrrorb14_ESO

Snit wrote: »

This is an excellent implementation of the "rested exp" mechanic, which has been around since MUD's. I think ZOS struck a nice compromise between the one-hour/ day player and the more hardcore sorts.

I'm still eager to see how players react, though, when they see that capping CP requires 1.4 billion exp. Even with the enlightened "get to click a point every day" bonus, those who are obsessive about 'finishing' a character are in for a cold splash of water once they do the math.

Personally, I like the endless progression model

Sadly, I`m sure someone will manage to max out in a couple months. I`ve already seen threads talking about maximizing the cp grind. And since it is such a huge difference in gameplay just between 70 and 360 cp, people will grind at least that far.

It is nice to have something to work towards though, so I think the change will be overall pretty good. Somehow I expect to see a lot of rework/rebalancing in the next few months.

Kingdinguhling

its not unfair to people with alts because all champion points are account wide .... Enlightenment only effects Champion points not lvling from 1-50 so if you switch characters to work on champion points on another character you will have the exact same amount of XP And number of champion points, just able to apply them within the Constellations differently..

Robocles

Simple answer: This system means if you want time spent to maximize CP earned, you don't play much. Thus, if you are playing your VR (or 50 level) chars, they have limited what you can get from it.

On the one hand, that means that those that play for LOTS more time will still always be at an advantage, it also means that their idea of saying a casual can use it to keep up is absurd. More account based doublespeak.

Tomg999

I like the fact that if you want to play your under-Lvl 50 alts, you don't have to feel like you are missing out on working towards CP. Otherwise it would factor into that decision. It also allows you to slow down a little with one's alts on the way to 50 if you wish, knowing if you spend a day or two reading the quest verbiage you are still making progress towards your Main's CP.

asteldian

Except an allotment per day doesn't really help close the gap between heavy and light players. If everyone gets 400k a day, then there is no gap closing involved which semi defeats the purpose. If anything, with a cap in place it is more likely a casual player doesn't use his fast enough and misses out meanwhile the hardcore player always uses his allotment so eventually the enlightenment works as a net gain for the player who plays more.

Mantic0r3

Someone who invests more time in one thing (ie ESO) will allways have an advantage over those who spent less time, and thats how it should be.

madangrypally

asteldian wrote: »

Except an allotment per day doesn't really help close the gap between heavy and light players. If everyone gets 400k a day, then there is no gap closing involved which semi defeats the purpose. If anything, with a cap in place it is more likely a casual player doesn't use his fast enough and misses out meanwhile the hardcore player always uses his allotment so eventually the enlightenment works as a net gain for the player who plays more.

I agree having 400k a day regardless of CP total. I feel this can be adjusted based on the players CP total against some type of average CP total on server.

Players with: (percent is of average server total).
0-49% can have an enlightenment bonus of 8x
50-99% can have an enlightenment bonus of 6x
100+% can have an enlightenment bonus of 4x

This allows newer players to "catch up" faster. Values above are just an example and it could be more complicated.

asteldian

Mantic0r3 wrote: »

Someone who invests more time in one thing (ie ESO) will allways have an advantage over those who spent less time, and thats how it should be.

I don't disagree, but historically in games Rested xp, whatever you want to call it, was there to allow players who play less at least keep up. This Enlightment seems weird as it does not do that, simply lets everyone get CP quicker.....which suggests more to an issue with CP xp requirement than anything.

If Enlightment does not help players who play less, but instead is given to everyone so that CP gaining is not so intolerable....then surely changing CP gain is a better solution