Costumes in cyrodiil. A plea.

olsborg

I think that costumes should be somewhat restricted in cyrodiil. With all the visual cues we already have to keep pvp competitive and reaction based, actually reacting and adapting to the visual cues ie also an oponents appearance/gear should also be in focus here, and if people in heavy or medium or whatever armor is wearing a weddingdress (not talking about the obvious immersionbreaker here either) how can you react and try to estimate the type of oponent you are going up against...?

I propose, all the heavy armor costumes are wearable for people in actually 5 or more heavy armor pieces, same for all the other armors and costumes. Only in cyrodiil.

Messy1

This is a good point.

One does simply not wage war in Cyrodil in a wedding dress . . .

Sacadon

Restrictions on costumes makes no sense and would remove the fun from guilds that selected a wedding dress costume as their heraldry. Just sayin.

How about they fix the lag first instead?

Sacadon

Actually, thinking of weddings makes me want to fight reaaaal bad . So I think you may NOT be seeing the bigger picture here. And it may be what finally gets the wife into Cyrodiil.

Seriously though, I would support having a toggle for those who had to see everything as it supposedly happens/ed for fake/real.

Whatever keeps the game alive an healthy is what I'm for and I'm just not seeing how restricting costumes helps that in the long run. But giving people the option to NOT see them sounds reasonable.... once they fix the lag.

dharbert

PvP'ers will cry about anything and everything....

Locke_ESO

I fully agree with op. Having people PvPing in wedding dresses or whatever is just going to make the game even less immersive. If the pvp game turns into red vs blue vs yellow with "funny" hats and costumes it's going to be pretty silly.

Maybe the best compromise would be a costumes /off /on option or something.

firstdecan

If you're in Cyrodiil and come across a man in a wedding dress, it may be a little late to wonder what you're up against.

olsborg

Frankly, the immersion issue here should be sufficient to make costumes more restricted in pvp. In pve I can opt to just ignore and stay away from people running around in weddingdresses or jokersuits (and I imagine it will be quite a few of those running around). In pvp you cant ignore people in the same manner because youre actually fighting against them. This is still a TES game, immersion is more a focus here then a simple "coolfactor".

Sacadon

olsborg wrote: »

Frankly, the immersion issue here should be sufficient to make costumes more restricted in pvp. In pve I can opt to just ignore and stay away from people running around in weddingdresses or jokersuits (and I imagine it will be quite a few of those running around). In pvp you cant ignore people in the same manner because youre actually fighting against them. This is still a TES game, immersion is more a focus here then a simple "coolfactor".

I do believe that ZOS does care about immersion for this game. If anything removing more visuals from PvP is more likely... seeing as how they've not addressed the lag for a long time now and have resorted to removing torch bugs and deer among other bandaids.

Sacadon

In terms of immersion, is there any concerns regarding PvPers fighting w/out any armor? If so then you probably need to include that in your request since a few of them fight naked. Although since it's only a few it may not matter as much to you as an entire guild wearing a wedding dress.

AlnilamE

As opposed to entire guilds running around in Skeleton costumes? Or Goblins?

Rioht

I am completely against wedding dresses and other joke costumes being worn in cyrodil.

Personally I think it destroys the immersion where someone can have full heavy armor, but appear to be wearing a dress? Wtf

Costumes such as wedding dresses', jester outfits, chefs/blacksmith etc should replace armor not mask it. These make no sense. I understand the other ones where the costume actually has, you know, armor? But not clothing ones.

This game is going to be one more step to adding pandas and unicorns where everyone runs around shooting rainbows and lighting farts.

BBSooner

Is a heavily armed nord male in a wedding dress running around in Cyrodiil somehow more ridiculous than a heavily armed nord male in a wedding dress tanking in SO? If a costume is bought with real money there should be no restrictions on where you can wear it, that goes for the armor costumes and the wedding dress/jester alike.

Soulshine

In LotrO where your cosmetic outfit is a visible overlay covering armor, it is only visible in PvE. All outfits are disabled in PvP zone. Seems to work well.

Kragorn

dharbert wrote: »

PvP'ers will cry about anything and everything....

There's a good reason several MMOs disable 'cosmetic' gear in their PVP content one way or another.

Goldie

Give me a break here... Costumes and such are what set your character apart from others, removing this option in Cyrodiil just so YOU can tell what kind of armor they are wearing to better judge if you should engage them or not isn't going to happen.

Close Thread.

Gidorick

Sacadon wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Frankly, the immersion issue here should be sufficient to make costumes more restricted in pvp. In pve I can opt to just ignore and stay away from people running around in weddingdresses or jokersuits (and I imagine it will be quite a few of those running around). In pvp you cant ignore people in the same manner because youre actually fighting against them. This is still a TES game, immersion is more a focus here then a simple "coolfactor".

I do believe that ZOS does care about immersion for this game. If anything removing more visuals from PvP is more likely... seeing as how they've not addressed the lag for a long time now and have resorted to removing torch bugs and deer among other bandaids.

Lore and immersion are BOTH tertiary to gameplay and monetization.

Lord_Draevan

Logically they must also add a wedding tuxedo or something like that, then we have a brides vs grooms battle!

Roechacca

Another ZOS quality in game content option .

Kalman

Well ZOS did already say that there were going to be no restrictions on where you could wear the costumes. They have been known to change their minds mid stroke and go the other way tho (that is a swimming reference you perverts).

I don't really care either way. I see both points of view and they both have valid arguments. I remember back in DAOC we would try to dye armor and wear things so you couldn't easily tell what type of armor/class from a distance (esp if you a healer class). Just easier with the costumes.

Also wouldn't you pee just a little if you saw a huge army of clowns (Royal Court Jester) running toward you?

Snit

In 1.6, here is how you can tell if you're facing a magicka-based light armor wearer: They have a staff.

Hybrids are dead in 1.6, so all you need to see is the weapon to tell what you're facing. Bow = medium armor. Melee weapons = medium or medium/ heavy mix. Staff = light, perhaps with two pieces of heavy.

There will be a few exceptions, but not enough to worry about.

Snit

Kalman wrote: »

Also wouldn't you pee just a little if you saw a huge army of clowns (Royal Court Jester) running toward you?

Serious nightmare potential And you can be sure that some guild will do this.

Lykurgis

It's been mentioned on these forums (by me and others) several times that PvP is predicted to be what you see in the pic above, a zerg of jesters (and probably wedding dresses) as soon as this goes live.

So get ready to never see anything but lame trolling costumes in pvp and enjoy your immersion lol.

NukeAllTheThings

The fact that it bothers people that costumes will be worn in PVP makes we want to wear them even more. Doing pushups on a corpse while wearing a wedding dress will make salty tears delicious

Karmine

Immersion this and immersion that.....

I think immersion is more important in PvE than in PvP.
I play Aldmerian Dominion so I am Agent of the Queen. I am doing business with another Agent and then ten Draugr walk past me, one is jumping in circle and they are all friendlies and they far from Skyrim.

If you want immersion, stay dead after you die and you shouldn't be able to repair a damage to a keep in one hour.

SanderBuraas

If people want to wear costumes or colourful armour, they have the right to do so. Simply because you don't want to see the variety in style preference, doesn't mean costumes should be disabled. Your excuse that it breaks immersion is priceless. In a multiplayer game, you don't get to decide how other people choose to dress their characters.

Giraffon

At first I was with the OP, but as I think about it, I think costumes in PvP would be okay. As it is, you can't really tell what you are dealing with. I could be wearing a light robe and have all other pieces be heavy armor and it would be hard to tell in the heat of combat.

The best idea I have for this is to nerf stamina and magica by a nominal percentage - maybe 2% if you are wearing anything besides a tabard in PvP. The idea is that it would interfere with your movement as you are wearing it over the top of whatever armor you already have on.

VisceralMonkey

They don't care about cheating, macros or horrible addons. They certainly are not going to care about this.

Besides, I find the costumes funny. The rest, not so much.

AaronMB

Yet another thread on this?

Smepic wrote: »

If people want to wear costumes or colourful armour, they have the right to do so. Simply because you don't want to see the variety in style preference, doesn't mean costumes should be disabled. Your excuse that it breaks immersion is priceless. In a multiplayer game, you don't get to decide how other people choose to dress their characters.

Well said.

Something to think about: the longer ZOS is satisfied with the 'success' of the Crown Store the longer it will--hopefully--be before they throw in the truly "P2W" items. The more people buying those costumes, the better for everyone.

Drazhar14

I think you should be able to wear costumes that only appear on your screen. To other players, you should appear in your normal (light/medium/heavy) gear.

Rev Rielle

I think it is no worse than people running about as skeletons. or goblins.