Will ESO become too casual?

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO

After reading a lot of stuff recently this concern started to bug me.

Lets say the console release is a success (and I think it will), we all know that console players have a more casual approach to games like this and they are likely to want different stuff than PC players. That can make ZoS take console opinions over PC because it only makes sense to please their biggest public.

Do you guys think the game may become too casual?
For example, instead of releasing a new set of Trials, harder than the ones we have, they would rather release a new zone, with new quests, delves...

As an MMO player, more than a Elder Scrolls player to say this concerns me. I play since launch, I level up fast to get to end game and if there is nothing there, then I have no interest anymore.

What do you guys think? I wanna see perspectives of more casual and more hardcore players.

Gyudan

Yes, it will be more casual if no new competitive content is released in the next 6 months.

nerevarine1138

Casuals are the overwhelming majority of the playerbase. And ESO is already fighting the "rush to endgame" model of play. Hopefully, that trend continues, and if the new content is mostly scaled, it would be a step down that path.

Azarul

I'm not sure the game can get more casual to be honest.

ferdiverbeekeb17_ESO2

Why are console players more casual? That's an insult.

The raids on Destiny are pretty hard and the players like them very much. If there were no competitive raids, there would be much less players.

There should definitely create challenging content.

Elsonso

What does "casual" mean in this thread?

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO

lordrichter wrote: »

What does "casual" mean in this thread?

Oversimplifying it: prefer more content than harder/more challenging content (casual x hardcore)

Joejudas

Pandering to casuals and ignoring hardcore PvE and PvP players is what will kill this game and it sucks

DDuke

ferdiverbeekeb17_ESO2 wrote: »

Why are console players more casual? That's an insult.

The raids on Destiny are pretty hard and the players like them very much. If there were no competitive raids, there would be much less players.

There should definitely create challenging content.

This.

If they fail to create difficult content that most player base struggles to finish, what hooks are there to keep players playing, when they have completed everything?

Number one thing that keeps players around is the sense that there's still something you haven't done, or haven't seen even.
That sense of a challenge & progression that is ahead, games need that.

ferdiverbeekeb17_ESO2

Are the trials challenge? Or what is? Currently I mean. I don't play yet, so...

Elsonso

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

What does "casual" mean in this thread?

Oversimplifying it: prefer more content than harder content

Ok. Simple answer is Yes.

ESO seems to be heavily populated by the "solo MMO" player. They will prefer casual to harder content. The latter is more the domain of group players.

WraithAzraiel

Yea if they break this game down Barney-style, I'm raising hell.

nerevarine1138

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

What does "casual" mean in this thread?

Oversimplifying it: prefer more content than harder/more challenging content (casual x hardcore)

Oh, then that was your mistake, OP.

Casual just means players that don't prioritize gaming over everything else. Doesn't mean they don't like challenging content.

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

What does "casual" mean in this thread?

Oversimplifying it: prefer more content than harder/more challenging content (casual x hardcore)

Oh, then that was your mistake, OP.

Casual just means players that don't prioritize gaming over everything else. Doesn't mean they don't like challenging content.

I said "casual approach".

nerevarine1138

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

What does "casual" mean in this thread?

Oversimplifying it: prefer more content than harder/more challenging content (casual x hardcore)

Oh, then that was your mistake, OP.

Casual just means players that don't prioritize gaming over everything else. Doesn't mean they don't like challenging content.

I said "casual approach".

And that isn't the approach casuals take to this game. We enjoy a challenge and good content as much as any "hardcore" player.

Joejudas

An example of what the OP is talking about is :
1.6 nerfs all the best end game raid armor and then makes SO easier than AA. They did that on the 1.6 PTS

Bloodfang

MMOs are generally the most dumbed down games anyway.
Sure there are raids and all that crap, but there is only so little players which like doing that daily, hell even weekly. A big majority don't give a damn about raids and actually hate them.

Joejudas

Bloodfang wrote: »

MMOs are generally the most dumbed down games anyway.
Sure there are raids and all that crap, but there is only so little players which like doing that daily, hell even weekly. A big majority don't give a damn about raids and actually hate them.

So ZOS should just ignore us ?

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO

nerevarine1138 wrote: »

And that isn't the approach casuals take to this game. We enjoy a challenge and good content as much as any "hardcore" player.

Im not saying you (more casuals) don't enjoy challenges, I'm saying it doesn't bug you as much as a hardcore player. It wouldn't make you leave the game, lets say.

Bloodfang

Joejudas wrote: »

Bloodfang wrote: »

MMOs are generally the most dumbed down games anyway.
Sure there are raids and all that crap, but there is only so little players which like doing that daily, hell even weekly. A big majority don't give a damn about raids and actually hate them.

So ZOS should just ignore us ?

As in "You", you mean the endgame playerbase?

Joejudas

Yeah that's exactly who I mean. The people who played for 10 months and put in 1000 hours.

SteveCampsOut

Yes they should ignore the people who skipped all the content they worked months and months to create simply to reach this mythical end game beast that doesn't exist. You're not playing the game they made, why should they cater to you?

Joejudas

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Yes they should ignore the people who skipped all the content they worked months and months to create simply to reach this mythical end game beast that doesn't exist. You're not playing the game they made, why should they cater to you?

And catering the the people who only made it to level 38 since launch and haven't played the entire vet zone they created is any better ? Hardcore players run the PvP and PvE raids and guilds you enjoy. Push us all out and see how quickly this tanks.

AriBoh

Joejudas wrote: »

Pandering to casuals and ignoring hardcore PvE and PvP players is what will kill this game and it sucks

Pandering to hardcore PvE and PvP players and ignoring casuals will cause this game to bleed even more subs and cash shop spenders and kill it just as fast.

SteveCampsOut

Joejudas wrote: »

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Yes they should ignore the people who skipped all the content they worked months and months to create simply to reach this mythical end game beast that doesn't exist. You're not playing the game they made, why should they cater to you?

And catering the the people who only made it to level 38 since launch and haven't played the entire vet zone they created is any better ? Hardcore players run the PvP and PvE raids and guilds you enjoy. Push us all out and see how quickly this tanks.

No they don't! You don't know a thing about the guilds that I enjoy! Nor do you know what type of PvP I enjoy! I haven't done a single "Raid" in this game and I'm perfectly happy without the stress. So dream on little dreamer. This game has already proven itself to be the Casual Gamer's home.

Bloodfang

Joejudas wrote: »

Yeah that's exactly who I mean. The people who played for 10 months and put in 1000 hours.

I don't want to be mean, but why do you think casuals weren't paying for 10 months? Sure they didn't put in 1000 hours, but nobody is paying per hour right?
If anything I'd say Casuals actually play longer than the elitists, simply because they need way more time to hit the max level, while the elitists hit the max level in a day and then whine about the lack of content after 1 week-month.
I hit my first VR14 just a few days ago and I've played for about 800 hours, I don't regret it one bit playing slowly.

If anything why does the "Endgame" 1% Playerbase deserve more content? You got 3 Veteran Dungeons, 3 Trials, Arena Normal + Hardmode. Whole Zone(Craglorn). Hell even WoW doesn't release "Endgame" Content that fast..
(They are just releasing the 2nd raid which should've been in at launch anyway, they won't see the third one until the end of the year -> you know like 1 year after the expansion got released.)

Now if you are into PvP endgame I would understand your concerns more, but if you are into PvE endgame than I really don't. So let me ask you again, why do you deserve more content than Casuals? What did Casuals get in these 10+ months anyway? Improved lighting, dyes maybe lol? I'll tell you what, absolutely nothing, zero content for the Casuals. I'd say the Justice System might be the first Content released for solo players.

If you want ESO to succeed rather pray they release more content aimed at Casuals / Solo players. If casuals leave, everything that is left = Dead Game.

xMovingTarget

SteveCampsOut wrote: »

Yes they should ignore the people who skipped all the content they worked months and months to create simply to reach this mythical end game beast that doesn't exist. You're not playing the game they made, why should they cater to you?

I never read more BS in this forum. I play since headstart, did ALL the quests, all the content in the game. And i am a hardcore end game player. I did skip nothing.


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Rev Rielle

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »

Lets say the console release is a success (and I think it will), we all know that console players have a more casual approach to games like this and they are likely to want different stuff than PC players. That can make ZoS take console opinions over PC because it only makes sense to please their biggest public.

I believe this assumption you've made is quite wrong. There's been no specific evidence for this at all, and others have actually provided examples to the contrary.

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »

As an MMO player, more than a Elder Scrolls player to say this concerns me. I play since launch, I level up fast to get to end game and if there is nothing there, then I have no interest anymore.

People that play in this way, are almost always missing out on the vast majority of a games content. It's commonly known that these types of players are often the ones that complain there's nothing to do once they've rushed past the game's content. Personally I think you should be more worried about how you play the game rather than blaming others and the game itself, especially in lieu of your concerns you've voiced.

Finally, casual and hardcore, are one of the most misunderstood and misused terms that float around on any forum. They're generally used as horrendously simplified stereotypes to try and split the player base into two very broad sections. As such they have almost no meaning or relevance at all to what the players playing the game are actually like, actually want, or actually enjoy.

Tandor

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »

Do you guys think the game may become too casual?
For example, instead of releasing a new set of Trials, harder than the ones we have, they would rather release a new zone, with new quests, delves...

As an MMO player, more than a Elder Scrolls player to say this concerns me. I play since launch, I level up fast to get to end game and if there is nothing there, then I have no interest anymore.

What do you guys think? I wanna see perspectives of more casual and more hardcore players.

Players who obsess about rushing to endgame in MMOs should have realised by now that their reward will inevitably be disappointment at the lack of lasting content when they get there. Developers can never release more content in time for them, and simply making existing content harder or adding harder versions of existing content will neither take them any longer to reach their chosen destination nor provide much in the way of additional entertainment when they arrive.

In contrast, those who focus on the journey rather than the destination tend to proceed at a pace that means they will not easily run out of content. I've played most MMOs since 1998 and have never once run out of content, expansions and updates have always come out before I'm ready for them. Also, by not concentrating solely on a single character or a single game I have kept my games fresh so that I have never burnt out on a game.

Not everyone wants to play MMOs my way, not by a long chalk, but a good many do and they are least likely to be the ones complaining the whole time about a game as so many of the issues have been resolved by the time they reach them. So to answer the OP's question, I would personally far rather the developers released a new zone with additional quests etc than a harder set of Trials. However, that's just a personal observation, and others will doubtless prefer it the other way. The problem for developers is trying to meet both objectives and keep everyone happy.

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO

The question isn't really about the lack of end game content, but, since you brought that up when was the last time we got something really new? September?

I mean, even someone who "enjoys the content" should be running out of things to do by now.

But again that is not my point. If they manage to please both niches, great! But being a more """ hardcore""" player I'm concerned if the content update focus will change in the future. Again, I haven't said that I'm not happy with the game at all.

xMovingTarget

rsiloliveiraub17_ESO wrote: »

The question isn't really about the lack of end game content, but, since you brought that up when was the last time we got something really new? September?

I mean, even someone who "enjoys the content" should be running out of things to do by now.

But again that is not my point. If they manage to please both niches, great! But being a more """ hardcore""" player I'm concerned if the content update focus will change in the future. Again, I haven't said that I'm not happy with the game at all.

Me neither mate. The trials get old very quick. Since they are to small and to fast done without decent reward.