Champion System - Comprehensive Chart for PVE

Gyudan · February 2015

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ESO 1.6.1 - 09/02/15

How to read it:

Columns:

Constellations: 3 for each of the 3 Guardians (Warrior, Thief, Mage). You have to put roughly the same amount of points into each Guardian's constellations.
Ability: The first 4 of each constellation (darker color) are the passive abilities in which you can put champion points. the last 4 (lighter color) are unlocked by having 10, 30, 75 or 120 points into that constellation.
Description: ability tooltip as it is written in game.
Effectiveness of each ability for Magicka DPS, Stamina DPS, Healer and Tank respectively.
Comment if explications are needed

Ratings:

0 stars: useless for said role
1 star: may be considered
2 stars: decent choice
3 stars: solid choice
4 stars: very good choice
4 red stars: take it!

Feedback for @ZOS_MariaAliprando

Warrior Constellations

The Passives in which we get to spend points seem mostly useless for Magicka DPS, Stamina DPS and healers. They offer decent options after spending X points into a specific constellation but it's quite hard to decide where to put points among so many bad options.
Tanks have many good choices available.
Spell absorption: this seems very strong against boss unavoidable AOE in trials (Mantikora and Stone Atronach stomps for example).
Nourishing: Increasing the effectiveness of only health potions seems a bit useless for DPS and Healers. Why not also stamina/magicka with a reduced rate ?
Shield expert tooltip isn't very clear. It should specify that it affects the shield equipped by the player and not his spell shield (unless I got it wrong).
Suggestion: change one of the passives to Short Temper: Increases damage dealth by [x] % for 15 seconds after being resurrected. (could be in remplacement of "Spell Shield", that would be moved to the Mage)
Suggestion: switch "Thick Skinned" and "Nourishing" between the Lady and the Lord to let DPS/Healers put points into 2 different constellations instead of just one.

Thief constellations

This area seems very balanced. Every role can find useful abilities, mostly cost reduction and increased regeneration.
Non combat-related passives: Having all of them in one single tree seems a bit wrong.
Master gatherer: I haven't tested it but it seems a bit overpowered, especially since it can be used by a character that never goes into battle. (reduces gathering time by 50%)

Mage constellations

This is the opposite of the Warrior: there are many great abilities for DPS/Healers but the tanks can't really pick anything interesting.
Atronach: I don't really like the repartition of weapons, since it leaves the bow alone. I'd suggest 1) Heavy weapon expert (Greatsword, Maul, Battleaxe), 2) Assassination expert (Bow and dagger), 3) Dueling expert (Sword, Mace, Axe), 4 Staff expert (Destros and Resto staves) [need a better name instead of assassination]
Spell Precision and Exploiter seem extremely strong compared to other passives. Nerf pls. Some players have raised concerns about a huge gap between players with 89 and 90CPs because of those abilities.
Spell erosion and piercing: I've read very bad feedbacks about this (supposedly useless) passive but haven't tested it myself.
Last stand: does this stack with the ultimate generated by the buff triggered by light attacks? It seems a bit strange if it doesn't.
Suggestion: remove spell erosion and replace it with spell shield from the Steed, this would give tanks interesting options in the Mage.
Suggestion: remove piercing and replace it with something linked to physical damage reduction (not necessarily % armor increase) for the same reason.

Let me know if you notice any mistake or disagree about something specific.

Faugaun · February 2015

Thanks for putting this together I will be printing poster sized laminated versions and selling for $5 each.

Hey, don't judge I cites op as the source and plus I need a way to afford all these cool things in the crown shop!!!

frould · February 2015

Your suggestion is invalid Warrior is for tank they will not make it increases damage ,Mage is for damage they will not make it reduce damage.

Gyudan · February 2015

frould wrote: »

Your suggestion is invalid Warrior is for tank they will not make it increases damage ,Mage is for damage they will not make it reduce damage.

I agree that the Warrior should focus on Health, but it should also include abilities that can be useful to DPS and Healers, not just tanks. Increasing all stats recovered from potions instead of just health would be a good fit imo.
I think that increased spell resistance would fit in the Mage tree as well.

Ysne58 · February 2015

That chart is really nicely laid out. Not sure I 100% agree with usefulness of the choices but just having that is really helpful.

helediron · February 2015

Excellent work, thank you!
ZOS, could we have templates with several hundred CP to go and test those upper passives?

Bouvin · February 2015

Excellent work.

Also, I've done some work on how much each CP in each tree ads to Health Magicka Stamina.

I'm going to post it here if that's okay (if not plz message me and I'll remove). I like have resources all in one spot

I tested it on several character combos to make sure the %s were the same (they are) here is how much you get for each CP invested.

Edit: Click on images to make big.

Also here is a char showing the diminishing returns. Looks like the equation is just a "log" but I don't know the exact equation (no matlab at home).

Top graph shows the %increase health for each CP put into a red constellation.

Bottom is the total gain for that many CP from base health.

DDuke · February 2015

Feedback on Ritual passives:
I'd give Precise Strikes, Piercing & the "Weapon Expert" passives only three stars, or "must have" red stars for Mighty.

Having a flat out 1% damage is much better than 1% armour piercing or 1% critical strike damage (1% more base damage=1.5-1.7% more Critical Strike damage, depending on opponent's Impenetrable etc values).

ZOS could do a better job in my opinion at making these choices more attractive when comparing with the "Mighty" passive, especially since they scale in pretty much exact same manner (1% on first point->0,5% on second->0,4% on third etc)

Same thing with the "Weapon Expert" passives, Mighty applies to them as well (Physical damage), so it's such a no-brainer to put points into it instead.

Faugaun · February 2015

Bouvin wrote: »

Excellent work.

Also, I've done some work on how much each CP in each tree ads to Health Magicka Stamina.

I'm going to post it here if that's okay (if not plz message me and I'll remove). I like have resources all in one spot

I tested it on several character combos to make sure the %s were the same (they are) here is how much you get for each CP invested.

Edit: Click on images to make big.

Also here is a char showing the diminishing returns. Looks like the equation is just a "log" but I don't know the exact equation (no matlab at home).

Top graph shows the %increase health for each CP put into a red constellation.

Bottom is the total gain for that many CP from base health.

Hey if you can link the actual spreadsheet I can try to derive the magic formula this afternoon???

Bouvin · February 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

Bouvin wrote: »

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Hey if you can link the actual spreadsheet I can try to derive the magic formula this afternoon???

Here you go https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/101724722/CP%20Stat%20Increases.xlsx

To note: I noticed small variations of the % increases if I had points in stats or not. I think it's just due to rounding error because they don't award partial points (or you can't see the partial in the UI).

Thank you for offering to derive the equation!

Lonesniper · February 2015

Just wanted to add that the heavy/medium/light armor seem to not work at the moment as found out here.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/150366/bug-armor-focus-perks-in-the-new-champion-system

Faugaun · February 2015

Sorry the labels were not added ...

Bottom axis in all four graphs is the skill points put into the stat.

The blue lines are the actual data.

The black lines are the formula plotted and overplayed.

The top two graphs have an r-squared of 1 for the available data indicating a perfect match.

All graphs are extended to 123 CP put into the stat (max currently is 100)

The top two graphs the left column is the increase over base so a 0.05 would be 5% over base.

On the bottom two graphs the accuracy is not perfect (haven't figured out why yet) but the left number indicates the raw % increase that a point will add to the current value.

Most players will gain the most benefit from the correct formlas in the first two graphs.

Bascially someone with the full points in will have about 13% better stats than someone with no points. (Pretty substantial IMHO)

Faugaun · February 2015

Hopefully that makes sense??? Sorry I'm on my tablet if needed I can come back later and try to clarify? Or someone else who isn't mobile can?

DeLindsay · February 2015

Dude... Sweet.

ashlee17 · February 2015

Thanks for your hard work. Awesome chart and very interesting thread

Thanks for sharing

Wolfsspinne · February 2015

@Gyudan‌
Great job, keep it up.

As for Thaumaturge with stamina DPS:
I think this deserves an additional star.
Not only does it affect all the fighters guild skills but also does it affect all Ultimates (accessible for NB).
After all it's far more useful than Piercing.

Gyudan · February 2015

I made a few changes to the ratings based on your comments.

Faugaun · February 2015

OK I simplified the above blah blah blah post with all the graphs so now you can ignore the graphs and use the calculators to get exact values (hopefully).

Please see if they match the results that you get on pts.

http://asolutionaday.com/general/elder-scrolls-online-health-calculator-lord-tree-champion/

http://asolutionaday.com/elder-scrolls-calculators/elder-scrolls-online-stamina-calculator-tower-tree-champion/

http://asolutionaday.com/elder-scrolls-calculators/elder-scrolls-online-magicka-calculator-apprentice-tree-champion/

Tyr · February 2015

Faugaun wrote: »

Sorry the labels were not added ...

Bottom axis in all four graphs is the skill points put into the stat.

The blue lines are the actual data.

The black lines are the formula plotted and overplayed.

The top two graphs have an r-squared of 1 for the available data indicating a perfect match.

All graphs are extended to 123 CP put into the stat (max currently is 100)

The top two graphs the left column is the increase over base so a 0.05 would be 5% over base.

On the bottom two graphs the accuracy is not perfect (haven't figured out why yet) but the left number indicates the raw % increase that a point will add to the current value.

Most players will gain the most benefit from the correct formlas in the first two graphs.

Bascially someone with the full points in will have about 13% better stats than someone with no points. (Pretty substantial IMHO)

It's 100 points per star not per group of constellations. The max CP for each stat is 1200.
That's a 54% increase for stam/maj and 55% for health.

Faugaun · February 2015

@Tyr it is being examined that all trees within a color provide identical benefit or not if it is indeed 1200 you can calculate that at the links in my previous post fairly simply they should be accurate no matter how high you go.

Kupoking · March 2015

The chart is nice and useful.

The star rating makes me laugh...