I don't think you understand the sense in which "paygate" is used in such discussions. It's not used in the "Watergate" sense (which is what I believe you are referring to: taking a buzzword and adding "gate" to the end of it to indicate a scandal, which makes no bloody sense anyway, since Watergate was only Watergate because that was the name of the hotel where it happened).Never use a buzz word combined with the word "gate". That's just terrible for everyone and ruins the quality of the world like a stain on the soul.
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WraithAzraiel wrote: »Are you typing from a phone or trying to leave us a code?
frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »
rawne1980b16_ESO wrote: »It is a good thing.
It will bring in more players.
The people that seem to think having about a years experience in a game makes them an ESO god are so delusional it's ridiculous. New players will catch them up in no time, it's not exactly a hard game to learn.
3 way PvP isn't new, it started in DAoC which a lot of folk have played at some point and then appeared in GW2. Pretty sure some folk buying on console or new PC players will know what they are doing.
Even if they haven't played one of those, Cyrodiil is about as basic as it comes for PvP. Takes a few hours to pick it all up at most. Same with the actual game.
MMO's have been around since 1996, at one time or another a hell of a lot of folk have played one or more. They won't exactly have a hard time learning this game.
As for people complaining, nothing we can do about that. Don't try using logic against them it will just confuse them.
If they keep their sub, DLC is free, if they drop their sub they will have to pay for it. Not hard to understand but some people can't seem to grasp it.
Way I look at it is, if people like that can manage to play this game ... anybody can.
ShadowDisciple wrote: »Can anyone explain why ppl are angry about the DLC being purchased for cash when they dont have to pay 15$ sub anymore...and on top of that if u pay monthly DLC wil be free to you...
Imo B2P if it doesent turn into P2W is a great thing f or ESO....
ShadowDisciple wrote: »I also saw ppl sayin that in C yrodill all those " noobs" wont work tog ether....IMO they can be used as a diversion or increased f irepower along with your properly funtioning group...
Am i a f ool t o think B2P i only g ood f or the ga me
ShadowDisciple wrote: »...
Imo B2P if it doesent turn into P2W is a great thing f or ESO....
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If ZOS follow Trion's example the odds are pretty good I'd say from my own personal experience.ShadowDisciple wrote: »...
Imo B2P if it doesent turn into P2W is a great thing f or ESO....
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And how much chance of that is there, in your opinion?
ShadowDisciple wrote: »...
Imo B2P if it doesent turn into P2W is a great thing f or ESO....
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And how much chance of that is there, in your opinion?
ShadowDisciple wrote: »Can anyone explain why ppl are angry about the DLC being purchased for cash when they dont have to pay 15$ sub anymore...and on top of that if u pay monthly DLC wil be free to you...
Imo B2P if it doesent turn into P2W is a great thing f or ESO....
I also saw ppl sayin that in C yrodill all those " noobs" wont work tog ether....IMO they can be used as a diversion or increased f irepower along with your properly funtioning group...
Am i a f ool t o think B2P i only g ood f or the ga me
"At ESO however and obviously other F2P games you only rent content with your sub and this is at least for me new and also weird."
This game is not going to be F2P! Is it so hard to understand?
I just hate it when people go around yelling "ESO IS GOINT TO F2P!" when that is actually not true. If you behave like a donkey and get your account banned, you have to buy the game all over again. You cannot just "make a new account"...
Please people, try to understand difference between F2P ja B2P. Is GW2 F2P? No. ESO will not be F2P either.
NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShadowDisciple wrote: »Can anyone explain why ppl are angry about the DLC being purchased for cash when they dont have to pay 15$ sub anymore...and on top of that if u pay monthly DLC wil be free to you...
Imo B2P if it doesent turn into P2W is a great thing f or ESO....
I also saw ppl sayin that in C yrodill all those " noobs" wont work tog ether....IMO they can be used as a diversion or increased f irepower along with your properly funtioning group...
Am i a f ool t o think B2P i only g ood f or the ga me
Stay a while and listen....(in my Decard Cain voice)
The forum for this game seems to be full of "elitist" mindsets and somehow a person who has paid a subscription now feel like others are not welcome in "their" community or game.
I for one feel as you comment and decided to come back after the announcement. I left for other reasons relating to bugs and error crashes in the past. A lot of the attitude still exists and this was even true with games like WoW. There seems to be a lot of good with this move and this community which is comprised of PC players and some console players like myself will evolve.
My hope is that this group is overshadowed by returning players and new players who are fun, welcoming and here to enjoy the game. As the new accounts are formed and old accounts return the in-game experience will drastically differ. The elitist mindset will still exist but it's almost like the 1970's in America when integration was announced.
Its not everyone and possibly just a very small group who is making a lot of noise. We are all better together...
If ZOS follow Trion's example the odds are pretty good I'd say from my own personal experience.ShadowDisciple wrote: »...
Imo B2P if it doesent turn into P2W is a great thing f or ESO....
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And how much chance of that is there, in your opinion?
ShadowDisciple wrote: »ShadowDisciple wrote: »...
Imo B2P if it doesent turn into P2W is a great thing f or ESO....
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And how much chance of that is there, in your opinion?
Fairly big chance...because players hate P2W and in this type of game that can mean the games demise
frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »@Dave2836
ESO is a game full of potential.....
Did you not see the thread yesterday from the guy who wanted separate instances for subscribers to stay separated from the free players, or the many posts over the last couple of weeks from people who want some visual indicators in game showing players' payment status so they could discriminate accordingly, or the guildmaster who asked for an indicator in the guild roster so he could kick non subscribers out? Those are just a few examples of elitism I've seen lately.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »Where are people picking up all this "elitism" nonesense?
f2p/b2p games become bad, they have revenue losses and become p2w.
That's all there is. No one thinks they are better for paying a measly $15 a month.
Did you not see the thread yesterday from the guy who wanted separate instances for subscribers to stay separated from the free players, or the many posts over the last couple of weeks from people who want some visual indicators in game showing players' payment status so they could discriminate accordingly, or the guildmaster who asked for an indicator in the guild roster so he could kick non subscribers out? Those are just a few examples of elitism I've seen lately.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »Where are people picking up all this "elitism" nonesense?
f2p/b2p games become bad, they have revenue losses and become p2w.
That's all there is. No one thinks they are better for paying a measly $15 a month.
Now the quality of B2p/F2p games is a completely different issue and is a cause for concern if it's done like other companies have done it.
Did you not see the thread yesterday from the guy who wanted separate instances for subscribers to stay separated from the free players, or the many posts over the last couple of weeks from people who want some visual indicators in game showing players' payment status so they could discriminate accordingly, or the guildmaster who asked for an indicator in the guild roster so he could kick non subscribers out? Those are just a few examples of elitism I've seen lately.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »Where are people picking up all this "elitism" nonesense?
f2p/b2p games become bad, they have revenue losses and become p2w.
That's all there is. No one thinks they are better for paying a measly $15 a month.
Now the quality of B2p/F2p games is a completely different issue and is a cause for concern if it's done like other companies have done it.
Did you not see the thread yesterday from the guy who wanted separate instances for subscribers to stay separated from the free players, or the many posts over the last couple of weeks from people who want some visual indicators in game showing players' payment status so they could discriminate accordingly, or the guildmaster who asked for an indicator in the guild roster so he could kick non subscribers out? Those are just a few examples of elitism I've seen lately.frosth.darkomenb16_ESO wrote: »Where are people picking up all this "elitism" nonesense?
f2p/b2p games become bad, they have revenue losses and become p2w.
That's all there is. No one thinks they are better for paying a measly $15 a month.
Now the quality of B2p/F2p games is a completely different issue and is a cause for concern if it's done like other companies have done it.
ShadowDisciple wrote: »Can anyone explain why ppl are angry about the DLC being purchased for cash when they dont have to pay 15$ sub anymore...and on top of that if u pay monthly DLC wil be free to you...
Imo B2P if it doesent turn into P2W is a great thing f or ESO....
I also saw ppl sayin that in C yrodill all those " noobs" wont work tog ether....IMO they can be used as a diversion or increased f irepower along with your properly funtioning group...
Am i a f ool t o think B2P i only g ood f or the ga me
ShadowDisciple wrote: »Can anyone explain why ppl are angry about the DLC being purchased for cash when they dont have to pay 15$ sub anymore...and on top of that if u pay monthly DLC wil be free to you...
Imo B2P if it doesent turn into P2W is a great thing f or ESO....
I also saw ppl sayin that in C yrodill all those " noobs" wont work tog ether....IMO they can be used as a diversion or increased f irepower along with your properly funtioning group...
Am i a f ool t o think B2P i only g ood f or the ga me
So many insults already... makes the whole thread pointless imo.
I cant speak for others here, but for me a non F2P person paying money, but not receiving the good I pay for is weird and smells bad.
If I pay my sub at WOW, Ultima & Co. then I automatically buy the DLC´s. The companies release new content, be it a dungeon, BG, Story line or quests and I can always use it as I buy it by having a sub.
At ESO however and obviously other F2P games you only rent content with your sub and this is at least for me new and also weird.
Maybe this is how things are done among F2P games, I don't know... but at least in my books paying money, but only renting content sounds weird.
If at one point a player might not want to sub anymore, then he is stripped of everything he paid for, its a miracle to me that such a payment model actually seems to work, but todays generation is different than our old one I guess.
The analogy here would be MMO = gym, playing the game = lifting the iron, the constructive criticism could be us...
ShadowDisciple wrote: »
And after the "locust plague" ends...the problems begin and they start making cash shop more attractive to get more money..
Thats my only fear
So many insults already... makes the whole thread pointless imo.
I cant speak for others here, but for me a non F2P person paying money, but not receiving the good I pay for is weird and smells bad.
If I pay my sub at WOW, Ultima & Co. then I automatically buy the DLC´s. The companies release new content, be it a dungeon, BG, Story line or quests and I can always use it as I buy it by having a sub.
At ESO however and obviously other F2P games you only rent content with your sub and this is at least for me new and also weird.
Maybe this is how things are done among F2P games, I don't know... but at least in my books paying money, but only renting content sounds weird.
If at one point a player might not want to sub anymore, then he is stripped of everything he paid for, its a miracle to me that such a payment model actually seems to work, but todays generation is different than our old one I guess.
BlueIllyrian wrote: »Yes, it will bring more players, sort of like local sleazy fast food joint brings in more "customers".
Thank you for enlightening us, luckily you are not like those "other" people.
So many insults already... makes the whole thread pointless imo.
I cant speak for others here, but for me a non F2P person paying money, but not receiving the good I pay for is weird and smells bad.
If I pay my sub at WOW, Ultima & Co. then I automatically buy the DLC´s. The companies release new content, be it a dungeon, BG, Story line or quests and I can always use it as I buy it by having a sub.
At ESO however and obviously other F2P games you only rent content with your sub and this is at least for me new and also weird.
Maybe this is how things are done among F2P games, I don't know... but at least in my books paying money, but only renting content sounds weird.
If at one point a player might not want to sub anymore, then he is stripped of everything he paid for, its a miracle to me that such a payment model actually seems to work, but todays generation is different than our old one I guess.
When you pay your sub at WoW, you can play the game including any additions you've paid for separately. When you suspend your sub you are locked out of the game, in its entirety. That is also the case currently with ESO. If you want to play any part of the game again you have to re-sub. You don't have any access to the game you've been paying for unless you continue to pay.
However, after the business model changes in ESO, when you pay your sub you will be able to play the game including any DLC which will be free as it is covered by the sub. When you suspend your sub you will still be able to play most of the game free of charge, you will not be locked out of it in its entirety, and you will be able to resume playing the DLC either by re-subbing or paying for it separately.