40k Magicka Sorc Pet Builds

sabresandiego_ESO

Using the necropotence set and bound armor as high elf or breton, there are sorcs reaching nearly 40k max magicka. The strength of their damage shields is essentially unbreakable, and their damage output is beyond anything Ive seen so far on the PTS.

Min Maxed builds like this might be worth looking at.

XEVENEX

Thats only with a very specific set of gear and only with pets, lol. Our shield is slightly stronger but in no way unbreakable. Were already running 30k magicka builds without the set that increases magicka with pets out.

Pets are easily counterd by the way, with talons or encase, not to mention they take up 4 skill slots. I hate them.

Berinima

Unbreakable damage shields and damage output beyond anything you have ever seen on the PTS (and you do testing A LOT) sounds very well balanced. Good job ZOS!

Trolling and joking aside, it makes me kinda sad that all the armor changes seem to be null and void if builds like that can even exist. Great find though!

sabresandiego_ESO

An example build is:

Destro:
Pet
Pet
Bound Armor
Crushing Shock
Daedric Prey

Resto:
Pet
Pet
Bound Armor
Empowered Ward
Bolt Escape

XEVENEX

Berinima wrote: »

Unbreakable damage shields and damage output beyond anything you have ever seen on the PTS (and you do testing A LOT) sounds very well balanced. Good job ZOS!

This is exactly why I wish you hadn't posted this with the wording that you used OP. It's simply not true, and now bads and forumblades are going to cry nerf sorc.

XEVENEX

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

An example build is:

Destro:
Pet
Pet
Bound Armor
Crushing Shock
Daedric Prey

Resto:
Pet
Pet
Bound Armor
Empowered Ward
Bolt Escape

But youre getting nothing from bound armor with ward up (it HAS to always be up or a dirty look will kill you). If you want the magicka, magelight morph is better.

Berinima

Nonono... That's not what I meant. It's a complex composition of removing soft caps and thereby making various stats ridiculously stackable, scaling some shields with an offensive resource, not having a direct counter skill for them and not needing to trade off survivability for DPS. Their whole system is a terrible mess at times. That has nothing to do with sorcs.

XEVENEX

Berinima wrote: »

Nonono... That's not what I meant. It's a complex composition of removing soft caps and thereby making various stats ridiculously stackable, scaling some shields with an offensive resource, not having a direct counter skill for them and not needing to trade off survivability for DPS. Their whole system is a terrible mess at times. That has nothing to do with sorcs.

Well said. I didn't really mean you personally, but brace yourself, it's coming.

I will however say that the nerf to Immovable should solve any "shield problem" that might have existed. Knock them down, take out the shield, and wreck them. They're a wet paper sack under that shield.

Also, our magicka based DPS is absolute garbage if we don't run max magicka. We don't have a choice if we want to do decent magic dps.

DeLindsay

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Using the necropotence set and bound armor as high elf or breton, there are sorcs reaching nearly 40k max magicka. The strength of their damage shields is essentially unbreakable, and their damage output is beyond anything Ive seen so far on the PTS.

Min Maxed builds like this might be worth looking at.

And these 40K Magicka Sorcs have what, 12-14K Health? If any of those Shields drop for even 1 second and they get hit by a strong breeze they die. Sorcs have been poo'd on by ZoS for a very long time, let them have their 2 minutes of happiness before Zos smites them with the Nerf Bat-O-Doom.

Berinima

DeLindsay wrote: »

And these 40K Magicka Sorcs have what, 12-14K Health? If any of those Shields drop for even 1 second and they get hit by a strong breeze they die.

Mhm, not so sure about that. On the PTS I had 29k magicka and 22k health (as a Nightblade though). I think with class passives and the set you can get the same amount of health as a sorc with that build. Also due to the overall lowered health pool, the change to impenetratable and because of that the overall higher damage compared to live, maxing into your offensive resource seems to be superior at the moment.

XEVENEX

wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Using the necropotence set and bound armor as high elf or breton, there are sorcs reaching nearly 40k max magicka. The strength of their damage shields is essentially unbreakable, and their damage output is beyond anything Ive seen so far on the PTS.

Min Maxed builds like this might be worth looking at.

And these 40K Magicka Sorcs have what, 12-14K Health? If any of those Shields drop for even 1 second and they get hit by a strong breeze they die.

Berinima wrote: »

DeLindsay wrote: »

And these 40K Magicka Sorcs have what, 12-14K Health? If any of those Shields drop for even 1 second and they get hit by a strong breeze they die.

Mhm, not so sure about that. On the PTS I had 29k magicka and 22k health (as a Nightblade though). I think with class passives and the set you can get the same amount of health as a sorc with that build. Also due to the overall lowered health pool, the change to impenetratable and because of that the overall higher damage compared to live, maxing into your offensive resource seems to be superior at the moment.

Im 30k magicka and 14k health as a non pet max magicka sorc (with all stats food). Nightblades also have striaght up 30% to 60% flat damage reduction tools, stealth tools, healing tools, and evasive tools. Don't go there please.

Berinima

XEVENEX wrote: »

Im 30k magicka and 14k health as a non pet max magicka sorc. Nightblades also have a lot of flat damage mitigation tools. Striaght up 30% to 60% flat damage reduction, stealth tools, and evasive tools. Don't go there please.

Dude, what are you talking about here? I was just saying that I as a Nightblade can have 22k health while having 29k magicka. So I am assuming that a Sorc with the Necropotence set (which gives 12% more magicka with your pets if I remember that correctly) could get 40k magicka with but also having probably the same amount of health (as an direct answer to DeLindsay).

Soulac

DeLindsay wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Using the necropotence set and bound armor as high elf or breton, there are sorcs reaching nearly 40k max magicka. The strength of their damage shields is essentially unbreakable, and their damage output is beyond anything Ive seen so far on the PTS.

Min Maxed builds like this might be worth looking at.

And these 40K Magicka Sorcs have what, 12-14K Health? If any of those Shields drop for even 1 second and they get hit by a strong breeze they die. Sorcs have been poo'd on by ZoS for a very long time, let them have their 2 minutes of happiness before Zos smites them with the Nerf Bat-O-Doom.

There is no good sorc who let their shields run out, except if you could out dmg them, but this ain't happen as NB.. Well with 2handed maybe, cause Magicka dmg is way too low, but a single weapon as the only counter? Meh.

XEVENEX

Berinima wrote: »

XEVENEX wrote: »

Im 30k magicka and 14k health as a non pet max magicka sorc. Nightblades also have a lot of flat damage mitigation tools. Striaght up 30% to 60% flat damage reduction, stealth tools, and evasive tools. Don't go there please.

Dude, what are you talking about here? I was just saying that I as a Nightblade can have 22k health while having 29k magicka. So I am assuming that a Sorc with the Necropotence set (which gives 12% more magicka with your pets if I remember that correctly) could get 40k magicka with but also having probably the same amount of health (as an direct answer to DeLindsay)

I'm saying we're nowhere even CLOSE to 22k health with magicka builds. Forgive me if you have not seen all the crying about sorc lately, but I'm a little bias and you're feeding them false information.

Berinima

XEVENEX wrote: »

I'm saying we're nowhere even CLOSE to 22k health with magicka builds. Forgive me if you have not seen all the crying about sorc lately, but I'm a little bias and you're feeding them false information.

While I am pretty sure 22k health can be achieved with good gear (in Cyrodiil) and even more, nobody wants to nerf sorcs here. This thread is about a *build* that is probably overpowered and not your class. So dude, chill please.

XEVENEX

Berinima wrote: »

XEVENEX wrote: »

I'm saying we're nowhere even CLOSE to 22k health with magicka builds. Forgive me if you have not seen all the crying about sorc lately, but I'm a little bias and you're feeding them false information.

While I am pretty sure 22k health can be achieved with good gear (in Cyrodiil) and even more, nobody wants to nerf sorcs here. This thread is about a *build* that is probably overpowered and not your class. So dude, chill please.

I'm chill, but people are already complaining, read the thread. With excellent magicka gear, all class passives, all stats food, and emperorship alliance bonus, I'm nowhere near 22k HP. "Pretty sure" doesn't work. Roll a sorc on PTS and check for yourself.

DeLindsay

Just made a Breton Sorc Template on PTS. I don't have immediate access to other sets but just with the Template gear I come up with this (all Passives pointed, Tri-Food used):

• 29,921 Magicka
• 12,958 Health (outside Cyro*) -- 18,058 in Cyro (that's actually reasonable)
• 11,054 stamina

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• Hardened Ward IV: 1847 cost, 8979 Shield.
• Harness Magicka IV: 2561 cost, 10173 Magic Shield.
• Bone Shield (either morph): 3204 Stamina cost, 3887 Physical Shield (5417 in Cyro).

I'm probably missing something but I seriously don't see the problem stacking pure Magicka to roll Shields that if you let drop for only a few seconds you die in a fire because of absurdly low Health.

EDIT: I should mention my main is VR14 NB and my highest Sorc is LvL 10. I'm just tired of seeing Sorcs get the short end of the stick from ZoS. Let them have this at least for a while and see who can counter said build. IF it turns out impossible to defeat, then let ZoS try and balance it.

Domander

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Using the necropotence set and bound armor as high elf or breton, there are sorcs reaching nearly 40k max magicka. The strength of their damage shields is essentially unbreakable, and their damage output is beyond anything Ive seen so far on the PTS.

Min Maxed builds like this might be worth looking at.

Cool, but I'd say stamina is probably their weakness.

Pyatra

Domander wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Using the necropotence set and bound armor as high elf or breton, there are sorcs reaching nearly 40k max magicka. The strength of their damage shields is essentially unbreakable, and their damage output is beyond anything Ive seen so far on the PTS.

Min Maxed builds like this might be worth looking at.

Cool, but I'd say stamina is probably their weakness.

Soft CC them in place. Also I have been hit by a few attacks that bypassed my shield in PvE and PvP. Problem is I don't know what they are. Maybe one of the DoTs or one of the drain heath abilities. But I know for sure SOMETHING bypasses my Hardened Ward. It's just a mater of figuring out what.


Edit: I ONLY use Hardened ward so it has nothing to do with Physical attacks because only Harness Magicka is up.

Snit

Rather than nerf all sorcs, perhaps the 5-piece set bonus for Necropotence could be looked at.

Snit

XEVENEX wrote: »

I will however say that the nerf to Immovable should solve any "shield problem" that might have existed. Knock them down, take out the shield, and wreck them. They're a wet paper sack under that shield.

This.

It may also be necessary to make sure damage absorb shields don't stack -- only the strongest applies.

AshySamurai

Snit wrote: »

Rather than nerf all sorcs, perhaps the 5-piece set bonus for Necropotence could be looked at.

Hahaha! Nope. This is not ZOS's way. It's more easier to nerf all sorcs, then all other classes to be equal to sorc rather than balance one set.

Gyudan

This build has a few drawbacks:
- lower item level: VR12 max
- useless trait on all pièces: sturdy
- no spell damage
- argonian style

I guess it can have a niche use, with a huge focus on magicka and much less health than regular builds, which will be compensated with the wards. If you ever drop the ward you may get insta-killed though.

Soulac

Nightblades are able to get the bonus of necropotence too, just saying.

Zos need to overlook melee Magicka (more risky than range, but same dmg.. and the range NB ability gains you health + ultimate while the melee Skill gains you a little armor boost..) and Shield stacking.
I don't mind Sorcs going full Dps, but they're damn tanky too.

Derra

Oh boy. Wait till you find someone with 2100+ spelldmg (unbuffed). If you don´t like pets you´re going to have a bad time with real dmg builds.

If you´re looking for dmg in my opinion the destruction mastery set is the way to go, Necropotence is niche at best.

XEVENEX

For pve maybe. I actually love enemy sorc pets. I encase them then melt their master.

kewl

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

An example build is:

Destro:
Pet
Pet
Bound Armor
Crushing Shock
Daedric Prey

Resto:
Pet
Pet
Bound Armor
Empowered Ward
Bolt Escape

The very definition of derp. Thanks ZO$.

XEVENEX

McDoogs

DeLindsay wrote: »

sabresandiego_ESO wrote: »

Using the necropotence set and bound armor as high elf or breton, there are sorcs reaching nearly 40k max magicka. The strength of their damage shields is essentially unbreakable, and their damage output is beyond anything Ive seen so far on the PTS.

Min Maxed builds like this might be worth looking at.

And these 40K Magicka Sorcs have what, 12-14K Health? If any of those Shields drop for even 1 second and they get hit by a strong breeze they die. Sorcs have been poo'd on by ZoS for a very long time, let them have their 2 minutes of happiness before Zos smites them with the Nerf Bat-O-Doom.

It's incredibly easy to keep refreshing 20 second shields safe in the knowledge that you are effectively immune from crits, procs, dots though...

DeLindsay

McDoogs wrote: »

It's incredibly easy to keep refreshing 20 second shields safe in the knowledge that you are effectively immune from crits, procs, dots though...

1v1 I agree, maybe even 1v2 or 1v3 depending on just how good that Sorc is. 1vX that just isn't the case which is why this is a non-issue. Enough pressure on that Sorc and those Shields will drop fast thus draining all that Magicka fast resulting in dead Sorc, just like any other "unkillable" build. You get a good group of 6-8 on even an Emperor and they're going down. Yes it'll take that group a while but that's kind of the point with Emps. I realize this build reaching those numbers outside of being Emp but that doesn't change anything.

The 20 second duration means nothing if the Shield is dropped in 1-3 seconds, as it can be with high damage builds. If all the Sorc is doing is reapplying Shields every 1.3s (animation CD) then nobody will care as they aren't doing any dmg.

Derra

DeLindsay wrote: »

McDoogs wrote: »

It's incredibly easy to keep refreshing 20 second shields safe in the knowledge that you are effectively immune from crits, procs, dots though...

1v1 I agree, maybe even 1v2 or 1v3 depending on just how good that Sorc is. 1vX that just isn't the case which is why this is a non-issue. Enough pressure on that Sorc and those Shields will drop fast thus draining all that Magicka fast resulting in dead Sorc, just like any other "unkillable" build. You get a good group of 6-8 on even an Emperor and they're going down. Yes it'll take that group a while but that's kind of the point with Emps. I realize this build reaching those numbers outside of being Emp but that doesn't change anything.

The 20 second duration means nothing if the Shield is dropped in 1-3 seconds, as it can be with high damage builds. If all the Sorc is doing is reapplying Shields every 1.3s (animation CD) then nobody will care as they aren't doing any dmg.

100% This.
Shields are balanced for open field grp combat. Where they are fine. You can´t even tank two people that actually know what they are doing with shields.

Cast them take the 1 second breathing time you get and move your a**. Else you´re dead.

Edit: They are 100% not fine in 1v1 encounters. I agree with that. It´s just that i don´t see a way to make them vaible in both scenarios.