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1.6.1 Numbers for refining raw materials

  • NukeAllTheThings
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    appreciate it, and look forward to seeing what you come up with
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  • Gyudan
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    1.6.3 Numbers
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    I'll continue with a larger sample later. I have no time to test properly for now.

    No stealth nerf. Everything is still close to 5/1000, apart from some bad RNG on iron refining. I'll correct that with the larger sample.
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  • Sigtryggr
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    My refining numbers in 1.6.3:

    Blacksmithing (1240 ore)
    Honing Stone - 21 (17%)
    Dwarven Oil - 14 (11%)
    Grain Solvent - 9 (7%)
    Tempering Alloy - 2 (1.6%)

    Woodworking (1510 rough wood)
    Pitch - 17 (11%)
    Turpen - 20 (13%)
    Mastic - 11 (7%)
    Rosin - 7 (4.6%)
  • starkerealm
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    Sigtryggr wrote: »
    My refining numbers in 1.6.3:

    Blacksmithing (1240 ore)
    Honing Stone - 21 (17%)
    Dwarven Oil - 14 (11%)
    Grain Solvent - 9 (7%)
    Tempering Alloy - 2 (1.6%)

    Woodworking (1510 rough wood)
    Pitch - 17 (11%)
    Turpen - 20 (13%)
    Mastic - 11 (7%)
    Rosin - 7 (4.6%)

    At 124 refinements, your margin for error should be... what? 20% 19.5% Somewhere in there. It's not encouraging, but it's also not that meaningful... no offense.
  • DeLindsay
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    Also, everyone that is Refining on PTS please do make sure you have 3/3 Extraction for BS/WW/Cloth to make certain that our results are equal.
  • Sigtryggr
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    At 124 refinements, your margin for error should be... what? 20% 19.5% Somewhere in there. It's not encouraging, but it's also not that meaningful... no offense.
    I don't think I have made any conclusions based on that sample size, but thanks for your input... It can be easily combined with other results for a better sample size. It was done with 3/3 in extraction.
  • helediron
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    Patch 1.6.3 refinement results:
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    and emails from hirelings:
    PTS 48 mails
    2 Dreugh Wax
    1 Kuta
    8 Frost Mirriam
    8 Bervez Juice
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    Sigtryggr wrote: »
    At 124 refinements, your margin for error should be... what? 20% 19.5% Somewhere in there. It's not encouraging, but it's also not that meaningful... no offense.
    I don't think I have made any conclusions based on that sample size, but thanks for your input... It can be easily combined with other results for a better sample size. It was done with 3/3 in extraction.

    Yeah, sorry, mybad.
  • helediron
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    New batch in 1.6.4:

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  • DeLindsay
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    ty @helediron I think with your added Refines that brings us north of 60K total Refines on PTS with an average of right at 5% for Legendary Tempers so I'd say it's reasonably safe to call it 5% as the official 1.6 drop rate via Refining.
  • HeroOfNone
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    I was told by some this went up recently but haven't found the post the are referring to. Any links of recent tests?
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  • NukeAllTheThings
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    I was told by some this went up recently but haven't found the post the are referring to. Any links of recent tests?

    All the ongoing tests are in this thread that goes across multiple updates. There might be a brief instance where you can get 10% but over time it settles into the 5% range.

    "it's important to state that our decision to go with subscriptions is not a referendum on online game revenue models. F2P, B2P, etc. are valid, proven business models - but subscription is the one that fits ESO the best, given our commitment to freedom of gameplay, quality and long-term content delivery. Plus, players will appreciate not having to worry about being "monetized" in the middle of playing the game, which is definitely a problem that is cropping up more and more in online gaming these days." - Matt Firor
  • Faunter
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    So did the chance actually increase in update 6 like it said in the patch notes? Or was that a complete lie?
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    Faunter wrote: »
    So did the chance actually increase in update 6 like it said in the patch notes? Or was that a complete lie?

    It seems to have gone up. I mean, I'm not keeping detailed records... so this could just be confirmation bias, but it does look better.
  • helediron
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    Made a batch of refinements in 1.6 live. Looks like there is no change from 1.5.

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  • Heruthema
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    I am still getting about the same amount of Gold Items from my hierlings. I makes me think that they did not initiate the new system yet.
  • BlackEar
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    Fairly low drop rates I would say.
    Edited by BlackEar on March 6, 2015 6:20PM
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  • newtinmpls
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    Hmmm I don't recall ever getting gold items from my refining, but this morning in refining 50 jute, I got two of them. Weird.
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  • BlackEar
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    Is there no option to delete comments as well?
    Edited by BlackEar on March 6, 2015 6:15PM
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  • F7sus4
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    I refined approx. 12000 raw materials right after 1.6 hit the table. Got 2x Dreugh Wax and 1x Rosin only. I guess ZOS owe me around 100 of them now. ;)
    newtinmpls wrote: »
    Hmmm I don't recall ever getting gold items from my refining, but this morning in refining 50 jute, I got two of them. Weird.
    Yes, because the "significant increase" of gold mats was bugged and hot-fixed (let's even say stealth-fixed) as soon as people started reporting it. Some even claimed that it was intentional, so ZOS wanted to prevent us from getting a burst of gold waxes/rosins etc. right after the patch, but since we can't prove it, it's just a theory.
    Edited by F7sus4 on March 16, 2015 1:04AM
  • helediron
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    Numbers from 2.0. No significant change.
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