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Any Viable 1.6 Sorc builds found yet?

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rogue_gamer32b14_ESO
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Has a viable sorc build been found yet for PVE? I feel like we have been turned into a *** pet class and I hate that. I am looking for a viable dps without pets.
  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    Your kidding right?

    Your best bet is to combine Power Surge +Entropy and Crushing Shock for Single Target Damage, or pets.

    AOE you have a slightly improved Lighting Flood and thats about it.

    Sorcs overall are still the worst class in the game by far. Not much has changed with 1.6.

    Hardcaps are still their IE you can't have anymore then 50% Damage Mitigation as an example, the numbers are just their for fluff and show, smoke and mirrors.

    Its much harder to reach Harcap now because they nerfed enchants and gear along with raising the numbers. 20000 Spell Resist is worth less then 1950 spell resist on live.

    in other words, your weaker now then you are on live, don't let the big numbers fool you....28,000 HP on PTS is = to about 2500-2600 hp on live....its a rough comparison. They have nerfed everyone back down to level 1 pretty much as your pathetically weak without points invested in Champ System to get you back to where you are now currently on live.


    So the length of time it takes to earn a champ point (400,000 EXP) and all the grind spots nerfed...if your vet 14 i suggest you choose where to put those 70 champ points wisely because you won't be spending anymore for awhile. I hope your ready to spend as much time as completing the main quest + Caldwells Silver and Gold on dungeon runs, farming mobs, etc just to get enough champ points to be as strong as you are on live currently.

    personally im miffed about being nerfed and pretty much reset....A whole year of progress wiped out doens't sound appealing to me.

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    Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)

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  • Grinwhrl
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    PVP wise, they seem better from my point of view. They hit harder and their pets can really distract well, and without a cost.
    Edited by Grinwhrl on January 30, 2015 5:45PM
  • thelordoffelines
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    Viable sorc build- ( bear with me its a bits out there)
    reroll templar.
  • rogue_gamer32b14_ESO
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    thelordoffelines wrote: »
    Viable sorc build- ( bear with me its a bits out there)
    reroll templar.

    Ya I feel like I am being forced to reroll.

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    I swear sorcs are the worst drama queens in this game.
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    woodsro wrote: »
    in other words, your weaker now then you are on live, don't let the big numbers fool you....28,000 HP on PTS is = to about 2500-2600 hp on live....its a rough comparison. They have nerfed everyone back down to level 1 pretty much as your pathetically weak without points invested in Champ System to get you back to where you are now currently on live.
    Just wanted to touch on this because it's incorrect. Health scaled MUCH less than anything else, and ZoS even said so in the Patch notes. A Player with ~3300 Health on Live will have ~26K Health on PTS. If you have ~2700 on Live you have ~21K on PTS. We won't get the Health back if you are expecting it to be an x10 conversion. I don't think it's physically possible to get ~33K Health atm on PTS (direct x10 scaled from 3300 on Live), and there's no Stars that add Health.

    EDIT: To the OP, I saw a Pet Sorc doing 15-16K ST DPS to a VR10 WB the other night. He/She linked FTC in chat to show the numbers. I asked what the build was and got no response but I can say they had Clanfear + Twilight + Inner Light + Flame Destro Staff (using full Heavies or slightly charged Heavies), didn't use Storm Att Ultimate or any other Ultimate I know the look of.
    Edited by DeLindsay on January 30, 2015 6:31PM
  • Flaminir
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    woodsro wrote: »
    Your kidding right?

    Your best bet is to combine Power Surge +Entropy and Crushing Shock for Single Target Damage, or pets.



    Correct me if I'm wrong here... but I'm fairly sure that you can't stack identical buffs anymore.... and both surge & Entropy have the major spell power buff so no benefit to using both.

    Now the % buff to surge/entropy is about 30% less than the version of surge currently on live.... has anybody on PTS tested running entropy with crushing shock?

    What was the result DPS wise? My concern is that looking at the math it seems like it should be quite a lot weaker than it is now...


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  • cravnbeer
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    I really hope there is a build for sorc without using pets. I **** hate pets.
    Edited by cravnbeer on January 30, 2015 6:41PM
  • rogue_gamer32b14_ESO
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    cravnbeer wrote: »
    I really hope there is a build for sorc without using pets. I **** hate pets.

    Agree'd
  • rogue_gamer32b14_ESO
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    davedwildebeast wrote: »
    woodsro wrote: »
    Your kidding right?

    Your best bet is to combine Power Surge +Entropy and Crushing Shock for Single Target Damage, or pets.



    Correct me if I'm wrong here... but I'm fairly sure that you can't stack identical buffs anymore.... and both surge & Entropy have the major spell power buff so no benefit to using both.

    Now the % buff to surge/entropy is about 30% less than the version of surge currently on live.... has anybody on PTS tested running entropy with crushing shock?

    What was the result DPS wise? My concern is that looking at the math it seems like it should be quite a lot weaker than it is now...


    You are correct. They don't stack.
  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    DeLindsay wrote: »
    woodsro wrote: »
    in other words, your weaker now then you are on live, don't let the big numbers fool you....28,000 HP on PTS is = to about 2500-2600 hp on live....its a rough comparison. They have nerfed everyone back down to level 1 pretty much as your pathetically weak without points invested in Champ System to get you back to where you are now currently on live.
    Just wanted to touch on this because it's incorrect. Health scaled MUCH less than anything else, and ZoS even said so in the Patch notes. A Player with ~3300 Health on Live will have ~26K Health on PTS. If you have ~2700 on Live you have ~21K on PTS. We won't get the Health back if you are expecting it to be an x10 conversion. I don't think it's physically possible to get ~33K Health atm on PTS (direct x10 scaled from 3300 on Live), and there's no Stars that add Health.

    EDIT: To the OP, I saw a Pet Sorc doing 15-16K ST DPS to a VR10 WB the other night. He/She linked FTC in chat to show the numbers. I asked what the build was and got no response but I can say they had Clanfear + Twilight + Inner Light + Flame Destro Staff (using full Heavies or slightly charged Heavies), didn't use Storm Att Ultimate or any other Ultimate I know the look of.

    You correct, my bad, the health scaling is actually worse :(
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    Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)

    "Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak

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    davedwildebeast wrote: »
    woodsro wrote: »
    Your kidding right?

    Your best bet is to combine Power Surge +Entropy and Crushing Shock for Single Target Damage, or pets.



    Correct me if I'm wrong here... but I'm fairly sure that you can't stack identical buffs anymore.... and both surge & Entropy have the major spell power buff so no benefit to using both.

    Now the % buff to surge/entropy is about 30% less than the version of surge currently on live.... has anybody on PTS tested running entropy with crushing shock?

    What was the result DPS wise? My concern is that looking at the math it seems like it should be quite a lot weaker than it is now...


    Nevermind your right they don't stack, i forgot about that because i tried it last night. Guess im still stuck in the live mentality sometimes. In any case, Surge is pretty much useless now your better off with Entropy in pretty much every case.

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    Sorcerer's - The ONLY class in the game that is punished for using its class defining skill (Bolt Escape)

    "Here in his shrine, that they have forgotten. Here do we toil, that we might remember. By night we reclaim, what by day was stolen. Far from ourselves, he grows ever near to us. Our eyes once were blinded, now through him do we see. Our hands once were idle, now through them does he speak. And when the world shall listen, and when the world shall see, and when the world remembers, that world will cease to be. - Miraak

  • Kilandros
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    DeLindsay wrote: »
    To the OP, I saw a Pet Sorc doing 15-16K ST DPS to a VR10 WB the other night. He/She linked FTC in chat to show the numbers. I asked what the build was and got no response but I can say they had Clanfear + Twilight + Inner Light + Flame Destro Staff (using full Heavies or slightly charged Heavies), didn't use Storm Att Ultimate or any other Ultimate I know the look of.

    A WB fight generally does last long enough to get an accurate picture of true DPS.

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    Short answer is DKs likely won't be seeing a ton of changes before we go live; this class is still quite powerful (as it should be being a tank), even after some of the adjustments we've made to other classes and abilities.

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  • DeLindsay
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    Kilandros wrote: »
    DeLindsay wrote: »
    To the OP, I saw a Pet Sorc doing 15-16K ST DPS to a VR10 WB the other night. He/She linked FTC in chat to show the numbers. I asked what the build was and got no response but I can say they had Clanfear + Twilight + Inner Light + Flame Destro Staff (using full Heavies or slightly charged Heavies), didn't use Storm Att Ultimate or any other Ultimate I know the look of.

    A WB fight generally does last long enough to get an accurate picture of true DPS.
    Obviously, but it's about the only way we have of solo testing since ZoS refuses to give us Player usable Target Dummies. It's much harder to get 11 other people together "just to test dps builds". And this is the way DPS testing has gone on in ESO since Beta.
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    I'll be on the PTS starting tonight, I'll report back. I don't expect much to come of theory crafting from the PTS however as we only get 70 CPs to play with. From the looks of it we'll need more like 3-500 CPs to actually get points into the passives to make a comparison to for instance our previous viability on live.
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    If your AD, alikr desert is your v9 zone. There is a WB at the giant camp called the old man. It's possible to stand on the rock behind him avoiding damage while you test.

    He keeps resetting, but if you have "combat log statistics" you can manually add up the damage log after multiple resets and divide by the total time to get accurate dps in a longer fight without the need to actually be in combat.
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  • Tonnopesce
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    DeLindsay wrote: »
    woodsro wrote: »
    in other words, your weaker now then you are on live, don't let the big numbers fool you....28,000 HP on PTS is = to about 2500-2600 hp on live....its a rough comparison. They have nerfed everyone back down to level 1 pretty much as your pathetically weak without points invested in Champ System to get you back to where you are now currently on live.
    Just wanted to touch on this because it's incorrect. Health scaled MUCH less than anything else, and ZoS even said so in the Patch notes. A Player with ~3300 Health on Live will have ~26K Health on PTS. If you have ~2700 on Live you have ~21K on PTS. We won't get the Health back if you are expecting it to be an x10 conversion. I don't think it's physically possible to get ~33K Health atm on PTS (direct x10 scaled from 3300 on Live), and there's no Stars that add Health.

    EDIT: To the OP, I saw a Pet Sorc doing 15-16K ST DPS to a VR10 WB the other night. He/She linked FTC in chat to show the numbers. I asked what the build was and got no response but I can say they had Clanfear + Twilight + Inner Light + Flame Destro Staff (using full Heavies or slightly charged Heavies), didn't use Storm Att Ultimate or any other Ultimate I know the look of.



    Wait and if i have live on cirodill 4.2k health i will become a god of health in update 6?
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  • Robocles
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    Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
    DeLindsay wrote: »
    woodsro wrote: »
    in other words, your weaker now then you are on live, don't let the big numbers fool you....28,000 HP on PTS is = to about 2500-2600 hp on live....its a rough comparison. They have nerfed everyone back down to level 1 pretty much as your pathetically weak without points invested in Champ System to get you back to where you are now currently on live.
    Just wanted to touch on this because it's incorrect. Health scaled MUCH less than anything else, and ZoS even said so in the Patch notes. A Player with ~3300 Health on Live will have ~26K Health on PTS. If you have ~2700 on Live you have ~21K on PTS. We won't get the Health back if you are expecting it to be an x10 conversion. I don't think it's physically possible to get ~33K Health atm on PTS (direct x10 scaled from 3300 on Live), and there's no Stars that add Health.

    EDIT: To the OP, I saw a Pet Sorc doing 15-16K ST DPS to a VR10 WB the other night. He/She linked FTC in chat to show the numbers. I asked what the build was and got no response but I can say they had Clanfear + Twilight + Inner Light + Flame Destro Staff (using full Heavies or slightly charged Heavies), didn't use Storm Att Ultimate or any other Ultimate I know the look of.



    Wait and if i have live on cirodill 4.2k health i will become a god of health in update 6?

    Gonna go with no. The modifiers to attribute points and all other gains for health (enchants, etc) have been nerfed.
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    Sorcerer did not change with 1.6 in my opinion. Crushing shock is still the only viable DPS build for Sorcs.

    Pets are okay now. It should work for boss fights in dungeons.
    I would say, Templar is the DPS caster in the game now.
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  • OrangeTheCat
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    rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »
    Has a viable sorc build been found yet for PVE? I feel like we have been turned into a *** pet class and I hate that. I am looking for a viable dps without pets.

    Please define what you mean by "viable".
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    Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
    Wait and if i have live on cirodill 4.2k health i will become a god of health in update 6?
    Based on what I'm seeing for scaling that would put you at or just north of 30K.
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    I am ecstatic that ZOS had the *** to make player characters mortal. Taking on 1v3 in an MMO should be nearly impossible, and yet some of you think it's boring. Groups of mobs should require groups of players to bring down. Y'all are spoiled. ZOS has earned my respect and I plan on sticking around because of their guts.
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    joleda4ub17_ESO wrote: »
    I am ecstatic that ZOS had the *** to make player characters mortal. Taking on 1v3 in an MMO should be nearly impossible, and yet some of you think it's boring. Groups of mobs should require groups of players to bring down. Y'all are spoiled. ZOS has earned my respect and I plan on sticking around because of their guts.

    Uh when a mob gives ~400 XP and it takes ~14,000,000 XP to get to V14, no you should not have to stop and have an epic battle at every mob. Give me 2k XP a mob and then maybe it would be warranted.
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    rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »
    cravnbeer wrote: »
    I really hope there is a build for sorc without using pets. I **** hate pets.

    Agree'd
    Agreed as well
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    GreyRanger wrote: »
    rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »
    cravnbeer wrote: »
    I really hope there is a build for sorc without using pets. I **** hate pets.

    Agree'd
    Agreed as well

    Our new max DPS build. I call it, "The Derp." No thank you.

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    But seriously, I think well be fine in PvP without pets. PvE is a different story.
    Edited by kewl on January 30, 2015 10:31PM
  • rogue_gamer32b14_ESO
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    kewl wrote: »
    GreyRanger wrote: »
    rogue_gamer32b14_ESO wrote: »
    cravnbeer wrote: »
    I really hope there is a build for sorc without using pets. I **** hate pets.

    Agree'd
    Agreed as well

    Our new max DPS build. I call it, "The Derp." No thank you.

    DTGCjui.png

    But seriously, I think well be fine in PvP without pets. PvE is a different story.

    Ya this spec is *** derp. If they don't fix these issues, a lot of people will re roll or worse quit playing.
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    crushing shock + frags insta + curse is strong. you can burst for like 15-20k in less then a second. Bit strong imo. No other class can burst that hard. Streak needs to have its go through block taken away because thats just so stupid. Especially in group play if a sorc flies through your whole group they are all stunned. WHO THE HELL THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA?
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    aco5712 wrote: »
    crushing shock + frags insta + curse is strong. you can burst for like 15-20k in less then a second. Bit strong imo. No other class can burst that hard. Streak needs to have its go through block taken away because thats just so stupid. Especially in group play if a sorc flies through your whole group they are all stunned. WHO THE HELL THOUGHT THAT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA?

    I'm not certain streak is going through block if I am wrong about this someone please correct me:

    On live if you had 1 stamina point you would still block a CC. On PTS if you do not have enough to cover the cost of blocking, you will be CC'd no matter if you're holding block or not.
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    woodsro wrote: »
    Your kidding right?

    Your best bet is to combine Power Surge +Entropy and Crushing Shock for Single Target Damage, or pets.

    Surge and entropy apply the same buff, meaning any sorc will use entropy instead of surge.
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    Reality check: the 1.6 pets only do about 1000 DPS together without buffs, Daedric Prey might bring that up to 1300.

    My 1.6 sorc has 20K magicka which is equal to about 2500 on 1.5.7, but she's not getting anywhere NEAR "15-16K" DPS using Crushing Shock, Crystal Frags, LA weaving or anything else. I finally got her up to 7K DPS last night against mammoths and giants, but that's it.

    Are there people out there sacrificing health to get their magicka way, way up?
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