What do sorcs use for self heals now?

Eucken

tunepunk wrote: »

Critical surge will heal you more than enough if you're never getting hit. Distance is your friend.

Maybe other classes will be better in close range AOE, but i think Sorcerers are better at ranged AOE.

Yeah I don't need a self heal if I never get hit.....

gendarkb16_ESO

Dazin93 wrote: »

In my opinion, crit surge is not a viable skill anymore in PvP in its current form. Playing as a stamina sorc I could previously utilize it with critical rush and stack weapon power with rally. It wasn't ideal by any means, but still worth a slot.

Now, the combination of crit % reduction on armor sets and armor passives, the 1 sec delay, flawless dawnbreaker nerf, and the reduction in critical damage, have made it a shadow of what it was. Heals in the 80-100 range are pitiful and can easily be outdone by entropy and rally.

To add insult to injury, I can pop a vr5 weapon damage potion and get the same weapon power buff as crit surge on a longer time with 2 other added benefits.

THISSS

i am also a stamina sorcerer using a 2h.... surge went from usefull (if you had luck and nobody blocked you) to utter crap ... why use surge when rally does the same but better and last more. WHY USE SURGE when a stamina potion does the same ....

Zenimax you screwed surge in so many ways not only for magicka users, for stamina users too.

seanvwolf

tunepunk wrote: »

Maybe other classes will be better in close range AOE, but i think Sorcerers are better at ranged AOE.

Except that I want to be a close range single target DPS as a sorcerer and did pretty damn well, considering. The nerf to crit surge might make sense on paper when you consider that CS line contains a crit heal essentially, but it means that class at that point means absolutely nothing.

Not only that, but with the CS crit heal... any class could do the same thing and better. And no, summoning pets isn't part of "playing how I want". They also nerfed flurry and it's morphs, meaning my whole bar based off of it is now flushed in the PTS. It will take me a long time to even get back to where I am now knowing full well that other classes will be able to do what was once unique to my build far better.

Maulkin

It's weird. There are LOADS of good changes for Sorcs, but the nerf to crit surge is so brutal it seems to overshadow everything.

I'm loving some of the changes, especially the ones to: Daedric Curse, Dark Conversion, Encase, Lightning Form etc.

But that quadruple nerf to crit surge is just brutal. Combined with the seemingly much lower damage mitigation of light armor builds (armor, spell res), on paper survivability is going to be a big issue.

Let's see

Valymer

nvm

Tiitus

tunepunk wrote: »

Valymer wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

I don't think Sorcerers should be able to charge in and outheal incoming damage while getting beaten on by a mass of foes, while spamming AOE skills.

But the other three classes should?

Yep.

Try out this tactic instead.
1. Apply crit surge
2. used ranged attacks/spells/skills
3. Stay out of range (CC or Streak)
4. Rinse and repeat.
5. Win.

Critical surge will heal you more than enough if you're never getting hit. Distance is your friend.

Maybe other classes will be better in close range AOE, but i think Sorcerers are better at ranged AOE.

so basically i should work twice as hard as the other 3 classes to be effective....?

Reverb

Eucken wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

Critical surge will heal you more than enough if you're never getting hit. Distance is your friend.

Maybe other classes will be better in close range AOE, but i think Sorcerers are better at ranged AOE.

Yeah I don't need a self heal if I never get hit.....

Kite or die. And tripots.

Flaminir

Tiitus wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

Valymer wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

I don't think Sorcerers should be able to charge in and outheal incoming damage while getting beaten on by a mass of foes, while spamming AOE skills.

But the other three classes should?

Yep.

Try out this tactic instead.
1. Apply crit surge
2. used ranged attacks/spells/skills
3. Stay out of range (CC or Streak)
4. Rinse and repeat.
5. Win.

Critical surge will heal you more than enough if you're never getting hit. Distance is your friend.

Maybe other classes will be better in close range AOE, but i think Sorcerers are better at ranged AOE.

so basically i should work twice as hard as the other 3 classes to be effective....?

Nope.

If you only work twice as hard as the other classes then you will still be less effective now

Tiitus

davedwildebeast wrote: »

Tiitus wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

Valymer wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

I don't think Sorcerers should be able to charge in and outheal incoming damage while getting beaten on by a mass of foes, while spamming AOE skills.

But the other three classes should?

Yep.

Try out this tactic instead.
1. Apply crit surge
2. used ranged attacks/spells/skills
3. Stay out of range (CC or Streak)
4. Rinse and repeat.
5. Win.

Critical surge will heal you more than enough if you're never getting hit. Distance is your friend.

Maybe other classes will be better in close range AOE, but i think Sorcerers are better at ranged AOE.

so basically i should work twice as hard as the other 3 classes to be effective....?

Nope.

If you only work twice as hard as the other classes then you will still be less effective now

My sorc is only VR3, i abandoned ship yesterday and joined Dragon Knights Online

starlizard70ub17_ESO

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

I took my cat's advice: lick your wounds.

We Khajiit have been doing this since the game began.

Lied

as a non-sorc I wish I could get bolt escape from using a resto staff

Feidam

Encase is a huge help with solo aoe grinding. Forget impulse change to ranged aoe's and encase. Seems work well so far, especially with hardened ward.

Joy_Division

tunepunk wrote: »

Valymer wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

I don't think Sorcerers should be able to charge in and outheal incoming damage while getting beaten on by a mass of foes, while spamming AOE skills.

But the other three classes should?

Yep.

Try out this tactic instead.
1. Apply crit surge
2. used ranged attacks/spells/skills
3. Stay out of range (CC or Streak)
4. Rinse and repeat.
5. Win.

Critical surge will heal you more than enough if you're never getting hit. Distance is your friend.

Maybe other classes will be better in close range AOE, but i think Sorcerers are better at ranged AOE.

Your logical is impeccable...

kieso

Shunravi wrote: »

kieso wrote: »

I still pulled 3 packs of mobs in spellscar and came out at full HP.

Alright, what about for pvp? Whats your impression compared to other classes?

I don't know yet man, I haven't gone out there yet. All I did was try out aoeing in grindscar and it worked pretty much the same to be honest and then I tried some pets out and wandered around killing packs of mobs and super elites.

I reported two bugs, one was magelight ball not showing up and the other was deadric mines caused my screen to shake like crazy as if there were explosions going off everywhere; though I've having a hard time replicating that last one.

XEVENEX

I think we have far more important things to complain about than lol crit surge.

SanderBuraas

XEVENEX wrote: »

I think we have far more important things to complain about than lol crit surge.

No. Critical Surge has really lost it's value, and it is pretty much useless now.

Vahrokh

tunepunk wrote: »

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

CONFIRMED: Sorcs only get ONE Surge Heal per second on the 1.6 PTS. See for yourself. Only one heal in between ultimate ticks, even though there were several crits. Needless to say, it wasn't enough, and my poor sorcerer died

If it's not enough you're getting hit too often. Try not to get hit and It should be enough.

Pre 1.6 critical surge heals me enough to take on VR level World Bosses and Public Dungeon bosses. 1 on 1 i rarely get hit. 1 on 1 I'm also getting healed about 1 time per second.

I don't think Sorcerers should be able to charge in and outheal incoming damage while getting beaten on by a mass of foes, while spamming AOE skills.

Maybe you need to rethink your survival tactic a bit instead of just charging in and spam your skills

You say this like sorcs play in the void.

No, they play in the same game where the other classes can ALSO do the same or better (some NBs specs being the exception).

XEVENEX

Smepic wrote: »

XEVENEX wrote: »

I think we have far more important things to complain about than lol crit surge.

No. Critical Surge has really lost it's value, and it is pretty much useless now.

We've far, far more important things to complain about than lol crit surge. If that was your crutch then you were doing it all wrong to begin with.

Health is not scaling up as much as damage and shields are on PTS. Even more reason to have a Hardened Ward based defense. It's cheap, instant, spammable, and gets better the more magicka you stack. You don't need a heal if your health never takes damage.

Just because you can make a stamina Sorc doesnt mean you should. You are not a unique snowflake. There is a superior build for every class in every mmo ever created. Gamers are generally pretty good at min/maxing these things out.
Stamina builds are just not going to be as effective because our class skills are all magicka. It doesnt take a rocket surgeon to figure that out.

Artemiisia

tunepunk wrote: »

Critical surge will heal you more than enough if you're never getting hit. Distance is your friend.

Maybe other classes will be better in close range AOE, but i think Sorcerers are better at ranged AOE.

lol if u never get hit, why do u need critical surge then

Xjcon

Lol just streak away.

thelordoffelines

Xjcon wrote: »

Lol just streak away.

The first time I did AA I tried to streak away from the mage. Didn't work as well as it does in cyrodiil. She didn't follow me like all those noob DKs.

Lorkhan

you dont need self-heals. just Bolt scape away as always.

Vahrokh

Why do we always have to get PvP party poopers troll in our threads?
Who effin cares about PvP, in this game it's so vestigial and pointless they could remove it today and few would even notice.

SanderBuraas

Vahrokh wrote: »

Why do we always have to get PvP party poopers troll in our threads?
Who effin cares about PvP, in this game it's so vestigial and pointless they could remove it today and few would even notice.

Pvp actually plays a big part of this game, and it will even be introduced as a part of the Justice system.

Right now, Sorcerers lack any kind of self-heal, compared to the other classes, that actually have many. This renders Sorcerers useless in any pve areas of the game with packs of mobs.