What do sorcs use for self heals now?

Tiitus

Title.

Lynx7386

Dark exchange, same as before.
Stamina sorcs will still heal from critical surge.

MADshadowman

Nothing. But they never had something for self heals. Crit surge is not what you could call a self heal. Resto staff was always the better solution for healing on sorcs, but it never was a good one. With the changes in 1.6 the resto staff will become even more necessary for sorcs, which will restrict build options a lot. I have always used a resto staff, but i would love to get rid of it and be free in my build options.

As a max magicka/spell power sorc, 1.6 might actually give me some decent heals with the resto staff. We will see.

But i would love to have at least a small but reliable class self heal.

Emma_Overload

Potions.

OrangeTheCat

I took my cat's advice: lick your wounds.

Drazek

roll another toon

Vahrokh

MADshadowman wrote: »

Nothing. But they never had something for self heals.

I was happy with what we had. Apparently it was too much.

Luckily enough we are losing any smidge of healing for this super massive DPS buff!


oh, wait...

lebanese87b16_ESO

Sorcs are going nuts in chat, lots of them are very unhappy while NB are taking out groups with ease and dishing out huge damage.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Dark exchange, potions, Resto. staff, Crit surge.. umm cant think of anything else..

goldnugget

why do sorcs need to heal themselves while theyre at the crafting bench making gear for your real character?

MADshadowman

I just tested it on the PTS and for a full magicka sorcerer combat prayer works as good as breath of life for templars. 3 x combat prayer = heal to full. I find the healing so much better now. I will write a more detailed article on that in the next days.

Leovolao

MADshadowman wrote: »

I just tested it on the PTS and for a full magicka sorcerer combat prayer works as good as breath of life for templars. 3 x combat prayer = heal to full. I find the healing so much better now. I will write a more detailed article on that in the next days.

The issue with this is that many of us wanted to get rid of the resto staff.

Emma_Overload

CONFIRMED: Sorcs only get ONE Surge Heal per second on the 1.6 PTS. See for yourself. Only one heal in between ultimate ticks, even though there were several crits. Needless to say, it wasn't enough, and my poor sorcerer died

Leovolao

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

CONFIRMED: Sorcs only get ONE Surge Heal per second on the 1.6 PTS. See for yourself. Only one heal in between ultimate ticks, even though there were several crits. Needless to say, it wasn't enough, and my poor sorcerer died

This is just sad.

Shunravi

Sorcs: Yay, impen is getting fixed! Our class self heal will work!

ZOS: LoL, nope!

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Dazin93

In my opinion, crit surge is not a viable skill anymore in PvP in its current form. Playing as a stamina sorc I could previously utilize it with critical rush and stack weapon power with rally. It wasn't ideal by any means, but still worth a slot.

Now, the combination of crit % reduction on armor sets and armor passives, the 1 sec delay, flawless dawnbreaker nerf, and the reduction in critical damage, have made it a shadow of what it was. Heals in the 80-100 range are pitiful and can easily be outdone by entropy and rally.

To add insult to injury, I can pop a vr5 weapon damage potion and get the same weapon power buff as crit surge on a longer time with 2 other added benefits.

kieso

I still pulled 3 packs of mobs in spellscar and came out at full HP.

Shunravi

kieso wrote: »

I still pulled 3 packs of mobs in spellscar and came out at full HP.

Alright, what about for pvp? Whats your impression compared to other classes?

s7732425ub17_ESO

The healing from Crit Surge has been changed a bit. I tested this for a while in Spellscar pulling 10+ mobs at a time. It's true that you do heal less- it feels that half as effective as the live version. It is still possible to solo a bunch of Spellscar mobs, but it is definitely harder.

Also, the heal has a luck factor since you do not heal on all crits. You can crit heal on an attack that does 1500 damage, or you could crit heal on an attack that does 150 damage. If you put a bunch of DoTs on a target, you will probably get less healing because some of the smaller damage crits will activate the heal and not the larger hits.

NovaShadow

As a 2H sorc I now use Crit Surge, Momentum (last 2h skill) and have a res staff backup with heals slotted. Works perfectly when I need a quick heal.

Feidam

If you use any dot it definitely seems to hurt the effectiveness of crit surge.

Fruity_Ninja

I wonder why they would nerf the healing on Crit Surge? What is even the point of doing that?

And why limit the heal option to only weapon damage, effectively making the skill better for stamina builds over magicka builds?

Weird logic..

clocksstoppe

Have you considered the fact that NOT EVERYTHING is supposed to have insane self heals?

Vahrokh

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Have you considered the fact that NOT EVERYTHING is supposed to have insane self heals?

Yeah, the class that was the worst already, in fact, is not.

sagitter

because with the imp trait fix and the increased cap in pvp, aoe sorc would be immortal in zergs.

GaBacon

i use bats!!

tunepunk

Emma_Eunjung wrote: »

CONFIRMED: Sorcs only get ONE Surge Heal per second on the 1.6 PTS. See for yourself. Only one heal in between ultimate ticks, even though there were several crits. Needless to say, it wasn't enough, and my poor sorcerer died

If it's not enough you're getting hit too often. Try not to get hit and It should be enough.

Pre 1.6 critical surge heals me enough to take on VR level World Bosses and Public Dungeon bosses. 1 on 1 i rarely get hit. 1 on 1 I'm also getting healed about 1 time per second.

I don't think Sorcerers should be able to charge in and outheal incoming damage while getting beaten on by a mass of foes, while spamming AOE skills.

Maybe you need to rethink your survival tactic a bit instead of just charging in and spam your skills

Xsorus

Cleanse, heh it's almost as cheap as efficient purge now and heals for a crap load

Valymer

tunepunk wrote: »

I don't think Sorcerers should be able to charge in and outheal incoming damage while getting beaten on by a mass of foes, while spamming AOE skills.

But the other three classes should?

tunepunk

Valymer wrote: »

tunepunk wrote: »

I don't think Sorcerers should be able to charge in and outheal incoming damage while getting beaten on by a mass of foes, while spamming AOE skills.

But the other three classes should?

Yep.

Try out this tactic instead.
1. Apply crit surge
2. used ranged attacks/spells/skills
3. Stay out of range (CC or Streak)
4. Rinse and repeat.
5. Win.

Critical surge will heal you more than enough if you're never getting hit. Distance is your friend.

Maybe other classes will be better in close range AOE, but i think Sorcerers are better at ranged AOE.

Fruity_Ninja

tunepunk wrote: »

Valymer wrote: »

Critical surge will heal you more than enough if you're never getting hit and you give up a spellpower boost to make your magicka build benefit.

Fixt.