Did ZOS just imply that the justice system PVP component may or may not ever be implemented?

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

This remains to be determined - I've been pretty clear that PvP justice is pretty scary from a game balance perspective, and we need to be very careful how we implement it. If/when it makes it in to the game, it will not be as part of a paid DLC.

If? Why did he say IF/when? Is there talk of scrapping the pvp element?

sirston · January 2015

you have to understand how many variables go into the whole idea of open world pvp. They simply are not ready to put it in yet and may not be for a few months.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

That would explain "when". Doesnt explain why he said "if". If suggests it may never be an option.

Rodario · January 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

This remains to be determined - I've been pretty clear that PvP justice is pretty scary from a game balance perspective, and we need to be very careful how we implement it. If/when it makes it in to the game, it will not be as part of a paid DLC.

If? Why did he say IF/when? Is there talk of scrapping the pvp element?

They're currently working out how many crowns it will cost per month to rent an enforcer tabard. If they come to the conclusion that nobody will pay for it, they're not adding it to the game.

Mettaricana · January 2015

wait wut!? pay to enforce law f*** that ima be a thief

if they dont add the pvp element then that would be another lie they told us... next thing they'll tell us spell crafting wont ever release...

Cody · January 2015

They had better release the PvP element!!!! We have all been looking forward to it!!!

im going to be selfish here: I don't care how complicated it is, they said they were going to put it in, and they had better. ZOS has lied to us enough already.

Faulgor · January 2015

Yeah, I wouldn't expect to see it anymore. If they already say that is a possiblity, that says a lot, and recent events have taught us to expect the worse scenario.

Rodario · January 2015

Mettaricana wrote: »

wait wut!? pay to enforce law f*** that ima be a thief

if they dont add the pvp element then that would be another lie they told us... next thing they'll tell us spell crafting wont ever release...

Spellcrafting WILL be added. At 100 crowns per spell component.

Roechacca · January 2015

ZoS Representatives are very confusing

Aevric · January 2015

To sum things up, believe any statements, previous or current, made from the devs or Zenimax (even statements on camera, the ESO site, and on record) at your own risk.

Leeric · January 2015

Roechacca wrote: »

ZoS Representatives are very confusing

They are purposely confusing, they want to make money, only way to do so when people are upset at them is to publish half truths or confusing statements, that require "clarification" which often doesn't happen until its live in game...

Standard unethical business practices.

RDMyers65b14_ESO · January 2015

All that you have to do is go to any bank in the game and see why the PvP part of the Justice System may not happen. So, when you can get the players who spam abilities in the bank to grow up and act like adults, maybe we can get that part of the Justice System.

starkerealm · January 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

That would explain "when". Doesnt explain why he said "if". If suggests it may never be an option.

It suggests that something has come up. Either as part of development or in internal testing. The game balance thing isn't an idle issue, either. So, yeah, this might not happen because of design considerations that they can't overcome. Which would be really sad.

OrangeTheCat · January 2015

Keep stringing the players along. Keep their hopes up. Keep dangling that carrot in front of them. Keep them paying $ for as long as possible.

TheBull · January 2015

Yes they did. They lied to keep us playing.

It's a terrible practice to say we will be doing this. Then say this will come after for balancing reasons, then to say if it comes. Management has losing a lot of good faith.

Ommamar · January 2015

Can you tell me where that statement came from? It might be a personal opinion of that representative which seems to happen a lot and is not necessarily the majority of the thoughts at ZOS.
I truly hope they implement the PvP as it would add a fresh element, but honestly what other MMO would allow you to steal and fence an item? Either way going to push a limit of what is allowed in an MMO.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

Ommamar wrote: »

Can you tell me where that statement came from? It might be a personal opinion of that representative which seems to happen a lot and is not necessarily the majority of the thoughts at ZOS.
I truly hope they implement the PvP as it would add a fresh element, but honestly what other MMO would allow you to steal and fence an item? Either way going to push a limit of what is allowed in an MMO.

That statement was from Matt Frior president of ZOS on the reddit AMA.

TheBull · January 2015

Mettaricana wrote: »

wait wut!? pay to enforce law f*** that ima be a thief

if they dont add the pvp element then that would be another lie they told us... next thing they'll tell us spell crafting wont ever release...

It won't be in this version of ESO. Maybe with an expansion a couple years from now. They have to sell boxes....

VisceralMonkey · January 2015

Yes they did.

grimjim398 · January 2015

If you don't get this message from what happened this week, you should try to take it into your head in a serious way. Everything about this game, no matter who told it to you, no matter who said it, is conditional. Nothing that you think you have been promised is assured to happen. The VR ranks might never leave the game. The justice system might never happen. There might not ever be another expansion or DLC of any kind. The only thing you can be sure of is that there will be a cash shop and that you can buy a wedding dress and ride a pig in the game if you are willing to pay for it.

Khivas_Carrick · January 2015

If they don't release the PvP Element of the Justice System, I will pack my *** and straight up leave. I like this game, even with it's quirks, but that upcoming content is the biggest thing keeping me here, and if the PvP element of Justice isn't in there, then there's no *** point to a god damn Justice System.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

I was kinda looking forward to a smaller scale pvp option. Im not a big fan of cyrodill.

Dazin93 · January 2015

grimjim398 wrote: »

If you don't get this message from what happened this week, you should try to take it into your head in a serious way. Everything about this game, no matter who told it to you, no matter who said it, is conditional. Nothing that you think you have been promised is assured to happen. The VR ranks might never leave the game. The justice system might never happen. There might not ever be another expansion or DLC of any kind. The only thing you can be sure of is that there will be a cash shop and that you can buy a wedding dress and ride a pig in the game if you are willing to pay for it.

Actually the only thing I can be sure of is that ZOS will never get another dime from me because while I can't control their actions I can always control mine.

I will still log in from time to time, but will no longer be vested in this game and therefore have zero expectations. I simply no longer care what happens to ESO, good or bad.

Holycannoli · January 2015

Rodario wrote: »

Spellcrafting WILL be added. At 100 crowns per spell component.

Yep. I gave you a LOL for that. Funny and probably true.

And I hope they know the selling point of the justice system, the one thing that made people look forward to it, was the PvP. We don't care about having to sneak to take something from someone's desk, we care about being able to hunt down criminals or be a hunted criminal. I mean who cares about the justice system without PvP?

kevlarto_ESO · January 2015

What I got out of what they said was it will be released in intervals and the pvp element will be released when everything is working, this is a huge change to the game, everything from npc reactions to new vo's all need to be working before the pvp part starts.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

What I got out of what they said was it will be released in intervals and the pvp element will be released when everything is working, this is a huge change to the game, everything from npc reactions to new vo's all need to be working before the pvp part starts.

He said if/when tho not just when. Seems to me to imply they might not be able to execute that part to the point they feel comfortable adding it to the live servers.

I_killed_Vivec · January 2015

Rodario wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

wait wut!? pay to enforce law f*** that ima be a thief

if they dont add the pvp element then that would be another lie they told us... next thing they'll tell us spell crafting wont ever release...

Spellcrafting WILL be added. At 100 crowns per spell component.

P2W

But probably not due to arrive anytime soon...

1.6 is so late because of balancing issues - remember how scared they were converting XP to CP so they went to a flat 30CP before going back to a conversion rate half that originally envisaged?

Spellcrafting, PvP, VR removal - all involve balancing issues, and I suspect all will be "delayed".

Probably delayed into oblivion...

Koensol · January 2015

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

What I got out of what they said was it will be released in intervals and the pvp element will be released when everything is working, this is a huge change to the game, everything from npc reactions to new vo's all need to be working before the pvp part starts.

Oh please stop being so freaking naive. This will just be another fkover by ZOS. And they'l keep adding them to the pile, trust me. This game will go down as the biggest management disaster ever in MMO land and even worse treatment of customers than EA.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO · January 2015

Koensol wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

What I got out of what they said was it will be released in intervals and the pvp element will be released when everything is working, this is a huge change to the game, everything from npc reactions to new vo's all need to be working before the pvp part starts.

Oh please stop being so freaking naive. This will just be another fkover by ZOS. And they'l keep adding them to the pile, trust me. This game will go down as the biggest management disaster ever in MMO land and even worse treatment of customers than EA.

I dont think anyone could be as bad as EA lol. Remember Earth and Beyond?

Grunim · January 2015

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

What I got out of what they said was it will be released in intervals and the pvp element will be released when everything is working, this is a huge change to the game, everything from npc reactions to new vo's all need to be working before the pvp part starts.

He said if/when tho not just when. Seems to me to imply they might not be able to execute that part to the point they feel comfortable adding it to the live servers.

My concern is that they may pull the PvP aspect not because of technical considerations, but more so because they received feedback from a segment of players who don't wish to witness PvP anyplace where their PvE-only characters may be.

Heck, I know last year when we Psijic Order testers had discussions about dueling, I firmly came down on the side where I wanted duels to take place in their own instances where I didn't have to witness it other playes dueling. I felt that dueling would be disruptive for players trying to do their own thing.

Ideally, I'd like to have Justice System PvP participants phase out into their own instance to minimize disruption for non-participants. If that's not doable, I still want the PvP portion to be a part of this game and I'll be very disappointed if it's not.

I agree with @kevlarto_ESO that the PvP portion of the Justice System is a huge change to the game. I just hope ZOS isn't having second thoughts about altering the flavor of ESO to incorporate this style of play.

Zorgon_The_Revenged · January 2015

I don't think an unkillable city guard on the side of an "enforcer" player would be a fair "PvP element".

I'm looking forward to the arrival of the Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild "stuff" when it comes and what form it comes in.

I raise my glasses to well considered Justice.