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The future of Add-ons
Ourorboros
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For those that use them, and I think that's the majority of players, add-ons have vastly improved the quality of game play since the beta days. Unfortunately, add-ons and their authors get no love from ZOS, and little enough from us. I'm reluctant to think what will happen if the new B2P model results in add-on authors leaving the game, and their add-ons as well. We have already lost some favorites, like CraftStore. I'm expecting to see some UI changes in 1.6 and/or 1.7, based on the Twitch interview. But ZOS has shown little interest in changing the UI or supporting add-ons. I don't see that changing, especially with consoles in the mix. I know people are emotional about B2P and the Crown Shop, but what do you think about losing your favorite add-ons along with this? It could happen. I don't know if this new model would work for me if I have to use the default UI.
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Breton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
TANSTAAFL--->There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.....Robert Heinlein
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea....Heinlein
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die. "Blade Runner"
ESO: the game you hate to love and love to hate....( >_<) May RNG be with you (*,_,*)
TANSTAAFL--->There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.....Robert Heinlein
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea....Heinlein
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die. "Blade Runner"
ESO: the game you hate to love and love to hate....( >_<) May RNG be with you (*,_,*)
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭this is a really good thread.
That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Soul_boundSoul ShrivenOurorboros wrote: »I know people are emotional about B2P and the Crown Shop, but what do you think about losing your favorite add-ons along with this?
Probably buy them in the Crown shop...
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭I'm sure add ons are overpowered anyway They probably need to be nerfed.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Rantahu✭✭Because more people are going to end up playing the game due it being b2p there should be more addons. Right now the add-on library is pretty small and some are pretty outdated. Hopefully ESO bring b2p will attract people/devlopers to make apps.
Plus addons are pretty easy to make. It written in lua which is a pretty straight forward language.8 -
Rantahu✭✭Soul_bound wrote: »Ourorboros wrote: »I know people are emotional about B2P and the Crown Shop, but what do you think about losing your favorite add-ons along with this?
Probably buy them in the Crown shop...
If they added user made addons to the crown shop more Developers would create addons.
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✭✭Soul_bound wrote: »Ourorboros wrote: »I know people are emotional about B2P and the Crown Shop, but what do you think about losing your favorite add-ons along with this?
Probably buy them in the Crown shop...
If they added user made addons to the crown shop more Developers would create addons.
ZOS would have to get more involved in add-on process before this happens. They don't write them, and I'm sure they would have to get authors permission. And if I was an author, I would want to get paid for my work.PC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
TANSTAAFL--->There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.....Robert Heinlein
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea....Heinlein
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die. "Blade Runner"
ESO: the game you hate to love and love to hate....( >_<) May RNG be with you (*,_,*)1 -
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✭✭✭✭If anything some of the older addon authors may come back given that anyone that has purchased the game will be able to login. Other than just plain not liking the game, there no reason for someone that is currently not subscribed not to login.
I know a couple of addon authors maintain addons without even having a subscription, so at least this will make it easier for them to maintain their addons.
I suspect that the influx of players may also bring some new addon authors.Edited by timidobserver on January 22, 2015 6:26AMV16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
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V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
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Heishi✭✭✭✭✭I had not even considered the future of Add-ons outside of the fact that they would all break at the 1.6 launch and have to be updated... but if there's no one to update it because they all leave.
Maybe we can get @Wykkyd to weigh in. Last I recall he already seemed to be at his wits end with ZOS' stunts. If we lose big names like him we may as well go without add-ons or try to use the "fix all" libraries that are supposed to make out of date add-ons work again.
Hopefully @timidobserver is right though.And so did many brave men, women, and beast fall to the end of Beta, never to be heard from again. All that is left, is whispers of the adventures they had.0 -
Razzak✭✭✭✭✭Imagine how console crowd will react when they learn we get to play with add-ons and they can't. What will ZOS do?1
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭Imagine how console crowd will react when they learn we get to play with add-ons and they can't. What will ZOS do?
they are going to nerf the add ons to make the console players happy.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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We already have a model for this....Skyrim. Mod community is still active for PCs, console users are SOL.PC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
TANSTAAFL--->There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.....Robert Heinlein
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea....Heinlein
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die. "Blade Runner"
ESO: the game you hate to love and love to hate....( >_<) May RNG be with you (*,_,*)0 -
Khivas_Carrick✭✭✭✭✭Add-Ons/UI Changes that ZoS needs to implement themselves:
1) A built in DPS meter.
2) Different inventory display options.
3) Optional Mini-Map for those that really want it.
4) CraftStore/Guild Trader price listings, things of that nature.
5) Better toolbars for tracking Horse Feedings, EXP, numbers on life bars, player information being displayed when looking at them, basically ggFrames or Azura or FTC but built in.
If ZoS does not want to do this *** themselves, then they need to stop peeing all over the Mod Writers and hire them full time for their work, really that simple.
Also I really like the proposed idea of having Mod Makers sell their goods through the Crown Shop. THAT would be an incentive to both make mods and sub for Crowns, without it being Pay To Win.Bobbity Boop, this game might become poop, but I'll still play because I'm just a pile of goop!5 -
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Page Sage said in the twitch stream that he was going to be playing console. Even the captain is abandoning ship XD Explains the making console players happy anyways.And so did many brave men, women, and beast fall to the end of Beta, never to be heard from again. All that is left, is whispers of the adventures they had.2 -
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So you're say Sage doesn't give a rat's ass about add-ons?
Page Sage said in the twitch stream that he was going to be playing console. Even the captain is abandoning ship XD Explains the making console players happy anyways.
PC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
TANSTAAFL--->There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.....Robert Heinlein
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea....Heinlein
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die. "Blade Runner"
ESO: the game you hate to love and love to hate....( >_<) May RNG be with you (*,_,*)1 -
Heishi✭✭✭✭✭Ourorboros wrote: »
So you're say Sage doesn't give a rat's ass about add-ons?
Page Sage said in the twitch stream that he was going to be playing console. Even the captain is abandoning ship XD Explains the making console players happy anyways.
I would never dream to put words in a high paying executive's mouth or state how they feel about something. That would be wrong of me. I simply posted an observation about something I saw and noted it as a plausible explanation for an increased focus on consoles. The rest is up for others to infer as they will
And so did many brave men, women, and beast fall to the end of Beta, never to be heard from again. All that is left, is whispers of the adventures they had.1 -
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I'd have a few problems with no addons. the UI is good for some but I wouldnt like to play without a few items.This is were my signature would be if I was allowed one.0 -
Lied✭✭✭Because more people are going to end up playing the game due it being b2p there should be more addons. Right now the add-on library is pretty small and some are pretty outdated. Hopefully ESO bring b2p will attract people/devlopers to make apps.
/agree
When it's hard to even find an up-to-date character builder among the ones that were abandoned X patches ago, job #1 is getting more people in the game.0 -
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✭More add on authors who won't need to pay a sub while they make awesome stuff for the rest of us.0 -
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They don't have a choice. Changes to the game are a violation of PSN/XBL ToS.
Which is another reason I wish I could play my characters on both. I need the add ons to help get skyshards, lorebooks, and clear zones.Edited by SFBryan18 on January 22, 2015 2:03PM0 -
burningcrow✭✭✭Probably something they didn't even think about and will face when the time comes. By that time it will be too late.0 -
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✭Honestly, this is the biggest fear I have with this whole F2P debacle. I can't play without my addons (yes, the stock interface is so awful, I would quit playing if I couldn't use addons).
If we start losing addons because the addon devs quit, that's what's going to kill this game the fastest for me.3 -
Naivefanboi✭✭✭✭hopefully all the addon authors give them what they deserve and stop helping them fix their game for free.
after all the ESo dev team is flawless and perfect so there is no need to question their all mighty ui. just like there is no need to question any of their decisions right? just stfu and keep spenden2 -
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They don't have a choice. Changes to the game are a violation of PSN/XBL ToS.
Which is another reason I wish I could play my characters on both. I need the add ons to help get skyshards, lorebooks, and clear zones.
yea we do, dont buy the game. see how that choice changes things? but now im sure eso will sell as well as skyrim or destiny lol0 -
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Page Sage said in the twitch stream that he was going to be playing console. Even the captain is abandoning ship XD Explains the making console players happy anyways.
yea ill be laughin at the empty zones on console when i log on
geee wonder why no one is making addons for this compared to other games........ there couldnt be a commone factor amongst them right? nope just coincidence i thought soBecause more people are going to end up playing the game due it being b2p there should be more addons. Right now the add-on library is pretty small and some are pretty outdated. Hopefully ESO bring b2p will attract people/devlopers to make apps.
Plus addons are pretty easy to make. It written in lua which is a pretty straight forward language.
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✭jjf42001_ESO wrote: »
They don't have a choice. Changes to the game are a violation of PSN/XBL ToS.
Which is another reason I wish I could play my characters on both. I need the add ons to help get skyshards, lorebooks, and clear zones.
yea we do, dont buy the game. see how that choice changes things? but now im sure eso will sell as well as skyrim or destiny lol
I stopped buying COD after Black Ops 2, and they are still making it. I hear each version is getting worse, just like I expected. COD was always a terrible game and I refuse to buy it. Doesn't mean it won't continue to sell. I bet this forum has very little influence on how many copies of ESO sells on console.Edited by SFBryan18 on January 22, 2015 2:21PM1 -
Aenra✭✭✭✭personally, no worries whatsoever. Will make do one way or another, just as i have in other MMOs
and probably half-off topic, but since we are talking about continuation of addons..
a huge, huge thanks (again!) to @Garkin for all the work he has put out thus far, for all the help he has given to so many people, myself included god help him, for all the addons i wouldn't have been able to continue to use without him
(am probably being unfair by not mentioning others as well, but i believe Garkin sure has earned it)Pride, honour and purity4 -
Heishi✭✭✭✭✭jjf42001_ESO wrote: »yea ill be laughin at the empty zones on console when i log on
Yeah, I suspect there will be a lot of them. Especially since everything is segregated. PC/Mac plays with PC/Mac, XB1 with XB1, and PS4 with PS4. Dividing up an already lackluster population will probably leave things pretty barren.And so did many brave men, women, and beast fall to the end of Beta, never to be heard from again. All that is left, is whispers of the adventures they had.2 -
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i also feel huge gratitude is due to @Garkin. Also to @Wykkyd and @katkat42 among others I am familiar with. There are many others whose names I don't know, but have contributed greatly with awesome add-ons. Hope you guys will be sticking around, at least until my sub runs out
a huge, huge thanks (again!) to @Garkin for all the work he has put out thus far, for all the help he has given to so many people, myself included god help him, for all the addons i wouldn't have been able to continue to use without him
(am probably being unfair by not mentioning others as well, but i believe Garkin sure has earned it) . Edited by Ourorboros on January 22, 2015 5:21PMPC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
TANSTAAFL--->There ain't no such thing as a free lunch.....Robert Heinlein
Women and cats will do as they please, and men and dogs should relax and get used to the idea....Heinlein
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears...in...rain. Time to die. "Blade Runner"
ESO: the game you hate to love and love to hate....( >_<) May RNG be with you (*,_,*)4
