This forum is a foul place today

celticstorm

We need more fresh and positive people in the community to make sure they keep listening to us and improving on the game we already like. No one's played their new model yet so calm down.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Trolling & Baiting]

Sarah_Lynn

This forum is always a foul place.

TX12001rwb17_ESO

tell me about it

ashlee17

Ironic thread?

Nikolas

celticstorm wrote: »

I hope 99% of you quit like you're threatening. We need more fresh and positive people in the community to make sure they keep listening to us and improving on the game we already like. No one's played their new model yet so calm down.

Its because of people like you that gaming companies continue to **** us every time. "Positive" is not an option when someone don't deserve to be positive with him. Anyway, have fun with The Elder Store Online, wish you the best bargains in the future

Mangybeard

Lots of sweet rolls were stolen on this day.

We few survivors will look back on it as the day of...

The Missing Sweet Rolls.

SFBryan18

It's bitter-sweet.

Fruity_Ninja

celticstorm wrote: »

I hope 99% of you quit like you're threatening. We need more fresh and positive people in the community to make sure they keep listening to us and improving on the game we already like. No one's played their new model yet so calm down.

True story inbound.

I actually stopped playing for 2 months and came back around a month ago. I kept my sub going the whole time though. My reason- I was reading too much of this forum and the amount of whinging and childish behaviour gave me the equivalent of online ebola.

I shouldn't have let it affect me like that to be honest, but damn.

Although it is to be expected in a gaming forum, as it seems to be a very entitled generation currently in existence.

Anyway +1 OP I'm with you on this one. Fresh and positive feedback and discussions go a long way to making ESO a fun place to come to.

SantieClaws

The forum is foul today because a foul announcement was made yesterday.

Don't expect to smell roses just one day after the elephant pooped.

WraithAzraiel

Are you new here? This place has been toxic since beta.

SFBryan18

Fruity_Ninja wrote: »

celticstorm wrote: »

I hope 99% of you quit like you're threatening. We need more fresh and positive people in the community to make sure they keep listening to us and improving on the game we already like. No one's played their new model yet so calm down.

True story inbound.

I actually stopped playing for 2 months and came back around a month ago. I kept my sub going the whole time though. My reason- I was reading too much of this forum and the amount of whinging and childish behaviour gave me the equivalent of online ebola.

I shouldn't have let it affect me like that to be honest, but damn.

Although it is to be expected in a gaming forum, as it seems to be a very entitled generation currently in existence.

Anyway +1 OP I'm with you on this one. Fresh and positive feedback and discussions go a long way to making ESO a fun place to come to.

Damn, you have almost the exact same story as me. I left for a couple months because this forum was making the game seem terrible. When my six month sub was about to run out, I came back in December to give it one more try. I gave it every chance I could by joining some trading guilds, and I got hooked again. These forums will consume your soul if you let them.

Mathius_Mordred

Gotta love the irony of someone complaining about people complaining LOL

SFBryan18

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Gotta love the irony of someone complaining about people complaining LOL

When in Rome...

WraithAzraiel

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Gotta love the irony of someone complaining about people complaining LOL

When in Rome...

Get a tetanus shot.

celticstorm

Not really complaining, just pleading for more positivity. I don't necessarily think people should NOT speak their minds... but the people that are optimistic should be heard too.

I_killed_Vivec

People quit the game because they don't like the forums?

In another thread I read about someone who was also complaining about the complainers (ethics) - they had played the free 30 days and had then quit "this abomination of a game".

I just don't get it... don't people play games they enjoy and leave the ones they don't? Or is that simply too rational for most people?

I understand why people are concerned about the changes - change can be threatening. Some people want to voice their disgust, that's their prerogative. Some people want to wait and see, or even view the change as positive, again that's their prerogative.

No need to get your knickers in a twist

SFBryan18

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

People quit the game because they don't like the forums?

In another thread I read about someone who was also complaining about the complainers (ethics) - they had played the free 30 days and had then quit "this abomination of a game".

I just don't get it... don't people play games they enjoy and leave the ones they don't? Or is that simply too rational for most people?

I understand why people are concerned about the changes - change can be threatening. Some people want to voice their disgust, that's their prerogative. Some people want to wait and see, or even view the change as positive, again that's their prerogative.

No need to get your knickers in a twist

It's hard to explain, but the forums can effect how you think of the game. It really depends on how involved you get, and sometimes a short break is good to refresh your thought process. Personally, I have an addictive personality and I find the forums for any game I play very interesting. Learning to control this addiction is not always easy, especially when there is drama.

Fruity_Ninja

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

People quit the game because they don't like the forums?

For the record I kept my sub running and always planned to come back.

But the toxicity really began to shape how I felt about the place.

You'd probably be surprised how much people are affected by other people's behaviour in a community. No different to a community you would be a part of in 'real' life.

Anyways I make it a point to try help people in game for that very reason. Good example was a new player who was asking questions in zone, I ended up getting in an in depth conversation via whisper with them. After I realised he/she was learning blacksmithing I decided to craft 50 low level iron daggers for them for free. I went through the trading and deconstruction process with them, and helped them really level up their smithing in the process. Small things go a long way, in game and on the forums. What did it cost me, some iron ingots and time? What did it achieve, hopefully a new player that sticks around for the long run and may extend the same kindness and knowledge to another new player in the future.

We should all take a responsibility to make ESO a good place to be, that's what keeps many coming back. There's enough a/holes in real life, a game should be everyone's escape from all that.

SFBryan18

Fruity_Ninja wrote: »

I_killed_Vivec wrote: »

People quit the game because they don't like the forums?

For the record I kept my sub running and always planned to come back.

But the toxicity really began to shape how I felt about the place.

You'd probably be surprised how much people are affected by other people's behaviour in a community. No different to a community you would be a part of in 'real' life.

Anyways I make it a point to try help people in game for that very reason. Good example was a new player who was asking questions in zone, I ended up getting in an in depth conversation via whisper with them. After I realised he/she was learning blacksmithing I decided to craft 50 low level iron daggers for them for free. I went through the trading and deconstruction process with them, and helped them really level up their smithing in the process. Small things go a long way, in game and on the forums. What did it cost me, some iron ingots and time? What did it achieve, hopefully a new player that sticks around for the long run and may extend the same kindness and knowledge to another new player in the future.

We should all take a responsibility to make ESO a good place to be, that's what keeps many coming back. There's enough a/holes in real life, a game should be everyone's escape from all that.

While I won't craft for free, I have made an effort to inform players of add ons that might help them. Just like when Skyrim was fresh and I would always try to help people find the mods they needed if I knew of them. Part of the luxury of interacting with other people is that they can answer questions for you and eventually you can be the one to give back to the community by helping others.

Spottswoode

Mathius_Mordred wrote: »

Gotta love the irony of someone complaining about people complaining LOL

@Nazon_Katts You're needed here.

In all seriousness, the reaction is to be expected. I'm not quitting the game quite yet but if ZOS can't manage to navigate the treacherous path of content v.s. glitter I'll be quitting soon. I play F2P games (just check my games list) so I'll give this a chance.

Muizer

celticstorm wrote: »

I hope 99% of you quit like you're threatening. We need more fresh and positive people in the community to make sure they keep listening to us and improving on the game we already like. No one's played their new model yet so calm down.

I have no issue with ZoS making the game buy to play with new content in the form of DLC for those who hate the subscription model.

Selling in-game advantages through premium and time-savers through cash-shops though, while limited in current plans, really should have stayed a no-go area if they'd wanted to remain true to their philosophy.

In short, overnight ZoS have made themselves an unreliable business partner. It's not strange people wonder if they want to keep investing time in the game when the future of the game has suddenly become very uncertain.

phairdon

Not sure I would class the forums as being toxic. Very negative at times but not toxic. Everyone has a right to voice their opinions, whether we agree or not.

Razzak

celticstorm wrote: »

I hope 99% of you quit like you're threatening. We need more fresh and positive people in the community to make sure they keep listening to us and improving on the game we already like. No one's played their new model yet so calm down.

Listening? Were they so far? I guess this conversion to B2P is a direct result of them listening to us, right? And it's not a new model, it's a model that's been out there for years and it turned bad in every single case, so far.

Zershar_Vemod

OP is new to the Internet it seems.

I don't blame the anger at all, it's pretty justified at this point.

SFBryan18

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

OP is new to the Internet it seems.

I don't blame the anger at all, it's pretty justified at this point.

More like expected that a bunch of people would throw a tantrum on the internet. Just because some people are predictable, does not mean it is justified.

Zershar_Vemod

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

OP is new to the Internet it seems.

I don't blame the anger at all, it's pretty justified at this point.

More like expected that a bunch of people would throw a tantrum on the internet. Just because some people are predictable, does not mean it is justified.

Well we were given the whole spiel about how this game would stay P2P, they listen to us / our opinions mattered, etc. since day 1. Some people react more passionately when companies make a 180.

I honestly should be very pissed after a third time in a "row" of an MMO dropping P2P over the "recent" years. STO to SWTOR to TESO. At this point, I'm just disappointed that companies have 0 loyalty left to their customers.

SFBryan18

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

OP is new to the Internet it seems.

I don't blame the anger at all, it's pretty justified at this point.

More like expected that a bunch of people would throw a tantrum on the internet. Just because some people are predictable, does not mean it is justified.

Well we were given the whole spiel about how this game would stay P2P, they listen to us / our opinions mattered, etc. since day 1. Some people react more passionately when companies make a 180.

I honestly should be very pissed after a third time in a "row" of an MMO dropping P2P over the "recent" years. STO to SWTOR to TESO. At this point, I'm just disappointed that companies have 0 loyalty left to their customers.

I won't try to argue about their intent, but I do believe this company had a right to change their mind after running into problems with console subscriptions. They probably wanted to make more money with a subscription fee, but they had no choice. That's just business, and if anyone is to blame, it's probably Sony, and more likely, Microsoft.

fromtesonlineb16_ESO

SFBryan18 wrote: »

They probably wanted to make more money with a subscription fee, but they had no choice. That's just business, and if anyone is to blame, it's probably Sony, and more likely, Microsoft.

Er, no, I've seen nothing from ZOS or anywhere else that said M$ or Sony changed the rules for developers .. to my knowledge only Square Enix has ever had the power to make M$ change their rules and that only happened because M$ wanted to try to break into the Japanese market and SE are of course huge there.

ZOS never stood a chance to repeat that with M$.

Ashtaris

I'm really having a hard time understanding the rage going on. For me, I'm still having fun playing ESO. For $15/month, it's certainly cheap entertainment that's usually far more enjoyable than watching most TV shows today, that's for sure. As long as ZOS keeps making it enjoyable by adding new content and other features, then I'll just keep paying my subscription. Nothings changed, move along

SFBryan18

fromtesonlineb16_ESO wrote: »

SFBryan18 wrote: »

They probably wanted to make more money with a subscription fee, but they had no choice. That's just business, and if anyone is to blame, it's probably Sony, and more likely, Microsoft.

Er, no, I've seen nothing from ZOS or anywhere else that said M$ or Sony changed the rules for developers .. to my knowledge only Square Enix has ever had the power to make M$ change their rules and that only happened because M$ wanted to try to break into the Japanese market and SE are of course huge there.

ZOS never stood a chance to repeat that with M$.

OK, so they had high hopes and were shut down. Whatever happened is done. Time to move forward.

BlueIllyrian

Ashtaris wrote: »

I'm really having a hard time understanding the rage going on. For me, I'm still having fun playing ESO. For $15/month, it's certainly cheap entertainment that's usually far more enjoyable than watching most TV shows today, that's for sure. As long as ZOS keeps making it enjoyable by adding new content and other features, then I'll just keep paying my subscription. Nothings changed, move along

Oh good, $150/month is also cheaper than a lot of things.