Its F2P NOT B2P

Amsel_McKay

B2P does not exist, ESO is just trying to get away from the F2P tag... A TRUE B2P option WOULD NOT HAVE a store for anything, buying the box would be all you need to play.

In all the F2P games you need to "buy" expansions with real money.

Yes the "core game" needs to be bought first, but that is the same as buying an expansion pack to start, your $30/$40 bought you the game then its "Free to Play".

When new stuff comes out you can pay a sub and get the expansions (paid) or you can play for free and not get the expansions but you can play everything else for free, you want to play an expansion you pay "crowns" and can buy an expansion to play.

With crowns you can buy potions, exp bonus, mounts, and vanity items. If you have a sub you can by with crowns potions, exp bonus, mounts, and vanity items.

I guess the point is I dont see an advantage of paying for a subscription if you only get 1500 "extra" crowns a month and 10% bonus exp and coin (P2W anyone) if I can just buy the crowns when I need them. make the game a true B2P and remove the subscriptions and the "advantages"

As I posted before this is the same as LoTRO when they went to a "F2P model" the only difference was that the core game was free like a demo... The items could not be traded (like ESO) and the "points" could not be traded. As I have stated before this LoTRO system worked for a while, but what happens is that the box sales drop out and the money is made via the "crown store" and buying expansions (that come out more often, but bad content to sell more) The store will get more and more vanity items, more colors, more shiny and more exp bonus.

UrQuan

The only real difference between B2P and F2P is that the former at least provides a bit of a barrier for gold farmers, spammers, and trolls. If it costs some money to start up a new account, then at least there's a cost to those undesirable elements of the population every time they get banned.

Mettaricana

they have to generate money some how no cash shop and buy only means no more content since they arent paying devs anything. like working at walmart offering your best customer service yet expecting it to be charity.

Amsel_McKay

Mettaricana wrote: »

they have to generate money some how no cash shop and buy only means no more content since they arent paying devs anything. like working at walmart offering your best customer service yet expecting it to be charity.

Its not B2P though, Skyrim is a B2P game... ESO is not...

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Buy to play as far as MMOs go means you buy the box and play like Guild Wars 2. Free to play means you do not have to buy a box to start playing like LOTRO.

starkerealm

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

they have to generate money some how no cash shop and buy only means no more content since they arent paying devs anything. like working at walmart offering your best customer service yet expecting it to be charity.

Its not B2P though, Skyrim is a B2P game... ESO is not...

It will be. I mean, after March. You buy the box, you can play the game. You can pay more to get other neat stuff to play with, or just keep playing. Same deal.

Vikestart

OP, you are wrong.

danno8

Amsel, would you prefer B2login vs. F2login. Is that a better description for you? Or how about B2createaccount, not F2createaccount?

There IS a difference when you need to buy the box, but you seem to be getting caught up on the terminology.

Amsel_McKay

Its F2P... if you have to buy the box once does not make the whole game B2P... the MMO world are just trying to get around the stigma of F2P.

On a side note LoTRO would have been B2P if not for the fact that almost everyone all ready bought the game.

Torquebow

No F2P is when you have to buy little microtransactions to keep up with players who either sub or buy a ton of crap from the in-game store with a black card. Which is also what they are probably going to do,

Vikestart

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Its F2P... if you have to buy the box once does not make the whole game B2P... the MMO world are just trying to get around the stigma of F2P.

On a side note LoTRO would have been B2P if not for the fact that almost everyone all ready bought the game.

There are many different versions of F2P and B2P.

Some require you to buy new content, while others give players new content for free and relies on the cash store.

ESO will be B2P (box price) + new content must be bought or accessed through an active subscription.

That is NOWHERE near F2P. Stop with the delusions.

Amsel_McKay

danno816_ESO wrote: »

Amsel, would you prefer B2login vs. F2login. Is that a better description for you? Or how about B2createaccount, not F2createaccount?

There IS a difference when you need to buy the box, but you seem to be getting caught up on the terminology.

Its because its free to play the game... they are scared so much that it will get the F2P tag that they lose players. Fact is the first "F2P" pay gate is you buying the box, then the game is free.

All you fans wont admit that this B2P model is the same F2P model with you having to by a box once, because you were lied to. The LoTRO model is a better name for it.

Amsel_McKay

Please put the deadhorse graphic on here when saying its F2P because ESO will NEVER go B2P or F2P right?

daktary2001

This is what I read ...

sirston

OP you don't understand the term F2P so...

Amsel_McKay

I will end my sub in March and be playing for free....

danno8

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Fact is the first "F2P" pay gate is you buying the box, then the game is free.

Bold by me.

You would make a good car salesman.

"Fact is all you have to do is buy the car, then the car is free after that!"

Forestd16b14_ESO

IT is buy to play not free to play. Buy to play is were you have to go to the store and buy the game box disc and all that or go to steam find it in there store and down load it after you buy it. Free to play is were you just need to down load it or even just play it on your browser examples of F2P is adventure quest worlds or runescape. Examples of B2P is GW2. It's B2P not F2P.

Vikestart

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

I will end my sub in March and be playing for free....

But you've still bought the game.

AND you won't be getting access to new updates unless you buy them or subscribe to ESO Plus.

That's the difference.

Amsel_McKay

danno816_ESO wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Fact is the first "F2P" pay gate is you buying the box, then the game is free.

Bold by me.

You would make a good car salesman.

"Fact is all you have to do is buy the car, then the car is free after that!"

LoTRO I bought the box... and ESO would have done the same thing if it could not get the Xbox suckers to buy a box on a F2P model...

Amsel_McKay

A F2P game with an upfront $40 pay is still a F2P game... that money wont last long enough for F2P to be the money maker...

Tandor

The OP is totally wrong, but then ZOS have wrong-footed the doomsayers by going for the B2P option rather than the F2P option so I suppose there's bound to be some in denial.

Amsel_McKay

Tandor wrote: »

The OP is totally wrong, but then ZOS have wrong-footed the doomsayers by going for the B2P option rather than the F2P option so I suppose there's bound to be some in denial.

Oh so you pay a one time fee for a free to play game and all of a sudden its ok for a game to go F2P

danno8

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

A F2P game with an upfront $40 pay is still a F2P game... that money wont last long enough for F2P to be the money maker...

Are you ignoring ESO Plus (hate that term) and the DLC?

Amsel_McKay

danno816_ESO wrote: »

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

A F2P game with an upfront $40 pay is still a F2P game... that money wont last long enough for F2P to be the money maker...

Are you ignoring ESO Plus (hate that term) and the DLC?

The F2P user is "unlimited" but the sub user is "plus" how can you "plus" anything on unlimited?

sirston

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

A F2P game with an upfront $40 pay is still a F2P game... that money wont last long enough for F2P to be the money maker...

Uh Wrong A F2P is free from the start such wonderful games such as
War Thunder, Planetside 2, Hero's and General's ,Spiral Kinghts ect. This game B2P fee's which if your member now and continue being a member all this shift does is in a positive way. So please learn terminology before posting things that you don't understand. people still have to pay $40-$50 B2P

Korah_Eaglecry

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Mettaricana wrote: »

they have to generate money some how no cash shop and buy only means no more content since they arent paying devs anything. like working at walmart offering your best customer service yet expecting it to be charity.

Its not B2P though, Skyrim is a B2P game... ESO is not...

How is ESO not B2P? You still have to buy the Game to access it. And you still have to purchase/rent the DLC to access it. You want to see F2P go install Star Trek Online. There is no purchase needed to access the game at all. And none of the DLC with STO behind paywalls.

Stop Fearmongering. And stop spreading bad information. Grow up.

RazielSR

Well, Age of Conan is called f2p and it works THE SAME as it will work ESO.

Amsel_McKay

So F2P and B2P only difference is that you pay a onetime upfront fee... So its B2P now and F2P after... fact is ESO is F2P because they cant go back and give our money back for buying the box... and they want to make even more money on the Xbox users

Vikestart

RazielSR wrote: »

Well, Age of Conan is called f2p and it works THE SAME as it will work ESO.

You can just download Age of Conan and play it right away.

For ESO, you will have to buy the game first.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

As far as LOTRO the OP bought the box BEFORE the f2p switch. There is no box to buy now. Only expansions and you dont need cash to buy those. You can use your points (lotro's "crowns" are called turbine points) that you get free with your paid sub or you earn by playing the game. LOTRO to me is as good a f2p system as there is. I just dont like f2p at all. Same as if I dont like burgers. You can have the best burger in the world but I dont like burgers.