Account-wide Alliance Ranks

Kilandros · January 2015

With Champion points being account wide, what are the chances Alliance Ranks will also become account wide? Player ranking within campaigns would remain unchanged--characters are scored individually, as they are now. But alliance points gains could pool account wide so that even though your other characters don't gain score toward Emperor, they would progress via alliance ranks.

For example: Character A earns 100,000 AP in Cyrodiil. Character A's score within that campaign is increased by x (x = however AP translates into campaign ranking score). Character B logs in and receives 100,000 AP. Character B's score in his campaign receives no increase.

I believe this system would benefit players who enjoy playing alts / changing roles but who aren't necessarily grinding score for Emp or top status. Similarly, such a change would in no way affect those players who do spend all of their time on one character to maximize campaign score.

Lastly, I believe that Alliance Ranks do not necessarily represent accurately player skill within each individual class. I suspect the good PvPers tend to be good across all classes. Thus a high Alliance Rank would not "misrepresent" the skill of a player who has spent most of his time PvPing on a DK, and acquired most of his alliance points on his DK, but is currently playing his Templar. Indeed, such a system arguably better represents player abilities within Cyrodiil, as the current system permits conceivable situations where a player with a high-ranking character (e.g., a DK "Legate") is playing on his low-ranking alt. In the latter, the players skill level is arguably totally misrepresented by his alliance rank.

Elsonso · January 2015

Alliance Ranks seem too personal, tied to the character, to me.

Also, since the player can be in all three Alliances...

Kilandros · January 2015

lordrichter wrote: »

Alliance Ranks seem too personal, tied to the character, to me.

Also, since the player can be in all three Alliances...

AP is still AP, even across alliances. I see your point. But I believe Alliance Ranks say more about the player than they do the character.

Digiman · January 2015

No, they seem more personal to the character as it is you character fighting at keeps and gaining influence over the soldiers and men. It would be rather silly for some guy to come up on the field for the first time and already be a general.

Especially if they are from a different alliance.

Kilandros · January 2015

Digiman wrote: »

No, they seem more personal to the character as it is you character fighting at keeps and gaining influence over the soldiers and men. It would be rather silly for some guy to come up on the field for the first time and already be a general.

Especially if they are from a different alliance.

Why would that be "silly?" I don't think that's anymore silly than slinging magic or re spawning after death. We suspend certain real life expectations when we play video games. That's part of the fun. Don't be the guy who nitpicks some of the illogical things that occur in fantasy worlds.

Curragraigue · January 2015

What about the skill points that come with each rank OP? Are you suggesting that all toons get the skill points earned by the highest ranked toon? This would potentially have a large impact on starting a new toon with alot of free skill points.

Kilandros · January 2015

Curragraigue wrote: »

What about the skill points that come with each rank OP? Are you suggesting that all toons get the skill points earned by the highest ranked toon? This would potentially have a large impact on starting a new toon with alot of free skill points.

Yes. Sure, that will impact new toons. But so will champion points. Remember that the players receiving significant skill points through this are veteran players anyway (alliance ranks take forever.. Most people are still around rank 13 or below. That's 13 skill points. That's nothing).

Curragraigue · January 2015

I don't think CP are the same as skill points. CPs have a diminishing returns, skill points do not. Just as we have to find all the skyshards on each toon to earn the skill points so to we have to rank up in the alliance war to earn skill points.

ZOS wants to encourage people to do more PvP. Taking away the need to level to earn skill points is not the way to do it.

I'm currently levelling two toons in Cyrodiil with plans to level another 2-3 in alliance ranks at some stage so I know your frustration at starting all over again. I just don't think what you want to do can be done easily without having an impact that ZOS will be willing to have.

Digiman · January 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

Digiman wrote: »

No, they seem more personal to the character as it is you character fighting at keeps and gaining influence over the soldiers and men. It would be rather silly for some guy to come up on the field for the first time and already be a general.

Especially if they are from a different alliance.

Why would that be "silly?" I don't think that's anymore silly than slinging magic or re spawning after death. We suspend certain real life expectations when we play video games. That's part of the fun. Don't be the guy who nitpicks some of the illogical things that occur in fantasy worlds.

Gameplay wise it would be, as new players will have a huge amount of SP at character creation.

It's a progression system designed to reward players for PvP. If everyone started new alts with full PvP progression then there would be no motivation to go into Cyrdiil to PvP in the first place.

Can't start a new character at vet rank 14, even though it sounds silly too when you already have completed one.

Iduyenn · April 2015

Man ZOS... please gieve me Rank 12 for my 2nd twink. I did rank 12 with my first twink... you could even take the AP`s from my main (pvp rank 20).... but i hate the fact, that i have to do this only to get my most important skill... please...

Panda244 · April 2015

Faction-Wide, yes.

Account-Wide, lol no.

TheShadowScout · April 2015

Why should one of my characters benefit from higher rank because the gal next door who may also be one of my characters distinguishes herself as archer in cyrodil?

Do people in the military, any military, get accords for the deeds of their fathers, cousins, neighbors, brothers-girlfriends-roommate?

No?

So why should any character of ours get alliance ranks for PvP some other character on that account did?

The way I see it, alliance rank is NOT something to represent a players skill at PvP, which should be a surprise for any would-be gankers anyways. But a measure of how much time they spent PvPing On This Character. How much This Character contributed to their alliance.
Much like skill points gained by skyshards found and quest rewards are character-specific, the gains from alliance rank too should be character specific.

Kilandros · April 2015

TheShadowScout wrote: »

Why should one of my characters benefit from higher rank because the gal next door who may also be one of my characters distinguishes herself as archer in cyrodil?

Do people in the military, any military, get accords for the deeds of their fathers, cousins, neighbors, brothers-girlfriends-roommate?

No?

So why should any character of ours get alliance ranks for PvP some other character on that account did?

The way I see it, alliance rank is NOT something to represent a players skill at PvP, which should be a surprise for any would-be gankers anyways. But a measure of how much time they spent PvPing On This Character. How much This Character contributed to their alliance.
Much like skill points gained by skyshards found and quest rewards are character-specific, the gains from alliance rank too should be character specific.

Do people in the military, any military, also resurrect when killed?

No?

So maybe we shouldn't use real life as a comparison.

Jaxsun · April 2015

+1 for account-wide ranks

BlackEar · April 2015

I would support this. I am not a PVP'er myself so I do not have experience with it.
What I do know is how I would feel about grinding it more than once.
For that matter, why aren't achievements account wide?

TequilaFire · April 2015

If we keep going in this account wide stats for everything we might as well just have a main that can be reskined.
So no I am not for account wide AP as each character has different skills and passives to learn to play and if everything goes account wide you don't learn those skills.

Fi'yra · April 2015

They already discussed this option - there will be Account wide Alliance ranks. ^^'
Not for a while, but in ESO Live they talked about it.

Kilandros · April 2015

Fi'yra wrote: »

They already discussed this option - there will be Account wide Alliance ranks. ^^'
Not for a while, but in ESO Live they talked about it.

Can you link which ESO live said this?

Aenlir · April 2015

The grind for alliance war ranks takes so long that it always sticks in the back of my head when I'm playing alts, that I'm essentially wasting AP. I still play alts in cyrodiill because it's fun, but I'm basically giving up on any progression which is kinda lame. The way I see it is that if it's not feasible to have multiple characters reach 50, then it really should be account wide. Also I think having motivation to play alts would make cyrodiill less stale considering the lack of updates.

Fi'yra · April 2015

Kilandros wrote: »

Fi'yra wrote: »

They already discussed this option - there will be Account wide Alliance ranks. ^^'
Not for a while, but in ESO Live they talked about it.

Can you link which ESO live said this?

I've not got the link, but I can attempt to find this.
My friend was super excited to hear about it, considering all of his characters were high level in PvP.
(I'll try and get the link to the ESO live it was mentioned in)