vampire feed gank...

Cody · January 2015

Flawlless wrote: »

No CC should be unbreakable no matter how hilarious it is to some people. It's not so funny when it happens to you. Also the NB ability Fear still needs to be fixed so that it's blockable. Fear is way too OP.

I agree with the vamp feeding crap, but fear needs to stay the way it is. It is one of the few counters to perma block builds besides whaling into them and hoping their stamina eventually runs out.

If you want fear blockable, then I also want block casting severely nerfed/removed in exchange. Its only fair.

RinaldoGandolphi · January 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

Flawlless wrote: »

When someone can spam it over and over and I have to keep CC breaking for them not to kill me, only to drain my entire stam pool and have them kill me anyways, it is OP. How about having Fear costing Stamina to use? Then NBs might think twice about using it every 2 seconds. This is about balancing the game. Every class can block cast, not every class has an unblockable CC that doesn't give CC immunity after breaking it.

Most obvious counter would be Immovable. You keep it up, fear won't do anything.

Also Medium Pact (or whatever) Armor / Arena Set 5 piece bonus and you won't have a problem with the stamina drain from cc breaking constantly at all.

So why exactly should fear be blockable?

Because every other hard cc ability is....how bout my Shards knockdown not being blockable or getting any immunity...let me spam that at you a few times, keeping you continually on your back...its the same thing.

I love pvp in this game, but if AOE is going to be blockable, and heavy attacks are not interruptible(looking at you resto staff), fear is not blockable like every other hard cc, and they don't fix the talons stun lock that still exists in the game

(a perfectly timed shield charge followed by talons while your on your back will prevent you from using break free to get up, leaving you a sitting duck to die, its very easy to reproduce too)

I most likely won't even bother with pvp anymore. I'm tired of playing a game with so many broken mechanics. Vamp feeding should either be breakable, or the one being fed on can't be damaged until the feeding is done.

I'm not one who really takes this seriously, but i can't believe for one second the developers ever intended for those things to work that way, they have to be bugs, these devs are smarter then that to design a game like that. Its just like cloak, its been bugged for awhile, I hope this next update finally has the bugs with it fixed, and I don't even have a night made toon, but I want the skills in this game not to be bugged.

RinaldoGandolphi · January 2015

Cody wrote: »

Flawlless wrote: »

No CC should be unbreakable no matter how hilarious it is to some people. It's not so funny when it happens to you. Also the NB ability Fear still needs to be fixed so that it's blockable. Fear is way too OP.

I agree with the vamp feeding crap, but fear needs to stay the way it is. It is one of the few counters to perma block builds besides whaling into them and hoping their stamina eventually runs out.

If you want fear blockable, then I also want block casting severely nerfed/removed in exchange. Its only fair.

You can't have one class having access to a hard cc that's not blockable, it goes against the entire precept this games balance system is based on.

I'll be very surprised if fear is not blockable next patch because it screams of an overlooked bug.

I also would think not being able to interupt heavy attacks is a bug too.

Cody · January 2015

woodsro wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Flawlless wrote: »

No CC should be unbreakable no matter how hilarious it is to some people. It's not so funny when it happens to you. Also the NB ability Fear still needs to be fixed so that it's blockable. Fear is way too OP.

I agree with the vamp feeding crap, but fear needs to stay the way it is. It is one of the few counters to perma block builds besides whaling into them and hoping their stamina eventually runs out.

If you want fear blockable, then I also want block casting severely nerfed/removed in exchange. Its only fair.

You can't have one class having access to a hard cc that's not blockable, it goes against the entire precept this games balance system is based on.

I'll be very surprised if fear is not blockable next patch because it screams of an overlooked bug.

I also would think not being able to interupt heavy attacks is a bug too.

there is no balance as long as people can have both high offense and defense at the same time.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · January 2015

Sypher wrote: »

Just for reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJtgj_wf_eM

Why do I find that so funny to watch?...oh that's why, Vampire Feeding is OP says the person who can tank 5 people at once....seems you are the one who is OP, so therefor you are in no position to argue whatsoever.

Vampire's bite people that's what they do if you don't like it then how about become one yourself and you will be immune to it but then you will gain a 50% weakness to Fire and fighter's guild abilities then you will be even worse off.

Fire is our weakness being Food is yours end of story that is the price you chose to pay when you decided to not join the ranks of the undead and it seem you don't want to pay it.

Sypher · January 2015

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Just for reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJtgj_wf_eM

Hahaha Why do I find that so funny to watch?...oh that's why, Vampire Feeding is OP says the person who can tank 5 people at once....seems you are the one who is OP, so therefor you are in no position to argue, Vampire's bite people that's what they do if you don't like it then how about become one yourself and you will be immune to it but then you will gain a 50% weakness to Fire and fighter's guild abilities.

I don't think its OP, I do believe it's a broken mechanic.

I like how you consider my opinion null because I use an "OP build" and your advice for me is to become a vampire (which would make my build even more powerful).

Logic.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · January 2015

Grim13 wrote: »

I take a different tact with this: I really enjoy sneaking up on lone stragglers, feed locking them, and then running away before the stun ends! lol

Just to mess with their minds.

I do the same thing to slow enemy players down or to lure them away, messing with them is quite funny though I once done it on another player 3 times once but I never attacked them because they were questing and I was hungry.

TX12001rwb17_ESO · January 2015

Sypher wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Just for reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJtgj_wf_eM

Hahaha Why do I find that so funny to watch?...oh that's why, Vampire Feeding is OP says the person who can tank 5 people at once....seems you are the one who is OP, so therefor you are in no position to argue, Vampire's bite people that's what they do if you don't like it then how about become one yourself and you will be immune to it but then you will gain a 50% weakness to Fire and fighter's guild abilities.

I don't think its OP, I do believe it's a broken mechanic.

I like how you consider my opinion null because I use an "OP build" and your advice for me is to become a vampire (which would make my build even more powerful).

Logic.

here is logic I am the one who killed you in that video and it was not easy to do I can tell you all you needed to do was move but you didn't why? also becoming a vampire would not make you more OP because you would gain a massive fire weakness and well everyone would blast you with fire which would kill you quicker then that and just so you know you can't gain a resistance to that extra 50% fire damage

it's like your waiting to be bitten just so you can post this and claim about it being too OP.

olsborg · January 2015

ToRelax wrote: »

So why exactly should fear be blockable?

So the people whining dont have to change the way they play, or take measures into their own hand and l2p. It was the same with Streak and the same with dk wings. People whine so zos has to do the change for them.

Sypher · January 2015

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Just for reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJtgj_wf_eM

Hahaha Why do I find that so funny to watch?...oh that's why, Vampire Feeding is OP says the person who can tank 5 people at once....seems you are the one who is OP, so therefor you are in no position to argue, Vampire's bite people that's what they do if you don't like it then how about become one yourself and you will be immune to it but then you will gain a 50% weakness to Fire and fighter's guild abilities.

I don't think its OP, I do believe it's a broken mechanic.

I like how you consider my opinion null because I use an "OP build" and your advice for me is to become a vampire (which would make my build even more powerful).

Logic.

here is logic I am the one who killed you in that video and it was not easy to do I can tell you all you needed to do was move but you didn't why? also becoming a vampire would not make you more OP because you would gain a massive fire weakness and well everyone would blast you with fire which would kill you quicker then that and just so you know you can't gain a resistance to that extra 50% fire damage

it's like your waiting to be bitten just so you can post this and claim about it being too OP.

Do you even know how to vampire?

Listen, just like how you disregarded my opinion because I'm an "OP Dk" I'm going to disregard your opinion due to your lack of knowledge of the game mechanics. Fair enough.

Beerbill · January 2015

After i saw this post i tried to do it live and I have to tell you, is not even remotely an easy task, you have to be stealth, if the target is on the move it's practically impossible to get it right and you must be at melee range.

I was following the person (prey) pressing "x" like crazy and couldn't get it on the run, only when she stopped went to stealth and stand still i was successful.

I found a bit buggy because she tried to break actually performed the break animation the feed stopped for like one second and then just restarted.

About it being OP i have to disagree, because if you can't break it the vampire can't either, once the feeding started you can't stop until it's over, I don't think the damage is worth it and the vampire get as much as exposed as the victim, since he can't move too and can be ganked.

In my case the victim died because some guy attacked her while I was feeding but being completely honest it would be much more effective and a lot more easier to just kill her with the sneak attack, I would probably find less resistance in that way (wreaking blow + stealth crit would hit her easily 1500 ~ 2000 and knock her back ready to be spammed by executes).

olsborg · January 2015

Beerbill wrote: »

After i saw this post i tried to do it live and I have to tell you, is not even remotely an easy task, you have to be stealth, if the target is on the move it's practically impossible to get it right and you must be at melee range.

I was following the person (prey) pressing "x" like crazy and couldn't get it on the run, only when she stopped went to stealth and stand still i was successful.

I found a bit buggy because she tried to break actually performed the break animation the feed stopped for like one second and then just restarted.

About it being OP i have to disagree, because if you can't break it the vampire can't either, once the feeding started you can't stop until it's over, I don't think the damage is worth it and the vampire get as much as exposed as the victim, since he can't move too and can be ganked.

In my case the victim died because some guy attacked her while I was feeding but being completely honest it would be much more effective and a lot more easier to just kill her with the sneak attack, I would probably find less resistance in that way (wreaking blow + stealth crit would hit her easily 1500 ~ 2000 and knock her back ready to be spammed by executes).

The issue is people doing it activelyand purposely, in duos or smaller groups, they pick out a target, try to feed and the rest of the group nuke, theres nothing you can do and you die fast without the chance to fight back.

Beerbill · January 2015

olsborg wrote: »

Beerbill wrote: »

After i saw this post i tried to do it live and I have to tell you, is not even remotely an easy task, you have to be stealth, if the target is on the move it's practically impossible to get it right and you must be at melee range.

I was following the person (prey) pressing "x" like crazy and couldn't get it on the run, only when she stopped went to stealth and stand still i was successful.

I found a bit buggy because she tried to break actually performed the break animation the feed stopped for like one second and then just restarted.

About it being OP i have to disagree, because if you can't break it the vampire can't either, once the feeding started you can't stop until it's over, I don't think the damage is worth it and the vampire get as much as exposed as the victim, since he can't move too and can be ganked.

In my case the victim died because some guy attacked her while I was feeding but being completely honest it would be much more effective and a lot more easier to just kill her with the sneak attack, I would probably find less resistance in that way (wreaking blow + stealth crit would hit her easily 1500 ~ 2000 and knock her back ready to be spammed by executes).

The issue is people doing it activelyand purposely, in duos or smaller groups, they pick out a target, try to feed and the rest of the group nuke, theres nothing you can do and you die fast without the chance to fight back.

Yeah sure because one person could actually survive 2 or more people stealth opening on them?

Don't get me wrong I can heavy crit people from a far with snipe, if a group of stealth players wanted to kill you they would feeding or not.

The fact they feed is just to make more humiliating, like killing someone with a knife in CS 1.6 but, it wouldn't change the fact that they could kill you in the first place (unless of course you use some ridiculous build DK talon spammer facerolls in that case you deserve the feed gank

).

ToRelax · January 2015

Beerbill wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Beerbill wrote: »

After i saw this post i tried to do it live and I have to tell you, is not even remotely an easy task, you have to be stealth, if the target is on the move it's practically impossible to get it right and you must be at melee range.

I was following the person (prey) pressing "x" like crazy and couldn't get it on the run, only when she stopped went to stealth and stand still i was successful.

I found a bit buggy because she tried to break actually performed the break animation the feed stopped for like one second and then just restarted.

About it being OP i have to disagree, because if you can't break it the vampire can't either, once the feeding started you can't stop until it's over, I don't think the damage is worth it and the vampire get as much as exposed as the victim, since he can't move too and can be ganked.

In my case the victim died because some guy attacked her while I was feeding but being completely honest it would be much more effective and a lot more easier to just kill her with the sneak attack, I would probably find less resistance in that way (wreaking blow + stealth crit would hit her easily 1500 ~ 2000 and knock her back ready to be spammed by executes).

The issue is people doing it activelyand purposely, in duos or smaller groups, they pick out a target, try to feed and the rest of the group nuke, theres nothing you can do and you die fast without the chance to fight back.

Yeah sure because one person could actually survive 2 or more people stealth opening on them?

Don't get me wrong I can heavy crit people from a far with snipe, if a group of stealth players wanted to kill you they would feeding or not.

The fact they feed is just to make more humiliating, like killing someone with a knife in CS 1.6 but, it wouldn't change the fact that they could kill you in the first place (unless of course you use some ridiculous build DK talon spammer facerolls in that case you deserve the feed gank ).

No, not every group is able to kill any solo player, even if they "gank" them.
Just imagine that.
They may not be able to kill that lone target.
So they use their great skill (as we all know now) to feed on the target. And because that is so difficult, they certainly deserve a lot of credit...

edit: repaired quote

Wreuntzylla · January 2015

Circle strafe in different directions... Don't stop to shield. Don't move forward or backward in a straight line. Preventable.

Now, if you think vampire feed is bad, I haven't caught you on horseback... And no, I don't mean the cc component after your knocked off.

Junipus · January 2015

So much fun reading this thread and people complaining about it.

Sadly it'll be in PvP until it's a PvE issue (which is never) and until then it'll be worth the lulz to feed gank those DKs who are used to tanking 10 people or the gankers waiting to hit friendlies.

As stated above, there are ways to avoid it since it only works from behind which makes it difficult to pull off unless given ample opportunity. This is the best solution and just means that people need to learn to incorporate it into their play style, same way people learnt to avoid snipe spamming flappy DKs (mostly) or not run alone after a BE sorc.

olsborg · January 2015

Beerbill wrote: »

olsborg wrote: »

Beerbill wrote: »

After i saw this post i tried to do it live and I have to tell you, is not even remotely an easy task, you have to be stealth, if the target is on the move it's practically impossible to get it right and you must be at melee range.

I was following the person (prey) pressing "x" like crazy and couldn't get it on the run, only when she stopped went to stealth and stand still i was successful.

I found a bit buggy because she tried to break actually performed the break animation the feed stopped for like one second and then just restarted.

About it being OP i have to disagree, because if you can't break it the vampire can't either, once the feeding started you can't stop until it's over, I don't think the damage is worth it and the vampire get as much as exposed as the victim, since he can't move too and can be ganked.

In my case the victim died because some guy attacked her while I was feeding but being completely honest it would be much more effective and a lot more easier to just kill her with the sneak attack, I would probably find less resistance in that way (wreaking blow + stealth crit would hit her easily 1500 ~ 2000 and knock her back ready to be spammed by executes).

The issue is people doing it activelyand purposely, in duos or smaller groups, they pick out a target, try to feed and the rest of the group nuke, theres nothing you can do and you die fast without the chance to fight back.

Yeah sure because one person could actually survive 2 or more people stealth opening on them?

Don't get me wrong I can heavy crit people from a far with snipe, if a group of stealth players wanted to kill you they would feeding or not.

The fact they feed is just to make more humiliating, like killing someone with a knife in CS 1.6 but, it wouldn't change the fact that they could kill you in the first place (unless of course you use some ridiculous build DK talon spammer facerolls in that case you deserve the feed gank ).

Im a sorc, and ive survived plenty of doubleganks, but thats beside the point entirely.

sarttsarttsarttub17_ESO · January 2015

THE FEAST NEVER ENDS!

Columba · January 2015

Another stupidly annoying mechanic that's abused in pvp.

Meilinka · January 2015

I was in a fight with someone and a few others on AD the other day and a player came up and fed on who we were killing. It made me feel dirty.
I feed on Sypher when no one is around just to tease him but the whipping I get after I do it is rather painful. Bwahahaha. I'll probably get whipped now just for typing this.

Aoife32001 · January 2015

woodsro wrote: »

Vamp feeding should either be breakable, or the one being fed on can't be damaged until the feeding is done.

This

RinaldoGandolphi · January 2015

You gotta admit though, the feeding animation sucking through an invisible straw is pretty funny

olsborg · January 2015

woodsro wrote: »

You gotta admit though, the feeding animation sucking through an invisible straw is pretty funny

Certainly gotta take some practice to make the blood flow so ...straight like that. Or some pretty strong lungs to suck it all in.

Torquebow · January 2015

Yeah the pvp is unbalanced, this is known. That's why I don't pvp, its atrocious.You want balanced pvp, go play another game. Suck it up cupcake or speak with your wallet

Basically the pvp is this....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ujyUsCnbfrY

Laggus · January 2015

Torquebow wrote: »

Yeah the pvp is unbalanced, this is known. That's why I don't pvp, its atrocious.You want balanced pvp, go play another game. Suck it up cupcake or speak with your wallet

Basically the pvp is this....

https://youtube.com/watch?v=ujyUsCnbfrY

Where is this other balanced PvP game you speak of?

Asgari · January 2015

Sypher wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

TX12001rwb17_ESO wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Just for reference.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJtgj_wf_eM

Hahaha Why do I find that so funny to watch?...oh that's why, Vampire Feeding is OP says the person who can tank 5 people at once....seems you are the one who is OP, so therefor you are in no position to argue, Vampire's bite people that's what they do if you don't like it then how about become one yourself and you will be immune to it but then you will gain a 50% weakness to Fire and fighter's guild abilities.

I don't think its OP, I do believe it's a broken mechanic.

I like how you consider my opinion null because I use an "OP build" and your advice for me is to become a vampire (which would make my build even more powerful).

Logic.

here is logic I am the one who killed you in that video and it was not easy to do I can tell you all you needed to do was move but you didn't why? also becoming a vampire would not make you more OP because you would gain a massive fire weakness and well everyone would blast you with fire which would kill you quicker then that and just so you know you can't gain a resistance to that extra 50% fire damage

it's like your waiting to be bitten just so you can post this and claim about it being too OP.

Do you even know how to vampire?

Listen, just like how you disregarded my opinion because I'm an "OP Dk" I'm going to disregard your opinion due to your lack of knowledge of the game mechanics. Fair enough.

Sypher join the lame DK bat squad and melt to fire with me .. Hahaha

FallenProphet · January 2015

but guess what they're not nerfing, player skill

Oh snap!