vampire feed gank...

kijima

I'm a vamp and never done it to anyone in PvP... EVER!

However, I find it funny.

Why people get all bent out of shape dying in PvP is beyond me. It's just a game, and watching your toon floating in mid air while your blood is being removed from your body through invisible drinking straws is about as funny as it gets.

Seriously, get a sense of humor. I've had it done to me, and I didn't run to the forums about it.

Lionxoft

kijima wrote: »

I'm a vamp and never done it to anyone in PvP... EVER!

However, I find it funny.

Why people get all bent out of shape dying in PvP is beyond me. It's just a game, and watching your toon floating in mid air while your blood is being removed from your body through invisible drinking straws is about as funny as it gets.

Seriously, get a sense of humor. I've had it done to me, and I didn't run to the forums about it.

But... But... PvP videos and ego!

Chesimac

Koopest wrote: »

well, you said you got fed by vampire and his companions killed you while you are stunned. it seems not that unfair. you are killed by 3 ppl. you must have been killed whether or not vampire feeding. oh! are you able to survive against 3 ppl? then, it seems that's unfair. and it's funny to see Sypher whinning about vampire feeding while he is playing OP dk. lol woo! surrounded by ton of ppl and still being able to tank them is much much op than vampire feed lol.

and only nightblade can feed somone in combat by using shadow cloak.
it's clearly limited by situation.

DK not anymore pal. Nerf keyboards if you want to stop skilled players from killing large numbers of weak players. It is a stupid ability and I think everyone knows it.

Lava_Croft

This is the (i think) third thread created about this ridiculous unbreakable CC. I have a tiny bit of hope that the ability to break free from Vampire feeding is one of the changes implemented in Update 6.

Digiman

Sypher wrote: »

Just for reference.

Against a group, yeah that typically happens.

For me its annoying when they are DK's, but really Evil hunter helps a tonne when up against them in a group as I do significant damage against them as they get piled down.

But yeah the zerg batstorm tactic can be really tiresome.

Koopest

Sypher wrote: »

Koopest wrote: »

well, you said you got fed by vampire and his companions killed you while you are stunned. it seems not that unfair. you are killed by 3 ppl. you must have been killed whether or not vampire feeding. oh! are you able to survive against 3 ppl? then, it seems that's unfair. and it's funny to see Sypher whinning about vampire feeding while he is playing OP dk. lol woo! surrounded by ton of ppl and still being able to tank them is much much op than vampire feed lol.

and only nightblade can feed somone in combat by using shadow cloak.
it's clearly limited by situation.

Any class with invis swarm can feed on you. and they can kill you by themselves if they swarm and begin the feeding while you're low health. Also, invis pots, sneaking, it's just easier to do it with a NB.

Also, I'm not whining, I'm just pointing out a broken mechanic. Don't worry, they're nerfing the big bad DK soon, but guess what they're not nerfing, player skill.

i know you are one of the best Dk. i adimit it. but you always have been the best Dk using broken mechanic like shield stacking, block casting etc. and now, you are pointing out vampire feed as a broken mechanic which makes you unable to tank huge grp with broken dk build. i know, vampire feed can be seen as a thing need to be fixed but..it's awkward to see you... who is fond of broken mechanic.. saying XXX is broken!!

Sypher

Koopest wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Koopest wrote: »

well, you said you got fed by vampire and his companions killed you while you are stunned. it seems not that unfair. you are killed by 3 ppl. you must have been killed whether or not vampire feeding. oh! are you able to survive against 3 ppl? then, it seems that's unfair. and it's funny to see Sypher whinning about vampire feeding while he is playing OP dk. lol woo! surrounded by ton of ppl and still being able to tank them is much much op than vampire feed lol.

and only nightblade can feed somone in combat by using shadow cloak.
it's clearly limited by situation.

Any class with invis swarm can feed on you. and they can kill you by themselves if they swarm and begin the feeding while you're low health. Also, invis pots, sneaking, it's just easier to do it with a NB.

Also, I'm not whining, I'm just pointing out a broken mechanic. Don't worry, they're nerfing the big bad DK soon, but guess what they're not nerfing, player skill.

i know you are one of the best Dk. i adimit it. but you always have been the best Dk using broken mechanic like shield stacking, block casting etc. and now, you are pointing out vampire feed as a broken mechanic which makes you unable to tank huge grp with broken dk build. i know, vampire feed can be seen as a thing need to be fixed but..it's awkward to see you... who is fond of broken mechanic.. saying XXX is broken!!

Big difference between broken mechanic and Over Powered, effecient mechanics.

I see your point of view, but you should consider that this affects everyone. Not just tanky or op builds.

Teargrants

Koopest wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Koopest wrote: »

well, you said you got fed by vampire and his companions killed you while you are stunned. it seems not that unfair. you are killed by 3 ppl. you must have been killed whether or not vampire feeding. oh! are you able to survive against 3 ppl? then, it seems that's unfair. and it's funny to see Sypher whinning about vampire feeding while he is playing OP dk. lol woo! surrounded by ton of ppl and still being able to tank them is much much op than vampire feed lol.

and only nightblade can feed somone in combat by using shadow cloak.
it's clearly limited by situation.

Any class with invis swarm can feed on you. and they can kill you by themselves if they swarm and begin the feeding while you're low health. Also, invis pots, sneaking, it's just easier to do it with a NB.

Also, I'm not whining, I'm just pointing out a broken mechanic. Don't worry, they're nerfing the big bad DK soon, but guess what they're not nerfing, player skill.

i know you are one of the best Dk. i adimit it. but you always have been the best Dk using broken mechanic like shield stacking, block casting etc. and now, you are pointing out vampire feed as a broken mechanic which makes you unable to tank huge grp with broken dk build. i know, vampire feed can be seen as a thing need to be fixed but..it's awkward to see you... who is fond of broken mechanic.. saying XXX is broken!!

Wow, QQ harder bro. Unbreakable CC like vamp feed & root + knockdown are actual broken mechanics (considering the game has a CC break feature to begin with). Shield stacking/block casting/animation cancelling are combat mechanics purposefully placed in the game by the devs, and you can find dev statements confirming such.

You may dislike those mechanics, but you can't equivocate them with unbreakable CC. Shield stacking/block casting/animation cancelling all allow room for player skill on both sides, attacker/defender. Unbreakable CC is completely different, it removes player skill as a factor when all you can do is twiddle your thumbs as you watch your toon turn into a punching bag.

Koopest

Teargrants wrote: »

Koopest wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Koopest wrote: »

well, you said you got fed by vampire and his companions killed you while you are stunned. it seems not that unfair. you are killed by 3 ppl. you must have been killed whether or not vampire feeding. oh! are you able to survive against 3 ppl? then, it seems that's unfair. and it's funny to see Sypher whinning about vampire feeding while he is playing OP dk. lol woo! surrounded by ton of ppl and still being able to tank them is much much op than vampire feed lol.

and only nightblade can feed somone in combat by using shadow cloak.
it's clearly limited by situation.

Any class with invis swarm can feed on you. and they can kill you by themselves if they swarm and begin the feeding while you're low health. Also, invis pots, sneaking, it's just easier to do it with a NB.

Also, I'm not whining, I'm just pointing out a broken mechanic. Don't worry, they're nerfing the big bad DK soon, but guess what they're not nerfing, player skill.

i know you are one of the best Dk. i adimit it. but you always have been the best Dk using broken mechanic like shield stacking, block casting etc. and now, you are pointing out vampire feed as a broken mechanic which makes you unable to tank huge grp with broken dk build. i know, vampire feed can be seen as a thing need to be fixed but..it's awkward to see you... who is fond of broken mechanic.. saying XXX is broken!!

Wow, QQ harder bro. Unbreakable CC like vamp feed & root + knockdown are actual broken mechanics (considering the game has a CC break feature to begin with). Shield stacking/block casting/animation cancelling are combat mechanics purposefully placed in the game by the devs, and you can find dev statements confirming such.

You may dislike those mechanics, but you can't equivocate them with unbreakable CC. Shield stacking/block casting/animation cancelling all allow room for player skill on both sides, attacker/defender. Unbreakable CC is completely different, it removes player skill as a factor when all you can do is twiddle your thumbs as you watch your toon turn into a punching bag.

shield stacking with harness magicka was definitly broken. it was not just "shield stacking". it was harness magicka + any other shield which gave you huge amount of dmg shield and magicka back. harness magicka didn't break itself as intended when combinded with other shield spell. it was absurd so that dev changed harness magicka mechanic.

Forestd16b14_ESO

I did not know about this ... great another reason I have to look behind me every 5 seconds now. :-p Guess it's time to eat some garlic.

Knootewoot

I rarely use it, and only on DK's with their flapping wings and standards when they tank 20+ people.

Also you cannot use it on other vampire's so it is hard to pull of since 90% is vampire. Also if someone has "recently been fed on" he/she can't be fed on for quite some time. So best thing to do is stand on open field, let someone feed on you or use the other vampire skill and then PvP without worries.

Also, i don't like bolt escape when it is not use to escape but to bolt over people to stun them so they can't do anything while others pound you to death even when blocking.

And i don't like flappy birdDK's and templar spears with constant heals. And i don't like starwars.

Cinnamon_Spider

Koopest wrote: »

shield stacking with harness magicka was definitly broken. it was not just "shield stacking". it was harness magicka + any other shield which gave you huge amount of dmg shield and magicka back. harness magicka didn't break itself as intended when combinded with other shield spell. it was absurd so that dev changed harness magicka mechanic.

The keyword here is was. It was broken and now it is not. Vampire feeding needs to be another was.

olsborg

Koopest wrote: »

Teargrants wrote: »

Koopest wrote: »

Sypher wrote: »

Koopest wrote: »

well, you said you got fed by vampire and his companions killed you while you are stunned. it seems not that unfair. you are killed by 3 ppl. you must have been killed whether or not vampire feeding. oh! are you able to survive against 3 ppl? then, it seems that's unfair. and it's funny to see Sypher whinning about vampire feeding while he is playing OP dk. lol woo! surrounded by ton of ppl and still being able to tank them is much much op than vampire feed lol.

and only nightblade can feed somone in combat by using shadow cloak.
it's clearly limited by situation.

Any class with invis swarm can feed on you. and they can kill you by themselves if they swarm and begin the feeding while you're low health. Also, invis pots, sneaking, it's just easier to do it with a NB.

Also, I'm not whining, I'm just pointing out a broken mechanic. Don't worry, they're nerfing the big bad DK soon, but guess what they're not nerfing, player skill.

i know you are one of the best Dk. i adimit it. but you always have been the best Dk using broken mechanic like shield stacking, block casting etc. and now, you are pointing out vampire feed as a broken mechanic which makes you unable to tank huge grp with broken dk build. i know, vampire feed can be seen as a thing need to be fixed but..it's awkward to see you... who is fond of broken mechanic.. saying XXX is broken!!

Wow, QQ harder bro. Unbreakable CC like vamp feed & root + knockdown are actual broken mechanics (considering the game has a CC break feature to begin with). Shield stacking/block casting/animation cancelling are combat mechanics purposefully placed in the game by the devs, and you can find dev statements confirming such.

You may dislike those mechanics, but you can't equivocate them with unbreakable CC. Shield stacking/block casting/animation cancelling all allow room for player skill on both sides, attacker/defender. Unbreakable CC is completely different, it removes player skill as a factor when all you can do is twiddle your thumbs as you watch your toon turn into a punching bag.

shield stacking with harness magicka was definitly broken. it was not just "shield stacking". it was harness magicka + any other shield which gave you huge amount of dmg shield and magicka back. harness magicka didn't break itself as intended when combinded with other shield spell. it was absurd so that dev changed harness magicka mechanic.

Shield stacking has been pretty much a big issue since the start, blazing shield dmg anyone? I remember I was hit for 8k in one hit not just once, but pretty regularly by templars who abused the sh*** out of that one, but thats another story...

Teargrants

Knootewoot wrote: »

I rarely use it, and only on DK's with their flapping wings and standards when they tank 20+ people.

Also you cannot use it on other vampire's so it is hard to pull of since 90% is vampire. Also if someone has "recently been fed on" he/she can't be fed on for quite some time. So best thing to do is stand on open field, let someone feed on you or use the other vampire skill and then PvP without worries.

Also, i don't like bolt escape when it is not use to escape but to bolt over people to stun them so they can't do anything while others pound you to death even when blocking.

And i don't like flappy birdDK's and templar spears with constant heals. And i don't like starwars.

Holding block keeps you from getting CC'd by it. Sounds like a baddie.

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO

Cody wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Don't play alone...

so that means.... about half of the playerbase has to forfeit their playstyles?

what a fantastic solution

/sarcasm

Just go to the no vampire campaign

Dalglish

The amount of times people were feeding on me as emp was funny, dont think one time they managed to kill me though.

Knootewoot

Teargrants wrote: »

Knootewoot wrote: »

I rarely use it, and only on DK's with their flapping wings and standards when they tank 20+ people.

Also you cannot use it on other vampire's so it is hard to pull of since 90% is vampire. Also if someone has "recently been fed on" he/she can't be fed on for quite some time. So best thing to do is stand on open field, let someone feed on you or use the other vampire skill and then PvP without worries.

Also, i don't like bolt escape when it is not use to escape but to bolt over people to stun them so they can't do anything while others pound you to death even when blocking.

And i don't like flappy birdDK's and templar spears with constant heals. And i don't like starwars.

Holding block keeps you from getting CC'd by it. Sounds like a baddie.

I try to block it, but im always to late it seems. WHOOOOSH it goes.

Zershar_Vemod

People still hating on Vamps lol?

I'm not sure if they can get nerfed anymore without taken them out of the game at this point.

Minnesinger

Zershar_Vemod wrote: »

People still hating on Vamps lol?

I'm not sure if they can get nerfed anymore without taken them out of the game at this point.

The feeding and its unbeakable CC is the reason for the hate. I have vamp builds, which I use. Even then I see this is ridiculously easy and stupid mechanics to kill other players.

There should never be an ability that is unbreakable cc. They made some changes regarding invasion+roots etc. in order to improve broken mechanics. I hope the feeding issue will be on the table soon.

Vamp builds are as good as before even if they change this.

Joy_Division

Sypher wrote: »

Also, I'm not whining, I'm just pointing out a broken mechanic. Don't worry, they're nerfing the big bad DK soon, but guess what they're not nerfing, player skill.

Don't speak too fast! With the ultimate changes, it does look like they are trying...

NukeAllTheThings

the unbreakable CC does suck and needs t be fixed.....but like some have said, it is hilarious

Sotha_Sil

Cody wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Don't play alone...

so that means.... about half of the playerbase has to forfeit their playstyles?

what a fantastic solution

/sarcasm

@Cody
You can play alone if you want, of course I'm not criticizing that. It's your right. Cyrodiil was just designed for 2000 players, ok I agree 100 per faction right now... just saying...

Cody

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

Cody wrote: »

Sotha_Sil wrote: »

Don't play alone...

so that means.... about half of the playerbase has to forfeit their playstyles?

what a fantastic solution

/sarcasm

Just go to the no vampire campaign

or if one offers some advice, don't offer stupid advice.

not complaining about vampires, but I will call out stupidity when I see it

Vizier

Minnesinger wrote: »

There should be no feeding on pvp players. It is cheesy.

:-/ Then perhaps there should be no extra damage done to vampires with anti-undead abilities from other players?

...whatever. I'm not a huge fan of some of the Vamp abilities but IMO all abilities, whatever they are, should be usable vs other players. ALL of them.

Grim13

I take a different tact with this: I really enjoy sneaking up on lone stragglers, feed locking them, and then running away before the stun ends! lol

Just to mess with their minds.

Flawlless

No CC should be unbreakable no matter how hilarious it is to some people. It's not so funny when it happens to you. Also the NB ability Fear still needs to be fixed so that it's blockable. Fear is way too OP.

Grim13

Flawlless wrote: »

No CC should be unbreakable no matter how hilarious it is to some people. It's not so funny when it happens to you. Also the NB ability Fear still needs to be fixed so that it's blockable. Fear is way too OP.

Fear should only be made blockable if/when block casting is removed. Otherwise, it's fine the way it is. Hell, you can block the entire time anyway.

Flawlless

When someone can spam it over and over and I have to keep CC breaking for them not to kill me, only to drain my entire stam pool and have them kill me anyways, it is OP. How about having Fear costing Stamina to use? Then NBs might think twice about using it every 2 seconds. This is about balancing the game. Every class can block cast, not every class has an unblockable CC that doesn't give CC immunity after breaking it.

AhPook_Is_Here

Sharee wrote: »

Lhorion wrote: »

It is annoying and frustrating because you cannot do anything, BUT the vampire will loose one stage. So this is limited and has kind a cooldown.

Vampire losing stage does not make it limited. A vampire can feed regardless of what stage they are at.

I think the point he is making is most vamps want to be stage 4-4-life. Losing a stage means sucky regens. In this game the higher your stage the stronger your buff.

ToRelax

Flawlless wrote: »

When someone can spam it over and over and I have to keep CC breaking for them not to kill me, only to drain my entire stam pool and have them kill me anyways, it is OP. How about having Fear costing Stamina to use? Then NBs might think twice about using it every 2 seconds. This is about balancing the game. Every class can block cast, not every class has an unblockable CC that doesn't give CC immunity after breaking it.

Most obvious counter would be Immovable. You keep it up, fear won't do anything.

Also Medium Pact (or whatever) Armor / Arena Set 5 piece bonus and you won't have a problem with the stamina drain from cc breaking constantly at all.

So why exactly should fear be blockable?