About those guards.

filmoretub17_ESO

I'm sure its been said and discussed but now its my turn. I don't know how many times we are in the middle of a keep fight with a full zerg fighting for the capture and im dead. Then I look at my damage and behold most of the damage comes from keep guards. I've been hit at v1 for 2900 damage before from a mage and the archers hit me all the time for 900. I can understand they are trying to keep 5 man groups from capturing keeps but man this damage is a little extreme.

With guards this strong it is required that one side outnumbers the other in order to cap anything. The guards should be for protection when players aren't around.

Asgari

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm sure its been said and discussed but now its my turn. I don't know how many times we are in the middle of a keep fight with a full zerg fighting for the capture and im dead. Then I look at my damage and behold most of the damage comes from keep guards. I've been hit at v1 for 2900 damage before from a mage and the archers hit me all the time for 900. I can understand they are trying to keep 5 man groups from capturing keeps but man this damage is a little extreme.

With guards this strong it is required that one side outnumbers the other in order to cap anything. The guards should be for protection when players aren't around.

Roll out of ground AoE and focus the archer guards first. It's fairly simple and strait forward. I know in PvE you can just stand in AoE damage and live generally but in pvp it doesn't work that way. If you took 2k + damage it means you stood in the AoE way too long and any healers around you hate you for life.

Huntler

filmoretub17_ESO wrote: »

I'm sure its been said and discussed but now its my turn. I don't know how many times we are in the middle of a keep fight with a full zerg fighting for the capture and im dead. Then I look at my damage and behold most of the damage comes from keep guards. I've been hit at v1 for 2900 damage before from a mage and the archers hit me all the time for 900. I can understand they are trying to keep 5 man groups from capturing keeps but man this damage is a little extreme.

With guards this strong it is required that one side outnumbers the other in order to cap anything. The guards should be for protection when players aren't around.

I mean this in the nicest way, but this is an experience issue. Guards need to be this strong, simple as that. Their mechanics of doing this damage are quite easy to avoid. I imagine that massive mage damage you experienced either came from standing for several seconds in their big red area of effect or standing on the grate on the second floor so some mage guards from below pew pewed you. As for the archers, if you're near an archer.. hold block. Without strong guards defenders lose even more of the defenders advantage and this game already is kind of lacking when it comes to defender's advantage.

Poxheart

To be fair to the OP, sometimes it is very difficult to see the guard's AOE tells when there are a bunch of AOEs going off around you.

Lava_Croft

If it were up to me, I'd buff the guards to at least double their strength. It's still way too easy to capture a resource solo or a keep with just a few people.

Subtomik

its fairly easy to solo a resource, scale down the guards anymore and there will be video's of non emps solo'ing keeps.

Lava_Croft

Subtomik wrote: »

its fairly easy to solo a resource, scale down the guards anymore and there will be video's of non emps solo'ing keeps.

To all the Dragon Knights out there: Let this be a challenge you accept!

KBKB

Only thing that *** me is archer guards really, they can beeline on you or just randa switch when you don't expect it and shoot you through the grate/off the keep.

Lava_Croft

KBKB wrote: »

Only thing that *** me is archer guards really, they can beeline on you or just randa switch when you don't expect it and shoot you through the grate/off the keep.

I swear, if you aren't constantly on the lookout for those monsters, they will murder you in no time. Why the hell we ever had to kill Molag Bal when Cyrodiil is full of these guys is beyond me.

KBKB

Lava_Croft wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Only thing that *** me is archer guards really, they can beeline on you or just randa switch when you don't expect it and shoot you through the grate/off the keep.

I swear, if you aren't constantly on the lookout for those monsters, they will murder you in no time. Why the hell we ever had to kill Molag Bal when Cyrodiil is full of these guys is beyond me.

Really out of all the posts on this forum you had to make your "I'm having a *** day post" about mine?

lighten the *** up dude can't remember the last time I saw you post something remotely cheery or upbeat. Also it's a valid point they shouldn't be able to shoot you through the grate!

Lava_Croft

KBKB wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Only thing that *** me is archer guards really, they can beeline on you or just randa switch when you don't expect it and shoot you through the grate/off the keep.

I swear, if you aren't constantly on the lookout for those monsters, they will murder you in no time. Why the hell we ever had to kill Molag Bal when Cyrodiil is full of these guys is beyond me.

Really out of all the posts on this forum you had to make your "I'm having a *** day post" about mine?

lighten the *** up dude can't remember the last time I saw you post something remotely cheery or upbeat. Also it's a valid point they shouldn't be able to shoot you through the grate!

Eh? I make a joke and I get this... Are you sure you aren't the one having a *** day?

KBKB

Lava_Croft wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

KBKB wrote: »

Only thing that *** me is archer guards really, they can beeline on you or just randa switch when you don't expect it and shoot you through the grate/off the keep.

I swear, if you aren't constantly on the lookout for those monsters, they will murder you in no time. Why the hell we ever had to kill Molag Bal when Cyrodiil is full of these guys is beyond me.

Really out of all the posts on this forum you had to make your "I'm having a *** day post" about mine?

lighten the *** up dude can't remember the last time I saw you post something remotely cheery or upbeat. Also it's a valid point they shouldn't be able to shoot you through the grate!

Eh? I make a joke and I get this... Are you sure you aren't the one having a *** day?

Yeah I was a little quick on that, in my defense writing that I burnt my tongue on hot tea moments prior. Apologies, for only considering it to be a condescending swipe and not a playful jest.

Lava_Croft

Nerf hot tea!

Asgari

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Subtomik wrote: »

its fairly easy to solo a resource, scale down the guards anymore and there will be video's of non emps solo'ing keeps.

To all the Dragon Knights out there: Let this be a challenge you accept!

I will do this.

Lava_Croft

Princess_Asgari wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Subtomik wrote: »

its fairly easy to solo a resource, scale down the guards anymore and there will be video's of non emps solo'ing keeps.

To all the Dragon Knights out there: Let this be a challenge you accept!

I will do this.

Video or no proof! Good luck!

filmoretub17_ESO

There are other ways to prevent 1 person from capturing keeps and farms. I realize this is a large scale pvp game but when a normal casual raid group can barely handle the guards of a keep then how will they handle another raid helping the guards? Its the players who should be the challenge not the guards. Yet first thing I'm worried about when capping anything is that tower mage.

Eglath

Archers man, those things are evil. I know guards should be strong, and powerfull, but archers need a tiny nerf, and fix to their impossible range and shooting angles.

Well I saw dk emp solo outpost with defenders inside...

Gargragrond

Just shoot the tower mage. The players are the only thing that prevents anyone from soloing keeps (be it enemy defenders or friendly guys wanting to join the fun), the npcs just buy some time so the other players can get there.

Huntler

KBKB wrote: »

Only thing that *** me is archer guards really, they can beeline on you or just randa switch when you don't expect it and shoot you through the grate/off the keep.

Solution: Don't stand on the grate, there are like 10 different reasons not to and the archer guards are just one. You actually horribly hurt your side if you stand on the grate.... how do people still not know this?

LonePirate

Instead of complaining about guards, you should focus your anger and protests on the real demon in Cyrodiil - fall damage. Gravity is more powerful than any guard, archer or mage.

hammayolettuce

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Subtomik wrote: »

its fairly easy to solo a resource, scale down the guards anymore and there will be video's of non emps solo'ing keeps.

To all the Dragon Knights out there: Let this be a challenge you accept!

I've 2-manned keeps before... dunno if I could do it solo though. I like having my banner shackled

Jahosefat

LonePirate wrote: »

Instead of complaining about guards, you should focus your anger and protests on the real demon in Cyrodiil - fall damage. Gravity is more powerful than any guard, archer or mage.

lol I'm with this guy. I've definitely died more from streaking off cliffs and rolling off keeps than from the guards.

The_Man_From_Stygia

My issue with them is when they see / shoot through solid objects...

david.haypreub18_ESO

I'm fine with the guards being as strong as they are...

...except on the non-vet server. Seriously, there's no reason guards need to be VR5 on a server where the highest player is lvl 50.

Digiman

@filmoretub17_ESO what gear and class are you? Honestly Guards aren't to much trouble with a group of 5 or more in a pack. The problem is with players defending with me.

Lava_Croft wrote: »

If it were up to me, I'd buff the guards to at least double their strength. It's still way too easy to capture a resource solo or a keep with just a few people.

Working as intended. The idea isn't meant to trivialize the resources so much that any 3 blokes can capture them.