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A PK/Free PvP system?
Hello!
Maybe a few people don't like this system but, why not implement a PK system on the big world of Skyrim?
How about the possibility to enter the Dark Brotherhood and have random dark contracts on the heads of other players by the night mother? How about to create a banditism system with the purpose to kill everybody in their way? How about to be what you want to be, saving the life of somebody else and being a true hero of Tamriel, chasing all the players killers?
Of course, there will be some malus to kill other people, but this system can break the monotony during pve session. Of course there is a pvp system but I want a real free pvp in the entire world of Tamriel. And this can be immersive for a role play purpose.
Maybe a few people don't like this system but, why not implement a PK system on the big world of Skyrim?
How about the possibility to enter the Dark Brotherhood and have random dark contracts on the heads of other players by the night mother? How about to create a banditism system with the purpose to kill everybody in their way? How about to be what you want to be, saving the life of somebody else and being a true hero of Tamriel, chasing all the players killers?
Of course, there will be some malus to kill other people, but this system can break the monotony during pve session. Of course there is a pvp system but I want a real free pvp in the entire world of Tamriel. And this can be immersive for a role play purpose.
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✭✭✭✭✭Bloodystab wrote: »Justice System will be first step into things like this.
It will be the only step. They aren't going to open up free-for-all PvP. It's just not happening.----
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nerevarine1138 wrote: »Bloodystab wrote: »Justice System will be first step into things like this.
It will be the only step. They aren't going to open up free-for-all PvP. It's just not happening.
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Bloodystab✭✭✭✭KhyanLeikas wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Bloodystab wrote: »Justice System will be first step into things like this.
It will be the only step. They aren't going to open up free-for-all PvP. It's just not happening.
Why not?
He's friend that know someone who know someone who once saw someone from ZOS near bus stop was talking about Justice system being only step.
Also Craglorn was only step for PvE.3 -
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✭Griefing. ZOS will lose subs.Legacy of Kain
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joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »Griefing. ZOS will lose subs.
I need some arguments, like my initial post.2 -
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✭In some way I'm a bit sad that they won't go down this road with the justice system.
Why?
Because why should you be able to kill npcs, but not players aswell? You have the choice to opt out of the justice system anyways if you want, so it would basically be like a PVP flag.
But well, a man can dream.2 -
Ommamar✭✭✭✭I have never heard anyone from ZOS directly say no to a free pvp system. I have however heard comments about exploits and griefing being a concern in regards to the first phase of the justice system. So from that you can extrapolate that it is unlikely that a pvp system you can't op into and out of would be likely.2
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In some way I'm a bit sad that they won't go down this road with the justice system.
Why?
Because why should you be able to kill npcs, but not players aswell? You have the choice to opt out of the justice system anyways if you want, so it would basically be like a PVP flag.
But well, a man can dream.
It's totally my point. It's a bit of RP breaking.
You kill that NPC but not this player who is a witness? Too bad you can't!
You're in the fighter guild and you chase all these werewolves/vamps but when they are next to you, you can't kill them. lol. How logical.Edited by KhyanLeikas on January 11, 2015 8:12PM2 -
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✭✭KhyanLeikas wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Bloodystab wrote: »Justice System will be first step into things like this.
It will be the only step. They aren't going to open up free-for-all PvP. It's just not happening.
Why not?
Because they don't want an even bigger mass exodus from the game than we have already.1 -
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✭KhyanLeikas wrote: »joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »Griefing. ZOS will lose subs.
I need some arguments, like my initial post.
Who do you think the major player base is? Pvers or pvpers? If ZOS starts developing new content that is open world pvp this game will lose major subs. It doesn't make sense from a resourcing perspective for ZOS to develop new content for 2 different player bases when there is already cyrodil and justice system. Pve players are not going to play open world pvp just to get new content and subject themselves to griefing.
Look at all the mmorpgs in the past 10 years that have or had open world pvp and look at how successful they have become compared to those that are pve focused. Some are niche like darkfall, however, Other than WoW, most have alienated their player base to the point of shutting down. (AoC, war hammer, mortal online, Tera, and etc.,) unfortunately, open world pvp models just don't work. all it does is spread hate and discontent among the player base due to griefing. The models that work have a hybrid approach like swtor or rift.
Now don't get me wrong, I would love to play open world pvp because I am a pvper, but also understand that The majority of the player base is pve and its not a business model that works, and ZOS has limited resources.
Is that a good enough argument for you? Need further explaination?Edited by LegacyDM on January 11, 2015 9:15PMLegacy of Kain
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joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »KhyanLeikas wrote: »joshdm2001_ESO wrote: »Griefing. ZOS will lose subs.
I need some arguments, like my initial post.
Who do you think the major player base is? Pvers or pvpers? If ZOS starts developing new content that is open world pvp this game will lose major subs. It doesn't make sense from a resourcing perspective for ZOS to develop new content for 2 different player bases when there is already cyrodil and justice system. Pve players are not going to play open world pvp just to get new content and subject themselves to griefing.
Look at all the mmorpgs in the past 10 years that have or had open world pvp and look at how successful they have become compared to those that are pve focused. Some are niche like darkfall, however, Other than WoW, most have alienated their player base to the point of shutting down. (AoC, war hammer, mortal online, Tera, and etc.,) unfortunately, open world pvp models just don't work. all it does is spread hate and discontent among the player base due to griefing. The models that work have a hybrid approach like swtor or rift.
Now don't get me wrong, I would love to play open world pvp because I am a pvper, but also understand that The majority of the player base is pve and its not a business model that works, and ZOS has limited resources.
Is that a good enough argument for you? Need further explaination?
Don't need to be agressive. Arguments was needed.
I accept all opinions although I don't agree with you.
TESO have a potential to be Open PvP but not entirely. I'm just tired of computer versus player during PvE session. It would give some zest to the sauce.
It was just a suggestion. I'm not devin and I don't know what is the majority of players in TESO. If other mmo are down isn't because of the open PvP, it's because they don't know how to use it.Edited by KhyanLeikas on January 11, 2015 11:19PM2 -
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✭In some way I'm a bit sad that they won't go down this road with the justice system.
Why?
Because why should you be able to kill npcs, but not players aswell? You have the choice to opt out of the justice system anyways if you want, so it would basically be like a PVP flag.
But well, a man can dream.
My hope is now that they have an opt in/opt out system we could see an open world PVP opt in/opt out system either tied into the PVP phase of the justice system or at a later time. It's rather immersion breaking that we can attack NPCs but not players IMO and if it's opt-in griefing is a non-issue.
Edited by LtCrunch on January 11, 2015 11:26PMNerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/162 -
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✭Its bad enough I will have to mind my P's and Q's when Justice System is implemented, I'd quit with open world pvp in full. I don't even want to have to deal with people fighting in the middle of my quest because of Justice System.
It really is what Cyrodiil is for. There is open spots on the map still, they could create a quest (non keep) zone for pvp'ers, but leave pve alone! (in whiny leave Brittany alone voice) It's bad enough my skills keep getting broke bc someone died in pvp land, oh noes!
....you gotta ruin my world too?
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Just opt-out. Problem solved.Psychobunni wrote: »Its bad enough I will have to mind my P's and Q's when Justice System is implemented, I'd quit with open world pvp in full. I don't even want to have to deal with people fighting in the middle of my quest because of Justice System.
It really is what Cyrodiil is for. There is open spots on the map still, they could create a quest (non keep) zone for pvp'ers, but leave pve alone! (in whiny leave Brittany alone voice) It's bad enough my skills keep getting broke bc someone died in pvp land, oh noes! ....you gotta ruin my world too?
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✭KhyanLeikas wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Bloodystab wrote: »Justice System will be first step into things like this.
It will be the only step. They aren't going to open up free-for-all PvP. It's just not happening.
Why not?
Because the internet is full of d-bags. No need to give them free reign to grief paying customers.Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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✭Bloodystab wrote: »KhyanLeikas wrote: »nerevarine1138 wrote: »Bloodystab wrote: »Justice System will be first step into things like this.
It will be the only step. They aren't going to open up free-for-all PvP. It's just not happening.
Why not?
He's friend that know someone who know someone who once saw someone from ZOS near bus stop was talking about Justice system being only step.
Also Craglorn was only step for PvE.
What?Shendell De'Gull - V14 Vampire Nightblade
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✭✭✭✭✭No way, it would be a giant gank fest destroying the game.
Cyrodiil is open pvp so they just need to expand on that and give
pvp more area and content.
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Just opt-out. Problem solved.Psychobunni wrote: »Its bad enough I will have to mind my P's and Q's when Justice System is implemented, I'd quit with open world pvp in full. I don't even want to have to deal with people fighting in the middle of my quest because of Justice System.
It really is what Cyrodiil is for. There is open spots on the map still, they could create a quest (non keep) zone for pvp'ers, but leave pve alone! (in whiny leave Brittany alone voice) It's bad enough my skills keep getting broke bc someone died in pvp land, oh noes! ....you gotta ruin my world too?
I can opt out of having it go on around me? If they could phase it so our paths never cross....great
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✭Psychobunni wrote: »
Just opt-out. Problem solved.Psychobunni wrote: »Its bad enough I will have to mind my P's and Q's when Justice System is implemented, I'd quit with open world pvp in full. I don't even want to have to deal with people fighting in the middle of my quest because of Justice System.
It really is what Cyrodiil is for. There is open spots on the map still, they could create a quest (non keep) zone for pvp'ers, but leave pve alone! (in whiny leave Brittany alone voice) It's bad enough my skills keep getting broke bc someone died in pvp land, oh noes! ....you gotta ruin my world too?
I can opt out of having it go on around me? If they could phase it so our paths never cross....great
It's not a single player game, if you don't like even seeing other players you might be playing in the wrong genre....just saying. Also yes maybe they could separate instances based on a PVP/justice system flag.
Edited by LtCrunch on January 11, 2015 11:40PMNerdSauce GamingLaughs-At-Wounds - Sap tanking since 03/30/14ßrandalf - Light armor tanking since 03/03/15Brandalf Beer-Belly - Tanking drunk since 12/30/163 -
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✭Psychobunni wrote: »
Just opt-out. Problem solved.Psychobunni wrote: »Its bad enough I will have to mind my P's and Q's when Justice System is implemented, I'd quit with open world pvp in full. I don't even want to have to deal with people fighting in the middle of my quest because of Justice System.
It really is what Cyrodiil is for. There is open spots on the map still, they could create a quest (non keep) zone for pvp'ers, but leave pve alone! (in whiny leave Brittany alone voice) It's bad enough my skills keep getting broke bc someone died in pvp land, oh noes! ....you gotta ruin my world too?
I can opt out of having it go on around me? If they could phase it so our paths never cross....great
It's not a single player game, if you don't like even seeing other players you might be playing in the wrong genre....just saying. Also yes maybe they could separate instances based on a PVP/justice system flag.
I love seeing other players most of the time. (that occasional skeever dung pile that jumps in to rob your node/chest while you are fighting mob beside it....I hope they get a virus and die a horrible death)
Busy cities, crafting stations, a full bank. What I don't want is fighting people. Come on, its annoying enough with the random heal spammer in the bank, we don't need fights too. Trying to talk to my quest npcs, or do said quests with fights all over is no fun... would be just as annoying.
Edited by Psychobunni on January 11, 2015 11:59PMIf options weren't necessary, and everyone played the same way, no one would use addons. Fix the UI!3 -
Bloodfang✭✭✭✭✭I can't wait for the Justice System phase 2 to be implemented. Gankers are going to be in for a big surprise, when they will be the ones actually ganked on
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time Edited by Bloodfang on January 12, 2015 12:13AM0 -
Amsel_McKay✭✭✭✭✭The VR14 3600CP PVP players want open world PVP so they can show off their massive huge epeens...3 -
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✭Amsel_McKay wrote: »The VR14 3600CP PVP players want open world PVP so they can show off their massive huge epeens...
I want it for the immersion factor and if it's an opt-in system grieifing won't be an issue.
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Amsel_McKay✭✭✭✭✭Amsel_McKay wrote: »The VR14 3600CP PVP players want open world PVP so they can show off their massive huge epeens...
I want it for the immersion factor and if it's an opt-in system grieifing won't be an issue.
WOW had an opt-in system and as a horde player our main citys had no NPCs for weeks... They always said if you wanted your city back you could go PVP... but with 30-40 max level players just camping your cities.....
Its going to be vampires vs werewolf battles all day and if I wanted that I would watch those movies that teenage girls watch...
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✭Amsel_McKay wrote: »Amsel_McKay wrote: »The VR14 3600CP PVP players want open world PVP so they can show off their massive huge epeens...
I want it for the immersion factor and if it's an opt-in system grieifing won't be an issue.
WOW had an opt-in system and as a horde player our main citys had no NPCs for weeks... They always said if you wanted your city back you could go PVP... but with 30-40 max level players just camping your cities.....
Its going to be vampires vs werewolf battles all day and if I wanted that I would watch those movies that teenage girls watch...
That's not going to happen here. There are failsafes in place to prevent such a thing from being a problem. Also don't even try to compare TES vamps and WWs to that franchise that shall not be named.
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Try: maybe lots of people would leave the game because of griefers. Gankers abound!KhyanLeikas wrote: »Maybe a few people don't like this system1 -
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Try: maybe lots of people would leave the game because of griefers. Gankers abound!KhyanLeikas wrote: »Maybe a few people don't like this system
I feel like people in this thread aren't getting the whole opt-in/opt-out thing.....
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