onlinegamer1 wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »
Part 1: Initial Champion Points
As already discussed, debated, and confirmed by @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS decided to break their promise that earned EXP now,
Surely, as a supposed software designer, you would recognize that a statement made about the current iteration of a project that is not only incomplete but untested and unbalanced is not a "promise".
It depends on the way a promise is worded. Maria's was not one about the current iteration on an incomplete, untested and unbalanced system. It was a promise of a value of our work being recognized.
Did you read something nobody else did? There was no promise made, she said how the current unfinished version was planned, and in the next two sentences spoke about how they still had no idea how it was all going to play out. How does that not come off as unfinished? As for untested - it's still not even on the pts.
ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap.
Undeniably a promise.
Finish the quote. Undeniably a statement made about unfinished code.
Quote is finished, its clearly and undeniably a promise as worded.
Cherry picking from a full statement is cute and all, but I hope you realize the difference - even if you're too upset about the change to admit it right now.
I can understand your confusion, since you are not in our profession (software design), and as a layperson, you don't really understand the quote. For example, you think the quote is from Maria Aliprando. Of course, it's not, it's from Zenimax Online Studios via one of their employees. That is just one example of the kind of misunderstanding most players on this forum have about ZOS' promise.
The business implication in what ZOS wrote in that promise is financial gain via a false promise. As many others have mentioned, they would have simply canceled if they knew the truth.
onlinegamer1 wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »
Part 1: Initial Champion Points
As already discussed, debated, and confirmed by @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS decided to break their promise that earned EXP now,
Surely, as a supposed software designer, you would recognize that a statement made about the current iteration of a project that is not only incomplete but untested and unbalanced is not a "promise".
It depends on the way a promise is worded. Maria's was not one about the current iteration on an incomplete, untested and unbalanced system. It was a promise of a value of our work being recognized.
Did you read something nobody else did? There was no promise made, she said how the current unfinished version was planned, and in the next two sentences spoke about how they still had no idea how it was all going to play out. How does that not come off as unfinished? As for untested - it's still not even on the pts.
ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap.
Undeniably a promise.
Finish the quote. Undeniably a statement made about unfinished code.
Quote is finished, its clearly and undeniably a promise as worded.
Cherry picking from a full statement is cute and all, but I hope you realize the difference - even if you're too upset about the change to admit it right now.
I can understand your confusion, since you are not in our profession (software design), and as a layperson, you don't really understand the quote. For example, you think the quote is from Maria Aliprando. Of course, it's not, it's from Zenimax Online Studios via one of their employees. That is just one example of the kind of misunderstanding most players on this forum have about ZOS' promise.
The business implication in what ZOS wrote in that promise is financial gain via a false promise. As many others have mentioned, they would have simply canceled if they knew the truth.
I am in the profession, but I don't feel the need to express it because I don't fill my posts with useless fluff in an attempt to give it weight. The gaming background is especially hilarious:Nobody cares.
It's clear that you are not in active development of non-user initiated content where you are not beholden to a spec that the user has purchased pre-development. This is developer initiated content - and they reserve the right to change anything and everything despite the tears that follow.
Please attempt to keep your "software experience" hard on in check, your voice means no more than anybody else's.
This is all moot anyway, as nowhere was there a double pinky super secret friends forever cross-my-heart promise made. Melodrama isn't constructive.
Amsel_McKay wrote: »"effort players have put into your game, and it will not affect game balance in the slightest."
A character level is not a measure of effort.
Amsel_McKay wrote: »"effort players have put into your game, and it will not affect game balance in the slightest."
A character level is not a measure of effort.
onlinegamer1 wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »
Part 1: Initial Champion Points
As already discussed, debated, and confirmed by @ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS decided to break their promise that earned EXP now,
Surely, as a supposed software designer, you would recognize that a statement made about the current iteration of a project that is not only incomplete but untested and unbalanced is not a "promise".
It depends on the way a promise is worded. Maria's was not one about the current iteration on an incomplete, untested and unbalanced system. It was a promise of a value of our work being recognized.
Did you read something nobody else did? There was no promise made, she said how the current unfinished version was planned, and in the next two sentences spoke about how they still had no idea how it was all going to play out. How does that not come off as unfinished? As for untested - it's still not even on the pts.
ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »
Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap.
Undeniably a promise.
Finish the quote. Undeniably a statement made about unfinished code.
Quote is finished, its clearly and undeniably a promise as worded.
Cherry picking from a full statement is cute and all, but I hope you realize the difference - even if you're too upset about the change to admit it right now.
I can understand your confusion, since you are not in our profession (software design), and as a layperson, you don't really understand the quote. For example, you think the quote is from Maria Aliprando. Of course, it's not, it's from Zenimax Online Studios via one of their employees. That is just one example of the kind of misunderstanding most players on this forum have about ZOS' promise.
The business implication in what ZOS wrote in that promise is financial gain via a false promise. As many others have mentioned, they would have simply canceled if they knew the truth.
I am in the profession, but I don't feel the need to express it because I don't fill my posts with useless fluff in an attempt to give it weight. The gaming background is especially hilarious:Nobody cares.
It's clear that you are not in active development of non-user initiated content where you are not beholden to a spec that the user has purchased pre-development. This is developer initiated content - and they reserve the right to change anything and everything despite the tears that follow.
Please attempt to keep your "software experience" hard on in check, your voice means no more than anybody else's.
This is all moot anyway, as nowhere was there a double pinky super secret friends forever cross-my-heart promise made. Melodrama isn't constructive.
Its ironic that you would imply that having 24 years of software design experience "doesn't make me more qualified than anyone else." Um, of course it does. I have more experience designing software than some of those people on ESO Live have been alive. Claiming that this vast experience doesn't carry more weight than some random 15 yr old posting on this forum is ridiculous on its face.
If there were exactly 0 threads about this 30CP issue, then maybe your opinion that "none of this matters" would hold some relevance. But its quite obvious to the rest of us that ZoS made a design decision that is both bad in terms of logic, and in terms of reputation/trust with its current player base.
I've suggested a fix to this problem in the OP of this thread that would fix the actual problem - one of breaking promises and eroding trust - without changing "game balance" in the slightest. All ZoS has to do, is admit it's a better option and implement it (or something like it).
As you said, the 30CP "equalizer" will only matter for all of a day or two. So... really the whole argument that some complicated combination of characters should lead to an extra 4 or 5CP is moot.
As was also stated, there is supposed to be heavily diminished returns, to the point they talked about multiplying all stats by 1k just so you could see the difference.
Basically your min/maxers are gonna flail and try to get all the points to boost stats a miniscule amount that will likely be easily overcome by a little more skill on the players part.
For your average player that getting that extra 5 dps so they can have 2005 dps instead of 2000dps really isn't going to make much of an impact.
What I actually worry for the VR14 people is attribute points. Via one of the last patches, they made it to where you get an attribute each VR level in exchange for less increased stats all around. I wonder if they will get scaled down and lose those 13 attribute points or what will happen there
onlinegamer1 wrote: »It would be awesome if we could get some sort of official response to these ideas, even if only "read by a dev" (as opposed to a forum mod).
onlinegamer1 wrote: »onlinegamer1 wrote: »It would be awesome if we could get some sort of official response to these ideas, even if only "read by a dev" (as opposed to a forum mod).
Hopefully they are back from vacation ?