What will be the difference between VR1 and VR14, both with 30 CPs?

Razzak

If both of them have 30 CPs, will both of them be able to do the same content? If not, what will make the difference between them?

PBpsy

My Inferno staff is bigger.

Gyudan

One is a lame grinder who rushed the content and doesn't deserve anything but the stick.
The other is a very nice player who will legitimately be awarded all the privileges in the game. Update 6 should also come with a coffer giving him access to all the great gear received in Sanctum Ophidia and Dragonstar Arena in legendary quality, because he's the only kind of player @ZOS wants for the future.

[/sarcasm]

Jitterbug

One of them has a tendency to whine more? :-P

Govalon

VR 1 player can wear gear only up to VR 1 while VR 14 player can wear all gear. VR 14 player also has a bit higher stats and more atribute points. That is untill they remove vet ranks. And no, they will not be doing same content because nobody will invite VR 1 player with crap gear to trials.

zaria

Well the vr14 will have more attribute points, even more skill points because of all the extra skyshards and quests.
The VR14 will have better gear, crafted VR14 set of good quality as an minimum, an mixture of multiple dropped set at its best.

Averya_Teira

One is VR1 and one is VR14 ... ? Wtf is that question and did it really deserve a whole thread....?

Razzak

Averya_Teira wrote: »

One is VR1 and one is VR14 ... ? Wtf is that question and did it really deserve a whole thread....?

Read more than just thread title.

PBpsy

Oh I found it,One can eat awesome VR5 Sweetrolls the other can't.We win.

Gyudan

PBpsy wrote: »

Oh I found it,One can eat awesome VR5 Sweetrolls the other can't.We win.

Actually we're going to eat tacos now.

I'm not sure if this will be loremaster-approved.

PBpsy

Gyudan wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

Oh I found it,One can eat awesome VR5 Sweetrolls the other can't.We win.

Actually we're going to eat tacos now.

I'm not sure if this will be loremaster-approved.

UNSUBED!!!!!

They can take our CPs,They can take our warlock sets, they can take our ultimates. But how dare steal our freaking sweetrolls.NEVER!!!111!!!!

AlexDougherty

Razzak wrote: »

If both of them have 30 CPs, will both of them be able to do the same content? If not, what will make the difference between them?

Since the champion system is supposed to replace the Veteran System, it will be fair to assume that they will be the same when they abolish the Veteran system.

When both are in place, the Veteran14 character will have more attributes and skill points than the VR1 character.

It would also be fair to assume that in order to balance everyone, they will have to refund all skill and attribute points. Otherwise those who got to VR14 will have an unbeatable advantage.

Audigy

VR 1

Is just starting out with fewer options to gain CPs. He can do Cadwell only, as daily's and trials are not an option yet and AVA is suicide.

VR 14

Has a lot of additional skill points, daily quests unlocked, a very decent shot at AVA XP and of course better gear. Besides that he can do Trials.


If we look at this, then the VR 14 still has much more and probably the easier road to gain CP´s, but some people seem to ignore facts to just make an argument about nothing.

AlexDougherty

Audigy wrote: »

VR 1

Is just starting out with fewer options to gain CPs. He can do Cadwell only, as daily's and trials are not an option yet and AVA is suicide.

VR 14

Has a lot of additional skill points, daily quests unlocked, a very decent shot at AVA XP and of course better gear. Besides that he can do Trials.


If we look at this, then the VR 14 still has much more and probably the easier road to gain CP´s, but some people seem to ignore facts to just make an argument about nothing.

But Champion Points (CPs) are unlocked by account, so if you have enough achievements, your VR1 Character will have as many CPs as a VR14 character. (not to mention those with another VR14 character already).

rotaugen454

Do our skill points remain? I gained a lot of skill points from VR1 to VR14, working up skills I did not use in the main quest, so if I keep those, I still am better off than otherwise, along with the extra gold earned.

zaria

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Razzak wrote: »

If both of them have 30 CPs, will both of them be able to do the same content? If not, what will make the difference between them?

Since the champion system is supposed to replace the Veteran System, it will be fair to assume that they will be the same when they abolish the Veteran system.

When both are in place, the Veteran14 character will have more attributes and skill points than the VR1 character.

It would also be fair to assume that in order to balance everyone, they will have to refund all skill and attribute points. Otherwise those who got to VR14 will have an unbeatable advantage.

Well If A is VR1 just after main quest and B is VR14 and have collected all the skyshards and skill points the VR14 will have more than twice the number of skill points, the VR1 has to earn them doing quests and finding the shards trough silver and gold even if they are renamed.
B will also have much better gear as he has run dungeons and raids.

B will also have much more CP, that is unless A is an alt to B and they have the same number, in this case leveling A will earn B CP too.

IF A and B are diferent players and play as much A will never catch up with B however the difference will decrease as the CP get into diminishing return and A get better gear.

manny254

Audigy wrote: »

VR 1

Is just starting out with fewer options to gain CPs. He can do Cadwell only, as daily's and trials are not an option yet and AVA is suicide.

VR 14

Has a lot of additional skill points, daily quests unlocked, a very decent shot at AVA XP and of course better gear. Besides that he can do Trials.


If we look at this, then the VR 14 still has much more and probably the easier road to gain CP´s, but some people seem to ignore facts to just make an argument about nothing.

AVA and Endgame XP < Cadwell quests

Elloa

Razzak wrote: »

If both of them have 30 CPs, will both of them be able to do the same content? If not, what will make the difference between them?

No both players will not be able to do the same content because it's PHASE 3 and all Dungeons, Trials an gear keep their ilvl and level restrictions. So Veteran14 players would still be the only ones capable to do City of Ashe Vet and Sanctum Ophidia. The Dungeons would still scale up to the level of the group players, like it is now. The Champions points would change nothing regarding that!

This is the very reasons, why, we will not see any sort of compensation for experience gained before the Update6 before PHASE4. I may be wrong, but I really think I'm right. We will see

xaraan

zaria wrote: »

Well the vr14 will have more attribute points, even more skill points because of all the extra skyshards and quests.
The VR14 will have better gear, crafted VR14 set of good quality as an minimum, an mixture of multiple dropped set at its best.

In the case of players that earn xp primarily through questing: And when the V1 gets to V14, they will have earned 14m xp and the champ points that go along with it, where that V14 probably will not have had access to earn points that fast since he is done questing. So the player at v14 now will soon enough fall behind in earning points, just like players that had the 'chieves in vet dungeons fell behind the noobs in undaunted leveling after 1.5.

Dagoth_Rac

I think VR14 already have enough of an advantage over VR1. Way more skill points, 13 more attribute points, much better gear, access to much more content, etc. They don't need a boatload more Champion Points, too. Wait until they get rid of Veteran Ranks in Update 7 or 8. Then I bet you will see high VR players rewarded with more Champion Points than low VR players.

Slurg

manny254 wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

VR 1

Is just starting out with fewer options to gain CPs. He can do Cadwell only, as daily's and trials are not an option yet and AVA is suicide.

VR 14

Has a lot of additional skill points, daily quests unlocked, a very decent shot at AVA XP and of course better gear. Besides that he can do Trials.


If we look at this, then the VR 14 still has much more and probably the easier road to gain CP´s, but some people seem to ignore facts to just make an argument about nothing.

AVA and Endgame XP < Cadwell quests

Doing Cadwell's quests now. The truth is, with the 1.5 changes, XP from 10 random trash mobs > XP from 1 average Cadwell's quest. People who have been V14 for ages may not realize they aren't missing out on as much XP from those as they think they are.

Averya_Teira

Razzak wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

One is VR1 and one is VR14 ... ? Wtf is that question and did it really deserve a whole thread....?

Read more than just thread title.

I did...... I don't get what the OP doesn't understand. They have 30 CP... One is still 14 VR higher.... The end....

xaraan

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

I think VR14 already have enough of an advantage over VR1. Way more skill points, 13 more attribute points, much better gear, access to much more content, etc. They don't need a boatload more Champion Points, too. Wait until they get rid of Veteran Ranks in Update 7 or 8. Then I bet you will see high VR players rewarded with more Champion Points than low VR players.

They are supposed to, they are higher level. That's like saying a level 40 has too much advantage over a level 5 character.

What do you think is going to happen when someone hits v14 after the champion system is out? They will have more points than a v1. This only screws over people that mainly earn points by questing (b/c they can't go back and do quests) and players that have already hit v14 (not those that will hit v14 later and have to earn 14m xp to do so, just those that already did).

xaraan

Slurg wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Audigy wrote: »

VR 1

Is just starting out with fewer options to gain CPs. He can do Cadwell only, as daily's and trials are not an option yet and AVA is suicide.

VR 14

Has a lot of additional skill points, daily quests unlocked, a very decent shot at AVA XP and of course better gear. Besides that he can do Trials.


If we look at this, then the VR 14 still has much more and probably the easier road to gain CP´s, but some people seem to ignore facts to just make an argument about nothing.

AVA and Endgame XP < Cadwell quests

Doing Cadwell's quests now. The truth is, with the 1.5 changes, XP from 10 random trash mobs > XP from 1 average Cadwell's quest. People who have been V14 for ages may not realize they aren't missing out on as much XP from those as they think they are.

Not true.

A random trash mob will usually give around 400-600 xp at your level, sometimes much less, sometimes a bit more if it's like a troll or something.

Most of the main quests give you thousands and even tens of thousands of xp when you turn them in, this is in addition to whatever you had to kill during the quest.

The only way to earn xp faster than that is to grind, and not everyone wants to pay a sub to grind. I pay to quest, so if I can't quest and earn points, then I'm screwed. And dailies (though most are group not solo) do not reward enough points to equal that gap.

zaria

xaraan wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Well the vr14 will have more attribute points, even more skill points because of all the extra skyshards and quests.
The VR14 will have better gear, crafted VR14 set of good quality as an minimum, an mixture of multiple dropped set at its best.

In the case of players that earn xp primarily through questing: And when the V1 gets to V14, they will have earned 14m xp and the champ points that go along with it, where that V14 probably will not have had access to earn points that fast since he is done questing. So the player at v14 now will soon enough fall behind in earning points, just like players that had the 'chieves in vet dungeons fell behind the noobs in undaunted leveling after 1.5.

True, that is why I hope PvP, dungeons and trials gives bonus CP.
Yes it will result in this activities is more rewarding than questing and see nothing wrong about more players doing PvP, dungeons and trials.

As for the undaunted, doing the daily pledges earn you 20+10 reputation each day. Is should not take long until earned back,

Slurg

Wow @xaraan‌ glad to know the 4990 or so XP I was seeing for those time consuming quests last week (which is less than what I got killing 10 random mobs) was completely wrong!

You want to quest, and I agree there should be more quests for you. Hopefully they will be adding more for the new areas when they're released.

But there have been countless threads about XP from veteran questing in 1.5 not being the end all solution for gaining XP anymore so either I'm not imagining things or there's a mass delusion going on.

There are tons of options to earn XP that don't include questing now. I hope that more will be added so no one feels they have to grind.

AlnilamE

xaraan wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Well the vr14 will have more attribute points, even more skill points because of all the extra skyshards and quests.
The VR14 will have better gear, crafted VR14 set of good quality as an minimum, an mixture of multiple dropped set at its best.

In the case of players that earn xp primarily through questing: And when the V1 gets to V14, they will have earned 14m xp and the champ points that go along with it, where that V14 probably will not have had access to earn points that fast since he is done questing. So the player at v14 now will soon enough fall behind in earning points, just like players that had the 'chieves in vet dungeons fell behind the noobs in undaunted leveling after 1.5.

I don't think the VR14 player will fall behind because once the Vet Ranks go away, they will be compensated with CP, and they will have been earning additional CP as well.

Right now, I find the fastest way to level is to help people though the Craglorn quests and delves. It's also a lot of fun. I was finishing the questline myself and I got from V11 to V12 in 8 days, which is a record for me, and 8 days after that, I'm almost V13.

So my current favourite activity (other than finding treasure maps) is kidnapping unsuspecting guildies who haven't done the quests and helping them get through them.

xaraan

Slurg wrote: »

Wow @xaraan‌ glad to know the 4990 or so XP I was seeing for those time consuming quests last week (which is less than what I got killing 10 random mobs) was completely wrong!

You want to quest, and I agree there should be more quests for you. Hopefully they will be adding more for the new areas when they're released.

But there have been countless threads about XP from veteran questing in 1.5 not being the end all solution for gaining XP anymore so either I'm not imagining things or there's a mass delusion going on.

There are tons of options to earn XP that don't include questing now. I hope that more will be added so no one feels they have to grind.

If you really think I've leveled 5 guys to v14 and haven't experienced all the xp gain options, then let me assure you I have. I don't care for pvp, will do sometimes, but not going to do it as a source of xp gain. Dailies do not provide enough (nor trials and the like) because most of that is group related content. I'm not much for grinding. There is no xp gain in the game for my playstyle outside of main questlines.

xaraan

AlnilamE wrote: »

xaraan wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

Well the vr14 will have more attribute points, even more skill points because of all the extra skyshards and quests.
The VR14 will have better gear, crafted VR14 set of good quality as an minimum, an mixture of multiple dropped set at its best.

In the case of players that earn xp primarily through questing: And when the V1 gets to V14, they will have earned 14m xp and the champ points that go along with it, where that V14 probably will not have had access to earn points that fast since he is done questing. So the player at v14 now will soon enough fall behind in earning points, just like players that had the 'chieves in vet dungeons fell behind the noobs in undaunted leveling after 1.5.

I don't think the VR14 player will fall behind because once the Vet Ranks go away, they will be compensated with CP, and they will have been earning additional CP as well.

Right now, I find the fastest way to level is to help people though the Craglorn quests and delves. It's also a lot of fun. I was finishing the questline myself and I got from V11 to V12 in 8 days, which is a record for me, and 8 days after that, I'm almost V13.

So my current favourite activity (other than finding treasure maps) is kidnapping unsuspecting guildies who haven't done the quests and helping them get through them.

I've seen some mention this, and if so, then great.

But I doubt it considering that will give extra gain to players that hit those vet levels after 1.6 and get champ points as they gained xp and then also for vet level conversion. Unless ZoS 'snapshots' everyone's levels at 1.6 and then only compensates those players at whatever vet level they had at 1.6. That's more work though and I doubt it.

Kalman

Well one is VR1 and one is VR14. VR1 equipment and food/drink vs VR14 equipment and VR10 food/drink. You have 13 more Character Points and 13 more Skill Points. They still have the VR system and the Champion System is on TOP of the already existing system for now. So they didn't take anything away. They added a new system on top. They really didn't have to us any CP but instead they giving us 30, which is 30 hours of enlightened exp or 120 hours of non enlightened exp. So stop whining about it. Now how they handle things when they remove VR ranks that is a different question.

Guppet

The VR14 should have vastly more skills. My main had 290 odd, my VR2 has 120. Also the VR14 should be more experienced and skillfull as a player. If those are not enough of an advantage, there's no hope for the VR14 anyway.