MythBusters - ESO Edition

killedbyping

There been rumors that if you do ridicolous amount of Veteran Pledges, by repeating them with 8 alt's every day for 3 - 6 months, you will eventualy have all the Undaunted shoulder's you want (WANT, not just random piece of set), with decent trait and armor type.

But... NO, you Wont.

Myth BUSTED.

AlexDougherty

killedbyping wrote: »

There been rumors that if you do redicilous amount of Veteran Pledges, by repeating them with 8 alt's every day for 3 - 6 months you will eventualy have all the Undaunted shoulder's you want (WANT, not just random piece of set), with decent trait and armor type.

But... NO, you Wont.

Myth BUSTED.

You can't bust that myth, you said they will Eventually get the shoulder you want, it might take them adding the shoulders into the rewards, but unless you can prove the game will end first, the word eventually is unbustable.

killedbyping

AlexDougherty wrote: »

killedbyping wrote: »

There been rumors that if you do redicilous amount of Veteran Pledges, by repeating them with 8 alt's every day for 3 - 6 months you will eventualy have all the Undaunted shoulder's you want (WANT, not just random piece of set), with decent trait and armor type.

But... NO, you Wont.

Myth BUSTED.

You can't bust that myth, you said they will Eventually get the shoulder you want, it might take them adding the shoulders into the rewards, but unless you can prove the game will end first, the word eventually is unbustable.

"3-6 months" aint mean anything to you ?

Kalman

zaria wrote: »

I have another weird experience who might me believe its not random.
Has done 8 run of the huge dwemer dungeon in the fighter guild quest line.
in 7 of the dungeons I have had one page dropped and just one, dungeon contains around 250 containers. With an drop chance of 0.4% you should get one average each run, however why so many runs with 1 drop and just one with none, why no with two?

There is also a timer, about 15 minutes, between when you can loot another page and 2 will never generate in one instance. So if it takes you less then 15 minutes per run your second run is wasted, since containers are populated on load of area. Best bet is to switch characters and do runs with them.

AlexDougherty

killedbyping wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

killedbyping wrote: »

There been rumors that if you do redicilous amount of Veteran Pledges, by repeating them with 8 alt's every day for 3 - 6 months you will eventualy have all the Undaunted shoulder's you want (WANT, not just random piece of set), with decent trait and armor type.

But... NO, you Wont.

Myth BUSTED.

You can't bust that myth, you said they will Eventually get the shoulder you want, it might take them adding the shoulders into the rewards, but unless you can prove the game will end first, the word eventually is unbustable.

"3-6 months" aint mean anything to you ?

Yes, but what I was pointing out was the term "Eventually" has no time limit. If you state the myth with that word in it, then it is inately unbustable.

Or to put it another way I was being a Smart-Alec. Sorry.

TehMagnus

AlexDougherty wrote: »

killedbyping wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

killedbyping wrote: »

There been rumors that if you do redicilous amount of Veteran Pledges, by repeating them with 8 alt's every day for 3 - 6 months you will eventualy have all the Undaunted shoulder's you want (WANT, not just random piece of set), with decent trait and armor type.

But... NO, you Wont.

Myth BUSTED.

You can't bust that myth, you said they will Eventually get the shoulder you want, it might take them adding the shoulders into the rewards, but unless you can prove the game will end first, the word eventually is unbustable.

"3-6 months" aint mean anything to you ?

Yes, but what I was pointing out was the term "Eventually" has no time limit. If you state the myth with that word in it, then it is inately unbustable.

Or to put it another way I was being a Smart-Alec. Sorry.

Sorry but no denying it, u got Schooled by @AlexDougherty‌

zaria

Kalman wrote: »

zaria wrote: »

I have another weird experience who might me believe its not random.
Has done 8 run of the huge dwemer dungeon in the fighter guild quest line.
in 7 of the dungeons I have had one page dropped and just one, dungeon contains around 250 containers. With an drop chance of 0.4% you should get one average each run, however why so many runs with 1 drop and just one with none, why no with two?

There is also a timer, about 15 minutes, between when you can loot another page and 2 will never generate in one instance. So if it takes you less then 15 minutes per run your second run is wasted, since containers are populated on load of area. Best bet is to switch characters and do runs with them.

Ok this explains a lot, then I guess the drop chance is between 1 and 0.5%.
So after finding the page I can just port out and do something more fun
Great to know.

criscal

Well, the one thing I wonder is whether the drop tables are checked with a random number that is multiplied with the character's id. For example I never found oat. A guild member finds it occasionally but never seems to find pepper.

SlayerSyrena

criscal wrote: »

Well, the one thing I wonder is whether the drop tables are checked with a random number that is multiplied with the character's id. For example I never found oat. A guild member finds it occasionally but never seems to find pepper.

You get Oats from Hirelings only but you can find Pepper out in the world (though it's rarer than other ingredients).

Darkrogue671

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

criscal wrote: »

Well, the one thing I wonder is whether the drop tables are checked with a random number that is multiplied with the character's id. For example I never found oat. A guild member finds it occasionally but never seems to find pepper.

You get Oats from Hirelings only but you can find Pepper out in the world (though it's rarer than other ingredients).

I love this thread! ::Writes down to save Oats & Pepper finds::

Dekkameron

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

Myth #1

Generals are more likely to spawn at an anchor if you leave all four pinions open until the end.

(I've had players with Vet rank characters insist this is true, and that if you don't know this you are a 'n00b'. I've also had players whisper to me, upon my arrival to an anchor, 'please do not close the pinions!', yet, when I've practiced this myself, I have not seen an increase in Generals at the anchors. I have also seen no proof of this being anything but a rumor, despite my searching online.)

AHA! This makes what someone was shouting at me make so much sense now!

I was doing a dolmen and some random guy was spamming "Stop doing that!" i was like "Doing what? (as i close another pinion as i needed more stamina)"
He got quite irate, but until today i didnt know why.

jopeymonster

Of what I know through forum research and testing:

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

Myth #1
Generals are more likely to spawn at an anchor if you leave all four pinions open until the end.

Myth #3
The larger your group is, the more likely a General will spawn at an anchor.

Pinions make NO DIFFERENCE if a general will spawn. The strategy to leaving pinions open is to either ninja them all for achievement, or slow the first wave of spawns. If you hold off on the first 2 pinions, you can reduce the speed at which the waves come down, since it won't release a wave if all pinions are capped and most anchors spawn enough souls to open up 5-6 pinions. The amount of pinions/mobs that spawn is related to "how many people/how high players levels are" that are there at the time of anchor start (when the ritual group in the beginning is killed).

The amount of people at the dolmen will not influence a general spawn either. It only changes how many maximum waves it sends, and the appropriate types of mobs to spawn. If there is a large group and all equal level (or a small group with a few high levels) expect either lots of waves, boss style enemies, or a combo of both.

The first problem with generals that people fail to understand is that there are 3 general spawns per zone that CAN SPAWN generals. Given that there are 3 generals per zone to spawn, and only 4 zones to spawn them in, the chances of getting 1 general to spawn, or any specific general to spawn, are still pretty low.

NOTE: The low level 1-10 will NOT SPAWN generals. Only the zones past the starting zone, not including starter isles (which don't have dolmens) will spawn generals. Stonefalls/Auridon/Glenumbra will not spawn generals.

Second, if you want to farm generals, the best place is Cyro or in the first tier Vet campaigns. Every dolmen in Cyro and the Vet zones (except the starter zones as mentioned) have the same chance spawning every general.

Here's a great guide, from Tamriel Journal, that outlines the Daedric Lord Slayer farming. Ignore the comments "tips" from players on the bottom of the page as most are very wrong.

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

Myth #2
Vanity pets can "steal" your healing from healer.

This was a bug and has been fixed for months.

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

Myth #4
RNG accounts for some people having no luck with rare drops.

No true. RNG is just an evil mistress that hates everyone equal. Sometimes, you get stuff, sometimes you don't. What makes things drop right now is that mystical intangible that ZOS calls "finesse". The more "finesse" you build during a fight, the higher your chances of increasing the chance of drops. You aren't guaranteed a better drop if you have perfect "finesse" in a fight, only that you MAY get a better item. This is handled in a shared dynamic if in a group, i.e. if one player has high "finesse" and the other has low, then they will likely have a lower chance getting better loot, but the higher "finesse" player in a group will not automatically qualify for higher quality loot. It's averaged out between players attacking the mob. If you don't know, "finesee" is increased by blocking/dodging/crit damage/ultimate generation/so on...

SlayerSyrena wrote: »

Myth #7
DK class is OP![/b]

/fixed

magnusnet wrote: »

Since we're at it. Power extraction improves the rate of Kutas that come from Enchanting Hirelings.

Is it the same for tanning, temper, resin expertise?

Does having 3 points in them increase the chances of legendary tempers in Hireling emails?

The chance of getting high level tempers from hirelings is tied to your extraction level. Only when you can extract yellow, will your hireling bring you yellow. This holds true to provisioning as well, but it is tied to your ability to make colored recipes. If you can make a blue, you will get mats for blue recipes, if you can make the purple, you will have a chance to get purple recipe level mats.

SpAEkus

@jopeymonster‌

Only when you can extract yellow, will your hireling bring you yellow.

Does that mean that you also have to have yellow creation level to go along with yellow extraction?

The reason I ask is Level 4 extraction is at Enchantment Skill 29 but Level 4 Improvement isn't until Skill 31. Can Enchanting hireling deliver something he can't actually use?

Pallmor

I heard that Sheogorath is actually lactose intolerant and the cheese is a lie.

AlexDougherty

SpAEkus wrote: »

@jopeymonster‌

Only when you can extract yellow, will your hireling bring you yellow.

Does that mean that you also have to have yellow creation level to go along with yellow extraction?

The reason I ask is Level 4 extraction is at Enchantment Skill 29 but Level 4 Improvement isn't until Skill 31. Can Enchanting hireling deliver something he can't actually use?

Yes, you only get Kuta when you can use Kuta, extraction helps improve the odds but if you can't use Kuta the hireling won't look for it.

Rodario

AlexDougherty wrote: »

SpAEkus wrote: »

@jopeymonster‌

Only when you can extract yellow, will your hireling bring you yellow.

Does that mean that you also have to have yellow creation level to go along with yellow extraction?

The reason I ask is Level 4 extraction is at Enchantment Skill 29 but Level 4 Improvement isn't until Skill 31. Can Enchanting hireling deliver something he can't actually use?

Yes, you only get Kuta when you can use Kuta, extraction helps improve the odds but if you can't use Kuta the hireling won't look for it.

That's not true. I have not unlocked the use of Kuta with any char, yet I regularly receive them from hirelings.

AlexDougherty

Rodario wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

SpAEkus wrote: »

@jopeymonster‌

Only when you can extract yellow, will your hireling bring you yellow.

Does that mean that you also have to have yellow creation level to go along with yellow extraction?

The reason I ask is Level 4 extraction is at Enchantment Skill 29 but Level 4 Improvement isn't until Skill 31. Can Enchanting hireling deliver something he can't actually use?

Yes, you only get Kuta when you can use Kuta, extraction helps improve the odds but if you can't use Kuta the hireling won't look for it.

That's not true. I have not unlocked the use of Kuta with any char, yet I regularly receive them from hirelings.

Really, I used to get it before an update, but after that update I only get it on characters that can use it. Not complaining, I've gotten it and Rekuta plenty, not as much as some, but way more than others.

jopeymonster

SpAEkus wrote: »

@jopeymonster‌

Does that mean that you also have to have yellow creation level to go along with yellow extraction?

The reason I ask is Level 4 extraction is at Enchantment Skill 29 but Level 4 Improvement isn't until Skill 31. Can Enchanting hireling deliver something he can't actually use?

Yes. You can receive Kutas even when you can't use them. This is intentional due to the nature of how enchanting works compared to other crafting skills.

The ability to get high level aspect runes from your HIRELINGS is tied to your EXTRACTION skill, not the IMPROVEMENT skill.

Since release, the ability to receive Kuta/Rekutas/Denatas from hirelings has been questionable. There was always a very small chance (like 1%) to receive a colored aspect from a hireling without putting points into Extraction or Improvement. In August, when the hirelings all got an update, there were some changes to this, most notably that the ability to receive Kuta is tied to Extraction rank. It is noted in the patch notes somewhere and when I have more time, I'll try and find it.

Based on what I remember and what I've experience (through a maxed crafting main and multiple crafting alts):

• Having points invested in Extraction improves the ability to get higher level aspects from hirelings. NO points in extractions returns either Ta(white) or Jejotas(green) from hirelings, with Ta runes having the higher chance; Investing 1 point in extraction allows hirelings to bring Denata(blue); 2 points Rekuta(purple), 3 points Kuta(yellow). Each rank increase only increases the chance that you receive a better Aspect, but the chances are much higher each point invested (at max rank, I usually get either Rekuta or Kuta, and rarely see Denata; Jejota/Ta are even more rare with max rank). Since the patch, I have yet to receive a Kuta from my non-maxed extraction specced hireling alt (2 points invested into extraction for Rekuta, which I get regularly, Denata and Jejota still come pretty often as well), so it is either exactly as I stated, or the ability to get higher Aspect runes is extremely small without proper skill point investment (0.5% or less).
• Investing in hirelings will improve the chances of getting a higher QUANTITY of mats, not higher level aspects. With 1 point, you will get an Essence and either a Potency or Aspect. At 2 points, you have a better chance of getting all 3. At 3 points, you could get up to 5 different runes (1 Aspect, 2 Potency, 3 Essence, or 2/2/1, or 1/1/2, so on). Because of this, there is some argument that R2 hireling is better then R3, but this depends on what you want. If wanting only Kutas from your hireling, keeping hirelings at R2 would be more beneficial, since the smaller selection of mats to send would bump up the odds of receiving 1 better mat.
• On the subject of Essence runes, having a R3 hireling is one of the best ways to get the good Essence runes (Okori, Deteri, Kaderi, Makderi, Taderi, Oru). They are the only Essence runes that you cannot buy to extract, so getting them through hirelings is easier then finding them out in the wild, since there are 17 total glyphs that fill the chance pool (35% to get one of the above).
• In regard to Potency runes, this is tied to your Potency Improvement rank. If rank 3, you'll get rank 3 Potency. This is another reason why a R3 hireling can be perceived as better then R2, because you have the potential chance at max ranks to get multiple Potency runes (Kura/Kude) which are, at the moment, in high demand and expensive, whereas rank 2 hireling, you are only getting 1 at most of either the Aspect, Potency, or Essence runes.

If anyone has been receiving Kutas without max Extraction rank from hirelings, I'd like to know about it and how often. I know that some people have multiple hireling investments, so make sure that you are getting the correct hireling mail for response and not mixing up the max and non-maxed hireling mail.