Critical surge....Here is your answer

Dracane

Jahosefat wrote: »

I'm going to be sad if both morphs only last ~20 secs and have the same high mag cost.

Prepare to be sad
This day was a hit in every Sorcerers face. They spit on us, like I spit on imperial dogs. I really could use some strong arms today night. At least, we have maaaaany other Sorcerers feeling with us.

RinaldoGandolphi

If they are getting rid of power surge that's nonsense. I never use critical surge because contrary to popular belief its not as good as power surge.

In trials and dungeons you should rely on your healer to heal if they are any good, you can still crit, but you don't have to recast surge as iften which means more time spent killing the boss and less mama spent on recasting expensive surge. That double duration makes a big difference.

Everyday it just seems they keep making the sorc less and less viable, the most needed class in this game by far its not even close, no class in this game has had more nerfs then the sorc its indisputable past patch notes prove it.

Smh

Dracane

woodsro wrote: »

Everyday it just seems they keep making the sorc less and less viable, the most needed class in this game by far its not even close, no class in this game has had more nerfs then the sorc its indisputable past patch notes prove it.

True and the thing is, that from the first day on, Sorcerer was a class that needed Buffs and not nerfs. But we've received horrible nerfs all the time. They have made minor, useless buffs for crystal blast (no sane person would ever use it) and pet AI.

It is getting worse and worse.

ThatHappyCat

DOOM! GLOOM!!! IT'S RUUUUUUUUUINED!!!

Stendarr's mercy, can we wait till we know all the changes before we start foaming at the mouth? We knew 1.6 will change everything and most likely will make us re-examine our builds, let us not jump to conclusions based on like 1% of the revealed changes.

Dracane

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

!!

Stendarr's mercy.

This is indeed a strong argument.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

DOOM! GLOOM!!! IT'S RUUUUUUUUUINED!!!

Stendarr's mercy, can we wait till we know all the changes before we start foaming at the mouth? We knew 1.6 will change everything and most likely will make us re-examine our builds, let us not jump to conclusions based on like 1% of the revealed changes.

Dude you have two posts in this thread not adding any counter-arguments, just telling people to calm down in a sarcastic way.

You are not adding anything constructive to this conversation. You want us not to be concerned about the sorcerer class after the ZOS devs said flat out that they feel sorcs are fine and just need fine tuning with pets.

Most of us disagree with that sentiment.

If we wait till the last minute to express our concerns, our concerns will be heard at the last minute.

The issue is that ZOS seems out of touch with how most of us play sorc and the issues that plague the class through some of the toughest nerfs.

Also ZOS seems completely out of touch about how most of us play sorc in PvP.

They are so excited about the dragonknight changes and mentioned that class first. It feels like they are just bored of the sorc class.

They mention time and time again that they read these forums so why in Stendarr's name would you want to suppress discussion.

ThatHappyCat

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

You are not adding anything constructive to this conversation. You want us not to be concerned about the sorcerer class after the ZOS devs said flat out that they feel sorcs are fine and just need fine tuning with pets.

Valid point, I was pretty concerned about this myself; but I assumed they meant that Sorc skills are fine in the sense they don't need radical overhauls like Blinding Flashes > Radiant Destruction, just buffs.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Also ZOS seems completely out of touch about how most of us play sorc in PvP.

I'm pretty sure most PvP Sorcs don't bother with Crit Surge, or at least don't consider it essential to their build, given the status of Impen.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

They are so excited about the dragonknight changes and mentioned that class first. It feels like they are just bored of the sorc class.

That's just mindless hysteria, which this thread is full of and the reason I replied like I did.

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

They mention time and time again that they read these forums so why in Stendarr's name would you want to suppress discussion.

Discussion is fine, proclaiming doomsday based on breadcrumbs when you know there's a whole loaf out there you haven't seen is just silly.

LonePirate

Many skills will have a Magicka morph and a Stamina morph with 1.6. The Magicka morph will buff the spell damage from the Destruction staff skill line which will now use and scale off Magicka. The Stamina morph will buff weapon damage if you are using something besides a staff. The secondary effect - be it a heal or longer duration or something else - remains to be seen. Both morphs could have the same secondary buff (like a heal) or they could have different ones which may or may not be a heal.

Chances are high 1.6 will hit the PTS in 16-25 days. Once it does, please complain and use the /feedback option to voice your displeasure if the Surge skill and your preferred morph do not do what you want it to do.

kongkim

Think its okay.. i like to gain of extra damage

Nightreaver

LonePirate wrote: »

Many skills will have a Magicka morph and a Stamina morph with 1.6. The Magicka morph will buff the spell damage from the Destruction staff skill line which will now use and scale off Magicka. The Stamina morph will buff weapon damage if you are using something besides a staff. The secondary effect - be it a heal or longer duration or something else - remains to be seen.

Actually the secondary effects were posted in this very thread.

Dev answer: a new morph for surge
- morph 1: critical surge, untouched: boosts weapon damage and heals on crit strikes
- morph 2: boosts both weapon and spell damage

Both benefit Stamina builds, both are nerfs to Magicka builds. If they had actually made one Magicka morph and one Stamina morph then I think most Sorcerers would be happy.

ThatHappyCat

Crit Surge is heavily flawed as the Sorc's sole survivability skill, you guys are only holding on to it because that's all you know.

Given how badly Crit Surge works, I think the spell power morph as well as various allusions to ZoS wanting to move away from the current crit-heavy PvE meta (discussed when they talked about changes to Ulti generation) hints that ZoS is planning to give Sorcs more survivability options.

That is why I am not worried and am waiting for 1.6 patch notes before making a judgement.

If it turns out I'm wrong and ZoS had nothing planned for Sorc survivability, feel free to slap me silly. Until then I will feast on your delicious tears.

Leon119

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

How about we wait for 1.6 and see if new healing options are added for Sorcs before we bring out the pitchforks. Remember everything's being changed, not just one thing.

I think most people are getting the pitchforks ready

NordJitsu

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Crit Surge is heavily flawed as the Sorc's sole survivability skill, you guys are only holding on to it because that's all you know.

Given how badly Crit Surge works, I think the spell power morph as well as various allusions to ZoS wanting to move away from the current crit-heavy PvE meta (discussed when they talked about changes to Ulti generation) hints that ZoS is planning to give Sorcs more survivability options.

That is why I am not worried and am waiting for 1.6 patch notes before making a judgement.

If it turns out I'm wrong and ZoS had nothing planned for Sorc survivability, feel free to slap me silly. Until then I will feast on your delicious tears.

They said Sorcs are fine other than that they're buffing pets.

What part of that statement makes you think they'll be buffing survivability?

kongkim

NordJitsu wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Crit Surge is heavily flawed as the Sorc's sole survivability skill, you guys are only holding on to it because that's all you know.

Given how badly Crit Surge works, I think the spell power morph as well as various allusions to ZoS wanting to move away from the current crit-heavy PvE meta (discussed when they talked about changes to Ulti generation) hints that ZoS is planning to give Sorcs more survivability options.

That is why I am not worried and am waiting for 1.6 patch notes before making a judgement.

If it turns out I'm wrong and ZoS had nothing planned for Sorc survivability, feel free to slap me silly. Until then I will feast on your delicious tears.

They said Sorcs are fine other than that they're buffing pets.

What part of that statement makes you think they'll be buffing survivability?

That it all is still being made and testet. if they find the class miss survivability they might change something. No one know fore sure yet what it will end with of new changes.

angelyn

NordJitsu wrote: »

This is the biggest nerf to magicka Sorcs yet.

I don't think the change should have made Stamina sorcs non-viable, but making Magicka-sorcs non viable is ridiculous.

Crit Surge should either increase both Weapon Power and Spell Power or there should be morph options to pick one or the other but both should heal you on Critical Hits.

I agree completely here. Why should I have to choose between max dps and heals when other players can have both with the same skill.

skillastat

c0rp wrote: »

Yep...they need to address this. 2 Morphs...one for weapon power, one for spell power, and they BOTH heal on crit.

@zos_MariaAliprando @zos_PaulSage @zos_ginaBruno @zos_MattFiror‌

^ this

I agree totally.

ThatHappyCat

NordJitsu wrote: »

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Crit Surge is heavily flawed as the Sorc's sole survivability skill, you guys are only holding on to it because that's all you know.

Given how badly Crit Surge works, I think the spell power morph as well as various allusions to ZoS wanting to move away from the current crit-heavy PvE meta (discussed when they talked about changes to Ulti generation) hints that ZoS is planning to give Sorcs more survivability options.

That is why I am not worried and am waiting for 1.6 patch notes before making a judgement.

If it turns out I'm wrong and ZoS had nothing planned for Sorc survivability, feel free to slap me silly. Until then I will feast on your delicious tears.

They said Sorcs are fine other than that they're buffing pets.

What part of that statement makes you think they'll be buffing survivability?

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

Valid point, I was pretty concerned about this myself; but I assumed they meant that Sorc skills are fine in the sense they don't need radical overhauls like Blinding Flashes > Radiant Destruction, just buffs.

Unlike some, I can actually read between the lines (and they didn't say Pets were the ONLY thing they're buffing). Again if I am wrong, feel free to slap me.

Dracane

I somehow think, HappyCat will have a painful january

ThatHappyCat

Dracane wrote: »

I somehow think, HappyCat will have a painful january

Maybe, but I'm betting against it. Meanwhile, cry on, I'm drinking my fill here.

diwie

Superb idea to buff pets. Most none sorc players will be happy if pets re back in towns and dungeons.

Gyudan

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

They mention time and time again that they read these forums so why in Stendarr's name would you want to suppress discussion.

I don't think that they really read the forum. I suppose that only the Community Reps do and share some of the topics to the devs depending on how much QQ each one generates.
For example, you can check the profile of @ZOS_MariaAliprando, Lead Designer for the Champion System, who asked players to test stuff on the PTS in January. Either she reads everything without ever logging in or she hasn't checked the forum in months.

Last Active October 29

I believe that the most efficient way to share feedback is the ingame /feedback tool.

ThatHappyCat

Gyudan wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

They mention time and time again that they read these forums so why in Stendarr's name would you want to suppress discussion.

I don't think that they really read the forum. I suppose that only the Community Reps do and share some of the topics to the devs depending on how much QQ each one generates.
For example, you can check the profile of @ZOS_MariaAliprando, Lead Designer for the Champion System, who asked players to test stuff on the PTS in January. Either she reads everything without ever logging in or she hasn't checked the forum in months.

Last Active October 29

I believe that the most efficient way to share feedback is the ingame /feedback tool.

I'm pretty sure they don't read the forums at all, relying completely on the community managers to pass info to them. If they did they wouldn't say a facepalm-worthy comment like "Sorcs are fine!" Even though I think they meant something other than "Sorcs require no changes at all!" (like many people seem to assume), having the most basic knowledge of Sorc discussion on the forums would know that's one of the worst comments you can make regardless of what you meant.

Tanis-Stormbinder

c0rp wrote: »

Yep...they need to address this. 2 Morphs...one for weapon power, one for spell power, and they BOTH heal on crit.

This^^

Samadhi

ThatHappyCat wrote: »

...
I'm pretty sure they don't read the forums at all, relying completely on the community managers to pass info to them. ...

Speaking as a forum moderator for a different game,
this is exactly what the community manager does.