Mounts in ESO

Alphashado

They are kinda drab. I mean they aren't terrible, they are just... Lackluster.

I understand lore is an issue. I get that zos doesn't want to do anything crazy that would not fit in with the lore and history of the ES franchise. So I'm curious... What kind of mounts do you think WOULD fit in?

I know zos has mentioned adding mounts in the future. There has to be something better to add diversity though. Even a few different warhorses with armor would seem reasonable.

superquadockyb14_ESO

I dunno, I think they should go hog wild with mounts considering how bizarre the character powers are. I think there should be ridable anything that can be feasibly rode upon. Mammoths, Bears, Tigers, Clanfear, Alligators, Guar.

Would also be really cool if one could toggle the mount to follow you like a pet.

aisriyth_ESO

Both a senche-tiger and a guar(maybe, was talked about a LONG time ago) are coming.

ers101284b14_ESO

aisriyth_ESO wrote: »

Both a senche-tiger and a guar(maybe, was talked about a LONG time ago) are coming.

Yep they said soon, that was 6 months ago so maybe within another year?

I'm still voting unicorn

Lynx7386

I cant wait for my senche battlecat mount.

If they ever get around to adding polearms as a weapon type, my character can finally be complete.

Audigy

I would like to see different types of horses, but at the moment when we can ride cats, dogs, scorpions and what not I am out.

Not out in leaving the game, but I would find it pretty boring and silly. I believe at WOW there isn't a thing that isn't a mount, they even have motor bikes and carpets

KhajitFurTrader

Audigy wrote: »

I would like to see different types of horses, but at the moment when we can ride cats, dogs, scorpions and what not I am out.

Not out in leaving the game, but I would find it pretty boring and silly. I believe at WOW there isn't a thing that isn't a mount, they even have motor bikes and carpets

What if silt-striders from Morrowind are introduced? Then you'll be riding humongous, carved-out bugs... *gasp*

Muizer

Audigy wrote: »

I would like to see different types of horses, but at the moment when we can ride cats, dogs, scorpions and what not I am out.

Not out in leaving the game, but I would find it pretty boring and silly. I believe at WOW there isn't a thing that isn't a mount, they even have motor bikes and carpets

Yep, agreed. I'd rather see them making horses more customizable. They could add horse armor, for instance. Riding into battle on a cataphract would be cool.
Fighting on horseback would be interesting too.

Yes, sure it would be cool to ride a tiger, but with the prospect of having everybody you meet riding tigers as well, that soon wears off and what you're left with is a corrupted TES universe.

jeevin

I just wish Zeni would fix the horse animations. Most. Wooden. Animations. Ever.

KhajitFurTrader

Muizer wrote: »

Yes, sure it would be cool to ride a tiger, but with the prospect of having everybody you meet riding tigers as well, that soon wears off and what you're left with is a corrupted TES universe.

Look up http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Khajiit#Senche and http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Senche-Tiger#Senche-Tiger

So while tigers as mounts conform with the lore beyond any doubt, the lore also implies that not every race should get to ride them.

Moonshadow66

Imagine a legendary battle in Cyrodiil, and all knights coming from the Morrowind Gates appear on a Guar. The Dominion and the Covenant would have taken us very serious, I guess

Just kidding, I really would love to have a Guar mount (and I don't do PvP anyways)^^

Muizer

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

So while tigers as mounts conform with the lore beyond any doubt, the lore also implies that not every race should get to ride them.

My point specifically is that TESO is an MMO, which means they cannot treat the player as "special" in the way they could in the single player games. Whatever ability they allow players to have will end up being common, not special. That's why the whole "there's precedent in the lore" needs to be qualified: there has to be precedent for it being common before you give access to the whole player base.

ZoS already messed up with vampires and werewolfs there. They'll probably mess it up further with senche mounts. They're more concerned with the short term gratification of the player base than long term integrity of the game world. I'd be really surprised if they introduced senche tiger mounts for Khajiit only. They'd be too concerned about causing envy with the other races.

Turelus

I don't mind some more exotic mounts but they need to be under the following conditions for my liking.

1. They're fitting within the lore.
2. They're all available via game play and not cash-shop or extras with toys.
3. Horses have at least one pass first to help improve them.

MornaBaine

From what I understand, there are some pretty crazy potential mounts that would actually be lore-appropriate so I am fine with them adding those. I have one character who desperately desires to have a Senche Tiger! LOL But I would far more rather see more diversity with horses, giving us various breeds and sizes and colors and I'd also like to see camels as mounts since we have them in the game as well.

KhajitFurTrader

Muizer wrote: »

ZoS already messed up with vampires and werewolfs there.

This I see as your opinion, which I do not share. We're not talking game mechanics here.

Muizer wrote: »

They'll probably mess it up further with senche mounts. They're more concerned with the short term gratification of the player base than long term integrity of the game world.

And this I view as unwarranted conjecture based on your opinion. Don't get me wrong -- I see your concerns and understand where they come from, but I see no reasons to share them.

Muizer wrote: »

I'd be really surprised if they introduced senche tiger mounts for Khajiit only. They'd be too concerned about causing envy with the other races.

Have the passive abilities of each race been a cause for envy? I'd say no, they've added flavor and diversity. I propose the same is true for mounts that are specific to a race. Or an alliance, since partners willingly share everything they possess, right? *cough*

Anyway, Senche-Khajiit are a very special case, since they're at least semi-intelligent, and they should by any right be choosy about who can ride them. Should they ever come as race-specific mounts, I predict a sudden, inexplainable increase of the Khajiit population in Tamriel. But that's OK, because it'll blow over like any other temporary fad in any MMO has.

As for other potential mounts, trained beasts of burden have been prized spoils of wars throughout history. What if ZOS makes players earn them, instead of just letting them purchase anything anywhere? If a Breton develops a yearning for a Pack-Guar and he gets the occasion to "liberate" one on the battlefield, how can this be wrong, and in contradiction to the lore? If said Breton defected over to the Pact in the past, and already has access to them through his Argonian allies, then there even is no conflict with lore for him to get one as easily as a horse.

In the end, the conclusion whether anything has gone too far and jumped the shark is a highly personal one. Before ESO, Dunmer working together with Argonians in an alliance, instead of enslaving them, hasn't been a part of the lore either, but now it is. Sure, "lore-purists" balked at this fact as soon as it became public, but I rather doubt that this is the sole, main reason someone shuns his or her enjoyment of ESO...

Tabbycat

I'm still patiently waiting for my Ginataur or Pink Princess Unicorn.

Muizer

Well how about dragon mounts then? In Skyrim, you ended up riding one regardless of your racial background. Would that be an argument for every Tom, *** and Harry getting one in EsO? Because, remember, we may feel special about our character, but to everyone else we're just part of the decor. ZoS have to keep that in mind IMHO.

Edit: lol@censor.

AlexDougherty

Muizer wrote: »

Well how about dragon mounts then? In Skyrim, you ended up riding one regardless of your racial background.

NOt this AGAIN. The Lore clearly says Dragons can not be used as mounts, apart from the FEW survivors hiding from both the Nords and the Akaviri (including the Dragonguard/Blades), they are strong powerful creatures who won't submit to nondragons.

You rode one in skyrim because you were DRAGONBORN, you had a Dragon SOUL, therefore they counted you as a Dragon, all you had to do was defeat/capture the one you used, and persuade him. They would never submit to a mortal otherwise.

Jitterbug

I personally feel that is Senche-tigers were to be added as mounts, then only Khajiit should be able to ride them (mostly as to not inflate the game world with tiger mounts). And no I'm not Khajiit, although I do like to sneak.

Fitting with lore, no?

Annra

Alphashado wrote: »

So I'm curious... What kind of mounts do you think WOULD fit in?

Horses, only horses and nothing else.

AlexDougherty

Jitterbug wrote: »

I personally feel that is Senche-tigers were to be added as mounts, then only Khajiit should be able to ride them (mostly as to not inflate the game world with tiger mounts). And no I'm not Khajiit, although I do like to sneak.

Fitting with lore, no?

Yes, historically only Khajiit have ever ridden them, and even then only in times of great need.

Someone pointed out there is no actual rule about this in the Lore, but it's pretty safe to say a rule is heavily implied.

MornaBaine

Jitterbug wrote: »

I personally feel that is Senche-tigers were to be added as mounts, then only Khajiit should be able to ride them (mostly as to not inflate the game world with tiger mounts). And no I'm not Khajiit, although I do like to sneak.

Fitting with lore, no?

I actually think they should just be twice as expensive when purchased by a race other than khajiit. I feel the same should go for any "race specific" mount. My main is a Breton...and she's a crazy cat lady obsessed with kahjiit culture. She would go to some pretty extreme lengths to acquire a Senche tiger. And it's not lore-breaking, but it would be rare for non-khajiit to have such a creature. Hence the increased price. Even better would be a quest you ALSO had to do in order to gain access to such rare creatures in the first place.

Jitterbug

MornaBaine wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I personally feel that is Senche-tigers were to be added as mounts, then only Khajiit should be able to ride them (mostly as to not inflate the game world with tiger mounts). And no I'm not Khajiit, although I do like to sneak.

Fitting with lore, no?

I actually think they should just be twice as expensive when purchased by a race other than khajiit. I feel the same should go for any "race specific" mount. My main is a Breton...and she's a crazy cat lady obsessed with kahjiit culture. She would go to some pretty extreme lengths to acquire a Senche tiger. And it's not lore-breaking, but it would be rare for non-khajiit to have such a creature. Hence the increased price. Even better would be a quest you ALSO had to do in order to gain access to such rare creatures in the first place.

I get that Morna, and it makes sense, but even double the price 10 times and you would still see 100s of tigers ridden in Cyrodiil by anything from Orcs to Argonians.

Pendrillion

Well as far as I read ingame, one should not be able to BUY a Senche Tiger... More like Befriend them? I thought those are as intelligent as normal Khajiit? Maybe I am mixing something up...

Gidorick

Muizer wrote: »

KhajitFurTrader wrote: »

So while tigers as mounts conform with the lore beyond any doubt, the lore also implies that not every race should get to ride them.

My point specifically is that TESO is an MMO, which means they cannot treat the player as "special" in the way they could in the single player games. Whatever ability they allow players to have will end up being common, not special. That's why the whole "there's precedent in the lore" needs to be qualified: there has to be precedent for it being common before you give access to the whole player base.

ZoS already messed up with vampires and werewolfs there. They'll probably mess it up further with senche mounts. They're more concerned with the short term gratification of the player base than long term integrity of the game world. I'd be really surprised if they introduced senche tiger mounts for Khajiit only. They'd be too concerned about causing envy with the other races.

To combat this I think there should be faction and even race specific mounts. Only Khajiit should be allowed to ride other cats, ESPECIALLY if the Tigers are Senche Khajiit. There is NO way A Khajiit would allow anyone but another Khajiit to ride them.

Furthering this, the mounts could be locked behind level or quest walls. There are many ways to make an item hard to get... just making it hard to get without making players angry is difficult.

badmojo

Dwemer Motor Cycle
Horse and buggy
Chariot
Those things rich people sit in that peasants carry
Dogsled

Gidorick

I think the best option right now is to add different types of horses. I think three breeds would be plenty.



One horse could have a Stamina boost, one a speed boost, and one an inventory boost.

Add multiple colors (as we have now) and then allow us to outfit our horse with different armor types (light, medium, heavy) and in the same 15 motifs we are currently crafting our armor sets. They could even require additional motif books to be found for horse armor crafting to extend that particular gameplay mechanic.



Add in the ability to dye horse armor and the 45 different "looks" for the horse pretty much becomes unlimited.



If this were enhanced even FURTHER by allowing us to add Guild Tabards to our horses, it would offer an even greater variety.



Lastly, Faction Banners could be added to allow guilds and players to represent their faction while riding into battle.



If we had THIS many options for horses... I'm sure none of us would be thinking we need more mounts....

Lynx7386

IMO:

-Add Camels as a daggerfall-only mount option.
-Add Guar as an ebonheart-only mount option.
-Add Senche-Tigers as a dominion-only mount option.

It's not ideal, but it does keep things at least a little unique.

AlexDougherty

Pendrillion wrote: »

Well as far as I read ingame, one should not be able to BUY a Senche Tiger... More like Befriend them? I thought those are as intelligent as normal Khajiit? Maybe I am mixing something up...

Lorewise you are correct, as Senche are Khajiit and therefore sentient, and pretty strong too. You don't want to annoy them.

Gamewise, they've said it's being added, and since a befriending mechanic isn't (as far as I know) it's pretty safe to say we'll be buying them.

MornaBaine

Jitterbug wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

I personally feel that is Senche-tigers were to be added as mounts, then only Khajiit should be able to ride them (mostly as to not inflate the game world with tiger mounts). And no I'm not Khajiit, although I do like to sneak.

Fitting with lore, no?

I actually think they should just be twice as expensive when purchased by a race other than khajiit. I feel the same should go for any "race specific" mount. My main is a Breton...and she's a crazy cat lady obsessed with kahjiit culture. She would go to some pretty extreme lengths to acquire a Senche tiger. And it's not lore-breaking, but it would be rare for non-khajiit to have such a creature. Hence the increased price. Even better would be a quest you ALSO had to do in order to gain access to such rare creatures in the first place.

I get that Morna, and it makes sense, but even double the price 10 times and you would still see 100s of tigers ridden in Cyrodiil by anything from Orcs to Argonians.

Well that IS the "curse" of MMOs. None of us get to be unique. I think my suggestion comes as close to striking a balance that won't unduly anger players as is possible.

kip_silverwolf

Muizer wrote: »

Yep, agreed. I'd rather see them making horses more customizable. They could add horse armor, for instance. Riding into battle on a cataphract would be cool.
Fighting on horseback would be interesting too.

Buahaha @ horse armour! XD
If they added that, would the only place to buy it be the Betnikh stables run by that Orc...?