Best DK PvE build?
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Tonnopesce✭✭✭✭✭
✭If you see my build is a full spell crit spell dmg build (no more comment on the ice staff plz) i relee my dmg in the overtime dmg and stack bonus of dk's spells not on the staff abilities.
If you apply an overtime bonus like engulfing flames it works with spell dmg.
The fact that he use mixed weapon dmg and spell dmg is in order to obtain a little more from both, flame of oblivion in any case is a poor choice imoSignature1 -
Tonnopesce✭✭✭✭✭
✭I'm guessing you quite easily could make an awesome DK, medium armor, berserker 2H axe Nord...
Nord is for tanks you cannot trow away the bonus on block mitigation.
Redguards or orcs are a best choice, even imperials are better
But dk's in general are good in melee stamina builds even i can do a decent berserk build with my altmer
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✭After levelling several Sorcs, a NB and also trying a Templar, I finally created a DK which I'm currently levelling.
I knew before that all the class skills use magicka, so I decided to be a Breton again. I'm wearing 5 pieces of light armor, 1 medium, 1 heavy (the latter ones to level these skills in one go) and I'm using primarily a destro staff and secondary a resto staff. Most of the attribute points I spent on magicka, some on health and the least on stamina. Couldn't be any better and it's really fun, I'm a Dragonsorcerer
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✭✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
Nord is for tanks you cannot trow away the bonus on block mitigation.
Redguards or orcs are a best choice, even imperials are better
But dk's in general are good in melee stamina builds even i can do a decent berserk build with my altmer
I know, but on the same note min/max'ing is for min/max'ers 0 -
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In any case as a stamina race he can obtain more dps and almost more on evrything.
He should have a min health at 2700 (so he can go over 3k for pvp) all the points in stamina the ravenger pvp set heavy, the hounding rage pve set medium, 2h sword (ravenger) in the single target bar (bigger is better i dond like how the 2h axe and maces looks) and 2 Wield for the aoe bar combined with a medium armor piece to obtain a 3set bonus
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✭✭✭GamerzElite wrote: »
Now you are trolling.
Magica based DK melee are awesome but if you are playing with Destro Staff, you are just wasting your skill lines.
I saw your post abt build, You said you slotted Inner light with your Destro staff and use Crushing Shock!
1.Crushing Shock deal as weapon damage why you are wasting spell crit on it?
2. Your Armor set and Jwellery set incresing Spell crit but what spell you use with Destro?
3. In bar 2 you use weapon damage skills! Igneous weapons add 20 weapon Damage , Draw Essence max 267 magic damage ,Elemental Ring around 300 flame damage but usefull on mob , Flames of Oblivion max 35 Flame damage.
Why spell crit when you are not using any spell?
I can easly see your DPS is between 150-350 on single target with this build. How, cause I used these skill lines before.
All destro skills use weapon power and spell crit just like some class skills like lava whip use spell power and weapon crit. With that setup I get around 70% spell crit with pvp buff and a bit above soft cap for weapon power and pretty close to soft cap in spell power.When I put FoO my I have around 80% crit on everything that is in the range of FoO that includes the dot from FoO, burning, elemental ring and the standard under me. If there is enough trash to damage I will not run out of anything just because of Battle Roar.There are also some things like spell power spell crit magicka pots in the game. This combo for AoE is just simply OP. If there is not enough trash to sustain the madness I just turn of FoO and use a few full heavy attacks and go to single target.
DKs are made for Inferno staff or Inferno Staff is made for DK .I mean if you read the description of Kindling and World In flames does it really make you think DW or 2H?Edited by PBpsy on December 14, 2014 1:44PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)1 -
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All destro skills use weapon power and spell crit just like some class skills like lava whip use spell power and weapon crit. With that setup I get around 70% spell crit with pvp buff and a bit above soft cap for weapon power and pretty close to soft cap in spell power.When I put FoO my I have around 80% crit on everything that is in the range of FoO that includes the dot from FoO, burning, elemental ring and the standard under me. If there is enough trash to damage I will not run out of anything just because of Battle Roar.There are also some things like spell power spell crit magicka pots in the game. This combo for AoE is just simply OP. If there is not enough trash to sustain the madness I just turn of FoO and use a few full heavy attacks and go to single target.
DKs are made for Inferno staff or Inferno Staff is made for DK .I mean if you read the description of Kindling and World In flames does it really make you think DW or 2H?
Now you are trolling....
I am not saying DK cant use staff, I just wanna know, Your skills are allotted to weapon damage then How 80% of spell crit helping your weapon damage?
Earlier you told me 12 DK can malt AA. Its a challange to do a AA with 12 DK and link video with this post. If you completed within 24 hours from now, I will give you 30 days game time of ESO.3 -
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✭GamerzElite wrote: »
Now you are trolling....
I am not saying DK cant use staff, I just wanna know, Your skills are allotted to weapon damage then How 80% of spell crit helping your weapon damage?
Earlier you told me 12 DK can malt AA. Its a challange to do a AA with 12 DK and link video with this post. If you completed within 24 hours from now, I will give you 30 days game time of ESO.
Actually LOL this is going totally off topic you @pbpsy you are going crazy about the spell crit - dmg how in oblivion you can go over 60% spell crit ????
maybe only on trash pulls with all active you can get around 65-67% crit but if you read the descriptions.... the description is confusin the aoe and the flame bonus is applied ONLY to the class skills not to the flame staff abilities
and how you pretend to apply the foO bonus on a ranged target????
You have a poor build only because you pretend that skills abilities apply even on weapon abilities..... it is NOT true
and @GamerzElite i told you that staves depend on weapon + spell cuz of bad game design why you cant understand it???
You can do AA with 12 dk's but you will never get a good time and the topic is about how to do a good pve stamina build not why my d is bigger......
sorry i'm a little drunk ... it is sunday btw so go out or if you cant like me (family and stuff) enjoy the game and propose a good stamina build as the op has request not loose yourself in the middle of the thread ..... i like to have 30 days of game for free how do i get it?????Signature2 -
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✭✭✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
Actually LOL this is going totally off topic you @pbpsy you are going crazy about the spell crit - dmg how in oblivion you can go over 60% spell crit ????
maybe only on trash pulls with all active you can get around 65-67% crit but if you read the descriptions.... the description is confusin the aoe and the flame bonus is applied ONLY to the class skills not to the flame staff abilities
and how you pretend to apply the foO bonus on a ranged target????
You have a poor build only because you pretend that skills abilities apply even on weapon abilities..... it is NOT true
and @GamerzElite i told you that staves depend on weapon + spell cuz of bad game design why you cant understand it???
You can do AA with 12 dk's but you will never get a good time and the topic is about how to do a good pve stamina build not why my d is bigger......
sorry i'm a little drunk ... it is sunday btw so go out or if you cant like me (family and stuff) enjoy the game and propose a good stamina build as the op has request not loose yourself in the middle of the thread ..... i like to have 30 days of game for free how do i get it?????
The OP said that he doesn't care if it's a stamina or magicka build in the OP that he titled Best DK PVE build.He said Nord DPS DK that is using heavy but he doesn't specifically say that he is bent on using heavy always(If he does then he can just stop saying that he is dps.). I am pretty much on topic or close to it.
You get 67.3 Spell crit from:
-4 Aether, 4 Twilights,3 Soulshine=16%
-LA passive -10%
-PvP buff -8%
-Inner light-20%
-Staff-7%
-Thief -5%+1.3%Divines since not gear is yellow
Also you are wrong:
-The Bonus from Kindling applies to all Burning effects including those trigered from destro staff or weapon enchants.
-The Bonus from World In flames applies to Inferno Staff skills like Impulse and Wall of Elements.
How did I figure that out? I used a little trick called getting in the freaking game and testing it.
For FoO it would be very hard to test but I am pretty sure that it also applies to destro attacks also. Even if it didn't apply, the boost to Standard of might crit and its own dot propels your ultimate generation a lot. I do not use FoO for single target so range is not a problem. Some people do use it for single target and it works well for them since DKs must stay close to use Unstable and Engulfing Flame.
As for that challenge!? You can hold on to your 30 time If you can get 12 good destro DKs in one place. The burden of proof is not on me though since everyone that knows a thing or two about the game knows that destro Dks have been the top trial DPS since launch and just recently other builds are begging to catch up.
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killedbyping✭✭✭✭GamerzElite wrote: »
Now you are trolling.
Magica based DK melee are awesome but if you are playing with Destro Staff, you are just wasting your skill lines.
I saw your post abt build, You said you slotted Inner light with your Destro staff and use Crushing Shock!
1.Crushing Shock deal as weapon damage why you are wasting spell crit on it?
2. Your Armor set and Jwellery set incresing Spell crit but what spell you use with Destro?
3. In bar 2 you use weapon damage skills! Igneous weapons add 20 weapon Damage , Draw Essence max 267 magic damage ,Elemental Ring around 300 flame damage but usefull on mob , Flames of Oblivion max 35 Flame damage.
Why spell crit when you are not using any spell?
I can easly see your DPS is between 150-350 on single target with this build. How, cause I used these skill lines before.
Are you been living under the rock ?
Destruction stuff abilitys scale with Magicka and WEAPON damage. Also it benefit from SPELL critical.
Might look wierd if you consider Destro stuff as kind of a weapon, but it is how it works at the moment.1 -
GamerzElite✭✭✭On a Mob anyone can get 2k DPS, my main concern is single target with Destro. Just go The Rift try to test your setup and build on Trolls.
And Sir @PBspy plz post a melting video.Edited by GamerzElite on December 15, 2014 4:07AM2 -
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✭This thread is giving me serious concerns regarding player skill in ESO.
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✭✭I didn't read comments, but my guess is everyone saying light armor and destro staff. That is boring. Be a bruiser. Go 5 medium and 2 heavy. Attribute points in health and enchant gear with stamina. Chest heavy reinforced due to high base armor. Head heavy infused. Pants medium infused. The rest medium divines.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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✭✭I'm not trying to make him a hardcore raider
Just hoping for a build that will easily clear all the world bosses, dolmens etc. (in the veteran zones)?
Apparently 90% of those replying to this thread didn't see that you said you are not trying to make a DPS omgwtfbbqpwn hardmode trial killer.
Just go with whatever set you want. DK's have so many good skills that it's hard to go wrong. I'm not your typical stick/skirt DK fire mage. My main is a Nord DK Vamp, and I can use him to either tank or dps, though I usually just tank. I can solo any dolmen, any world boss (other than Craglorn), and hordes upon hordes of mobs at a time in Craglorn dungeons and overland mobs. Actually, the more mobs, the better.
I use all heavy armor. Akaviri Dragonguard 5-piece + Blessing Of The Potentates 3-piece 1H/Shield + Deadly Strikes 3-piece 2H + Blood Spawn 2-piece.
Now, is this setup suitable for trials? No, but it's not meant to be.
This set gives me 25% ultimate reduction cost for all ultimates, plus I get another 21% ultimate reduction cost on top of that for Devouring Swarm due to stage 4 vampirism. I slot Cinder Storm, Flames Of Oblivion, Unstoppable, Deep Breath, Invigorating Drain, and of course, Devouring Swarm.
At dolmens or against large groups of mobs in dungeons or in Craglorn, all I have to do is just stand there and hold block and everything around me just dies. Even against 15-20 mobs at once you will barely see my health bar move....ever. With the greatly reduced ultimate cost, I can pop Devouring Swarm every 5 to 6 seconds (which heals me) and since it's an ultimate, it activates Battle Roar (which restores all my stats), and on top of that I have Invigorating Drain which not only heals me, but builds ultimate.
Basically, non-stop flames and bats while taking near-zero damage because I'm constantly being healed from various sources. It's not for everyone, but it works very well for me.2 -
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Clever.
Apparently 90% of those replying to this thread didn't see that you said you are not trying to make a DPS omgwtfbbqpwn hardmode trial killer.
Just go with whatever set you want. DK's have so many good skills that it's hard to go wrong. I'm not your typical stick/skirt DK fire mage. My main is a Nord DK Vamp, and I can use him to either tank or dps, though I usually just tank. I can solo any dolmen, any world boss (other than Craglorn), and hordes upon hordes of mobs at a time in Craglorn dungeons and overland mobs. Actually, the more mobs, the better.
I use all heavy armor. Akaviri Dragonguard 5-piece + Blessing Of The Potentates 3-piece 1H/Shield + Deadly Strikes 3-piece 2H + Blood Spawn 2-piece.
Now, is this setup suitable for trials? No, but it's not meant to be.
This set gives me 25% ultimate reduction cost for all ultimates, plus I get another 21% ultimate reduction cost on top of that for Devouring Swarm due to stage 4 vampirism. I slot Cinder Storm, Flames Of Oblivion, Unstoppable, Deep Breath, Invigorating Drain, and of course, Devouring Swarm.
At dolmens or against large groups of mobs in dungeons or in Craglorn, all I have to do is just stand there and hold block and everything around me just dies. Even against 15-20 mobs at once you will barely see my health bar move....ever. With the greatly reduced ultimate cost, I can pop Devouring Swarm every 5 to 6 seconds (which heals me) and since it's an ultimate, it activates Battle Roar (which restores all my stats), and on top of that I have Invigorating Drain which not only heals me, but builds ultimate.
Basically, non-stop flames and bats while taking near-zero damage because I'm constantly being healed from various sources. It's not for everyone, but it works very well for me.
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✭xMovingTarget wrote: »
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOb-Woujvm8
There you go. still best pure DPS. Everything explained in the video
Works Solo, for Dungeons, for Trials.
2H isnt really good.
Hi i saw on you tube your dk rune build and i wanted to ask what tipe of gear you use for this build, is it a full spell dmg?
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Apparently 90% of those replying to this thread didn't see that you said you are not trying to make a DPS omgwtfbbqpwn hardmode trial killer.
Just go with whatever set you want. DK's have so many good skills that it's hard to go wrong. I'm not your typical stick/skirt DK fire mage. My main is a Nord DK Vamp, and I can use him to either tank or dps, though I usually just tank. I can solo any dolmen, any world boss (other than Craglorn), and hordes upon hordes of mobs at a time in Craglorn dungeons and overland mobs. Actually, the more mobs, the better.
I use all heavy armor. Akaviri Dragonguard 5-piece + Blessing Of The Potentates 3-piece 1H/Shield + Deadly Strikes 3-piece 2H + Blood Spawn 2-piece.
Now, is this setup suitable for trials? No, but it's not meant to be.
This set gives me 25% ultimate reduction cost for all ultimates, plus I get another 21% ultimate reduction cost on top of that for Devouring Swarm due to stage 4 vampirism. I slot Cinder Storm, Flames Of Oblivion, Unstoppable, Deep Breath, Invigorating Drain, and of course, Devouring Swarm.
At dolmens or against large groups of mobs in dungeons or in Craglorn, all I have to do is just stand there and hold block and everything around me just dies. Even against 15-20 mobs at once you will barely see my health bar move....ever. With the greatly reduced ultimate cost, I can pop Devouring Swarm every 5 to 6 seconds (which heals me) and since it's an ultimate, it activates Battle Roar (which restores all my stats), and on top of that I have Invigorating Drain which not only heals me, but builds ultimate.
Basically, non-stop flames and bats while taking near-zero damage because I'm constantly being healed from various sources. It's not for everyone, but it works very well for me.
I dont think that the builds posted above are specifically trial only except for the trial dropped gear the tips in the posts above are pretty clear: if you want to go magika use the dot of most dk ability try to have both weapon and spell dmg alot of spell crit and have fun..
For stamina is easy you need to have more weapon dmg (alot more) and this works for most classes races and builds
ThisTonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
In any case as a stamina race he can obtain more dps and almost more on evrything.
He should have a min health at 2700 (so he can go over 3k for pvp) all the points in stamina the ravenger pvp set heavy, the hounding rage pve set medium, 2h sword (ravenger) in the single target bar (bigger is better i dond like how the 2h axe and maces looks) and 2 Wield for the aoe bar combined with a medium armor piece to obtain a 3set bonus
Is the build that i use (not the 2h sword i use a bow) with my templar bosmer
5 hounding rage 5 ravenger 2 night mother the enchants on the weapons are Disease on 1 dagger and increase weapon dmg in the other dagger and the bow, with all active ( the ravenger bonus and the weapon dmg enchant bonus) i can go at 290 weapon dmg and crit 1.2k whirlwind the weapon dmg is all in a stamina build
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✭✭@xMovingTarget 's build is one of the best builds atm for DK DPS (pulling highest amounts of DPS) in PVE group play. You can find my build which is quite similar in my signature. The fact that you're a Nord changes nothing. A friend of mine using the same build I use can pull the same DPS that I pull since race modifiers are meaningless DPS wise and what really counts is how well you execute your rotations and your spell symmetry cancelling.Edited by TehMagnus on December 15, 2014 9:02AM0 -
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✭✭GamerzElite wrote: »
Magica build DK DPS are weak for trials.
** In melee DK is boss, so choose ur role wise fully.
@GamerzElite
Please stop writing utter nonsense. DK Magicka builds currently pull the most DPS than any other class in all trials fights except on Manticora. The only other build getting close to it and surpassing it in SOME occasions is stamina nightblade build.
As for melee the best builds currently are for nightblades.
Get your facts straight before writing nonesence
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@GamerzElite
Please stop writing utter nonsense. DK Magicka builds currently pull the most DPS than any other class in all trials fights except on Manticora. The only other build getting close to it and surpassing it in SOME occasions is stamina nightblade build.
As for melee the best builds currently are for nightblades.
Get your facts straight before writing nonesence
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✭✭✭btw @PBpsy you should consider switching from thief to shadowstone. As long as you got 49%+ crit, you'll pull more DPS that with Thief stone on single target DPS even with the lowered ultimate regeneration.
I know. This is a preference and I will not change it. I will take faster ultimate over a bit more dps any day but that is just me. From what I have seen the difference is minimal but more crit feels a bit more comfortable to me on both my NB and DK. There are quite a few things can do on that build to get more raw dps and I already tried them. The way I posted it is however the one that plays better for me in most dungeons and dsa..Edited by PBpsy on December 15, 2014 12:08PMESO forums achievementsProud fanboiElitist jerkTrollHaterFan of icontested(rainbow colors granted)0 -
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✭✭Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »
Hi i saw on you tube your dk rune build and i wanted to ask what tipe of gear you use for this build, is it a full spell dmg?
Rune build is full spell damage. but i would recommend to go for the build you saw in the update 4 vid Its better overall. 1 -
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✭✭GamerzElite wrote: »
How much DPS u generate on mantikora?
When going full DPS ~960 to 1k over the whole fight. Since it's mostly ranged fight, good sorcs & NB pull more DPS.
For the serpent I get ~1300-1400 for the whole fight and got a buddy playing Nord DK that averages at 1400-1500 although those numbers are with a build we're not sharing and a difficult skill rotation.
In AA and Hel Ra, DK dps > All (except, once again, maybe the new stamina NB builds which I haven't fully seen in action).
Only real ranged fight in trials is the Manticora. Duno what strats you're using if you're always doing ranged fights but can't be doing good times while at it.Edited by TehMagnus on December 15, 2014 2:44PM0 -
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✭xMovingTarget wrote: »
Rune build is full spell damage. but i would recommend to go for the build you saw in the update 4 vid Its better overall.
If you read my build (above somewhere) i've choosed to go full spell dmg without using the staff abilities ( i use e-ring only on trash pulls) and since i dont do trials (i dont like them) i cannot go with that equip.
Atm i'm sitting at 145 spell dmg 60% crit 2.2k spell resist and 2.8k magika and i like how it works, my rotation is simple : engulfing flames x 2 unstable flame x 2 and 3 or 4 molted whip; repeat..... some light attaks in the middle when i remember to do them...
Mid range is the way for me and i can do 1.3-1.4k dps even in long fights but molten whip burns down my magika like is no tomorrow and i have to use pots and spell simmetry to much (this results has a great weight on the healer), if i use the rune i can obtain the same results with a little less magika use?
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✭✭✭some class skills like lava whip use spell power and weapon crit.
It is craziness like this which makes me excited for 1.6 when all Magicka powered skills will start using spell power and spell crit. The current system is a confusing mess. My Magicka based DK with high spell power and spell crit is going to love the coming skill line changes.0 -
Surfinginhawaii✭✭✭For the serpent I get ~1300-1400 for the whole fight and got a buddy playing Nord DK that averages at 1400-1500 although those numbers are with a build we're not sharing and a difficult skill rotation.
Hey @magnusnet you can't just tease us like that without giving us a glimpse of what you are talking about
. Of course if it is a difficult skill rotation I won't be copying it because I have a habit of screwing up my rotations. 1 -
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✭This is a good starting point.
tamrielfoundry.com/topic/the-mage-fire-knight-teh-magnuss-dk-build-to-end-game-pve-1-4/0
