Dealing with exploiters.

ShadowHvo

Domander wrote: »

The magic "exploiting" dragonknight popped green dragon blood at 80% to take him back to 100%?

umhmm

Maybe you guys aren't as good as you think, practice more, there are nightblades out there that dominate most DKs like this.

ps. there's no exploiting in this "Dealing with exploiters" thread.

If you would've taken the time to read the post itself you should notice that I edited it in the very top and wrote that I understand it's not an exploit now.

And yes, that was around one and a half hour before you posted this very message.

Domander

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

The magic "exploiting" dragonknight popped green dragon blood at 80% to take him back to 100%?

umhmm

Maybe you guys aren't as good as you think, practice more, there are nightblades out there that dominate most DKs like this.

ps. there's no exploiting in this "Dealing with exploiters" thread.

If you would've taken the time to read the post itself you should notice that I edited it in the very top and wrote that I understand it's not an exploit now.

And yes, that was around one and a half hour before you posted this very message.

You should edit the thread title then...

also

My comment on dragon blood was to show that you lack understanding of some game mechanics.

It's like when I started pvp and wondered how this dragon knight was hitting me with crystal fragments. I hadn't learned the other classes yet.

IxSTALKERxI

Cool story bro, needs more dragon knights.

ShadowHvo

Domander wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

The magic "exploiting" dragonknight popped green dragon blood at 80% to take him back to 100%?

umhmm

Maybe you guys aren't as good as you think, practice more, there are nightblades out there that dominate most DKs like this.

ps. there's no exploiting in this "Dealing with exploiters" thread.

If you would've taken the time to read the post itself you should notice that I edited it in the very top and wrote that I understand it's not an exploit now.

And yes, that was around one and a half hour before you posted this very message.

You should edit the thread title then...

also

My comment on dragon blood was to show that you lack understanding of some game mechanics.

It's like when I started pvp and wondered how this dragon knight was hitting me with crystal fragments. I hadn't learned the other classes yet.

Lack understanding? You don't even take your time to go in and say specificly what -I- lack understanding of and why. Instead you decided to throw a half-arsed comment and claim that I "lack understanding"

Give a proper comment instead of just throwing a small insult. I'm by far not the only one who has seen Dragon Knights heal themselves fully up with Dragon Blood, hell I can do it on my own DK.

If you refer to blocking then I'm well aware of how it functions. I've been playing this game since the start. Regardless, being able to block while doing everything, even stunned is some circumstances is beyond stupid in my mind.

Oh look that guy is unconcious! Lets go hit his shield!

Domander

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Domander wrote: »

The magic "exploiting" dragonknight popped green dragon blood at 80% to take him back to 100%?

umhmm

Maybe you guys aren't as good as you think, practice more, there are nightblades out there that dominate most DKs like this.

ps. there's no exploiting in this "Dealing with exploiters" thread.

If you would've taken the time to read the post itself you should notice that I edited it in the very top and wrote that I understand it's not an exploit now.

And yes, that was around one and a half hour before you posted this very message.

You should edit the thread title then...

also

My comment on dragon blood was to show that you lack understanding of some game mechanics.

It's like when I started pvp and wondered how this dragon knight was hitting me with crystal fragments. I hadn't learned the other classes yet.

Lack understanding? You don't even take your time to go in and say specificly what -I- lack understanding of and why. Instead you decided to throw a half-arsed comment and claim that I "lack understanding"

Give a proper comment instead of just throwing a small insult. I'm by far not the only one who has seen Dragon Knights heal themselves fully up with Dragon Blood, hell I can do it on my own DK.

Dragon blood heals a % (33) of missing health, using it at 80% health with 20% missing would be a pretty small heal, and it wouldn't heal you to full.

It wasn't meant as an insult, but if you're going to get upset, you can just keep complaining and assuming exploits.

Columba

Turelus wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Where was the exploiting in the story?

To my understanding, and at least those PvP'ers I've been asscioated with throughout the game, the block while feared/stunned/ability casting, and vampires stealthing mid-combat to feed on enemy is considered exploiting. However judging from the responses, I guess that might be a one-sided opinion.

I personally believe neither should be allowed, since it's abused to the point where you need way too specific class related skills in order to counter them. Which is sad in my opinion, as all classes should be equally fun, interesting and useful.

That's not exploiting, just using the game mechanics in a way you and some others have not deemed fair.
Exploiting is taking advantage of broken mechanics in a ridiculous way, like the old Vampire speed bug, the 6k damage caltrops etc.

Using strong skills which are flavour of the month or mechanics which are working the way ZOS have intended them to isn't exploiting just using everything to your advantage.

Sadly I see this a lot (and I am not accusing you of this) where players invent their own rules, such as "using lethal arrow stacking debuff is unfair" and then run around and scream exploit.
I want the community to know the difference if possible so when we do have exploits like a few months back where Emperors were throwing 6k damage caltrops it's more clear to ZOS it's an exploit and not another person unhappy with a strong build or good player.

When ZOS states that something is unintended, I consider it an exploit. Glitching through gates, perma invulnerability with mist form, getting to certain locations that should not be possible.

NadiusMaximus

What I find funny anymore is being ganked by a sniper, and living.

I'm riding along, boom hit, I heal, lookaround, see him, invasion. Boom I'm on him. I'm thinking, why am I not dead yet. OK this guy must suck as much as me, I have a chance.

We spar, both pop shields, heal, bitting jabs and roll back, invasion, heal. It's a stand off, everytime I hit him with something, he hits back with the same.

I double roll back, stun him, slow him down and pull my bow and kill with a snipe.

If he would have done what I did, I would have died.

Soulac

Sublime

Wait for the removal of the softcaps, when trade-offs will be more pronounced. I.e. tanks will be tankier and deal less damage, and DPS' will deal more damage but less tanky. Which basically means that you will be able to be glass-cannony enough to pop a tanky DK, if you spec into the DPS direction. Otherwise get prepared for long fights.

JackDaniell

I personally find DK's with that exact build the easiest to kill, now a well played glass NB, that's a hard fight.

Sanct16

Ok. So you went to pve in the PVP AREA and got your assess kicked in a 2v1 and your only way to beat him was by exploiting the vanp feeding bug where you are completely unable to break free for 8 seconds? You should be ashamed of yourselves.
What are you complaining about? To me it just looks like you are some pve kids who are in the wrong area. If you dont want to fight other players stay in pve.

ShadowHvo

Sanct16 wrote: »

Ok. So you went to pve in the PVP AREA and got your assess kicked in a 2v1 and your only way to beat him was by exploiting the vanp feeding bug where you are completely unable to break free for 8 seconds? You should be ashamed of yourselves.
What are you complaining about? To me it just looks like you are some pve kids who are in the wrong area. If you dont want to fight other players stay in pve.

You should be ashamed for not reading the actual post.

Sublime

Sanct16 wrote: »

Ok. So you went to pve in the PVP AREA and got your assess kicked in a 2v1 and your only way to beat him was by exploiting the vanp feeding bug where you are completely unable to break free for 8 seconds? You should be ashamed of yourselves.
What are you complaining about? To me it just looks like you are some pve kids who are in the wrong area. If you dont want to fight other players stay in pve.

Is it confirmed that not being able to break free from vamp feeding is unintentional?

Sanct16

To read what? You complained about some impossible to kill dk who you couldn't kill without using an exploit even in a 2v1.

Then you posted some boring passages of text describing some PvE Events in Cyro.

ShadowHvo

Sanct16 wrote: »

To read what? You complained about some impossible to kill dk who you couldn't kill without using an exploit even in a 2v1.

Then you posted some boring passages of text describing some PvE Events in Cyro.

It's fun how one-sided you are. Others before you said both was fairplay. But not for you, since apparently the vampire feeding is an exploit, but the other isn't.

Also, you clearly did not understand what was written, as I do not complain about DK tanking, I said I resorted to the only means I could possible defeat him with, when he has the capabilities he has.

As people have been saying in this thread, it's an exploit if it's not intended, can you confirm exactly where the devs have said that stealth+vampire feeding combo is in fact an exploit? Or do you just dislike that it might be the only counter someone has to counter strong and powerful tanks who can keep on going forever?

RoamingRiverElk

I don't think the vampire feeding is an exploit. However, it's completely ridiculous and should not exist as it is in PvP. It should be breakable just like any other CC. Those who would use vampire feeding in a situation where they are more in numbers... well... ... ...

I do consider that a compliment, though not happy about it. Same applies to soul assault when outnumbered (1 vs 4+).

Yolokin_Swagonborn

I see people are still having problems identifying what counts as exploiting/cheating/hacking.

So I have created this handy chart. Enjoy!

krim

Did you try fearing? You know that goes through block.

Sanct16

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

To read what? You complained about some impossible to kill dk who you couldn't kill without using an exploit even in a 2v1.

Then you posted some boring passages of text describing some PvE Events in Cyro.

It's fun how one-sided you are. Others before you said both was fairplay. But not for you, since apparently the vampire feeding is an exploit, but the other isn't.

Also, you clearly did not understand what was written, as I do not complain about DK tanking, I said I resorted to the only means I could possible defeat him with, when he has the capabilities he has.

As people have been saying in this thread, it's an exploit if it's not intended, can you confirm exactly where the devs have said that stealth+vampire feeding combo is in fact an exploit? Or do you just dislike that it might be the only counter someone has to counter strong and powerful tanks who can keep on going forever?

Yes vamp feeding is definetly an exploit for me. I don't care if the devs said it anywhere or not. Being hard CC'd for around 8 seconds with no way to interupt is just ridiculous (even if someone interrupts the vamp feeding you will be stunned) and there is no way that anyone who thinks about it can believe that it is intended to be like this. In my opinion there is no way to argue otherwise.
You said yourself "Which is why my dear friend and I have resorted to exploit whenever an exploiter approaches." admitting that you are using an exploit.
It doesn't matter if you thought your opponent was using an exploit (which he didn't as you seem to understand by now). YOU used an exploit for not lose a 2v1. YOU suck.

ShadowHvo

Sanct16 wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

To read what? You complained about some impossible to kill dk who you couldn't kill without using an exploit even in a 2v1.

Then you posted some boring passages of text describing some PvE Events in Cyro.

It's fun how one-sided you are. Others before you said both was fairplay. But not for you, since apparently the vampire feeding is an exploit, but the other isn't.

Also, you clearly did not understand what was written, as I do not complain about DK tanking, I said I resorted to the only means I could possible defeat him with, when he has the capabilities he has.

As people have been saying in this thread, it's an exploit if it's not intended, can you confirm exactly where the devs have said that stealth+vampire feeding combo is in fact an exploit? Or do you just dislike that it might be the only counter someone has to counter strong and powerful tanks who can keep on going forever?

Yes vamp feeding is definetly an exploit for me. I don't care if the devs said it anywhere or not. Being hard CC'd for around 8 seconds with no way to interupt is just ridiculous (even if someone interrupts the vamp feeding you will be stunned) and there is no way that anyone who thinks about it can believe that it is intended to be like this. In my opinion there is no way to argue otherwise.
You said yourself "Which is why my dear friend and I have resorted to exploit whenever an exploiter approaches." admitting that you are using an exploit.
It doesn't matter if you thought your opponent was using an exploit (which he didn't as you seem to understand by now). YOU used an exploit for not lose a 2v1. YOU suck.

It's pretty hilarious how it's only an exploit if it's not in your favor.

Da Sandman

I would pay to go to zeni just so they could show me a day's worth of "exploit" reports from people in game. "Ban this guy, he is eating me" I betcha they see some pretty funny stuff.

kijima

I remember very early on just after beta seeing a DK in 7 light armour with a boom stick in a barn, tanky as hell and dropping bats after bats. So many people went in to kill him but of course they were just feeding his bats, which seemed to be eternally up. Took about 45 minutes to kill him, and he single handed killed 100+ people.

I wonder how many people sent ZOS a report in on that player not knowing about how certain skills work.

Sanct16

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

To read what? You complained about some impossible to kill dk who you couldn't kill without using an exploit even in a 2v1.

Then you posted some boring passages of text describing some PvE Events in Cyro.

It's fun how one-sided you are. Others before you said both was fairplay. But not for you, since apparently the vampire feeding is an exploit, but the other isn't.

Also, you clearly did not understand what was written, as I do not complain about DK tanking, I said I resorted to the only means I could possible defeat him with, when he has the capabilities he has.

As people have been saying in this thread, it's an exploit if it's not intended, can you confirm exactly where the devs have said that stealth+vampire feeding combo is in fact an exploit? Or do you just dislike that it might be the only counter someone has to counter strong and powerful tanks who can keep on going forever?

Yes vamp feeding is definetly an exploit for me. I don't care if the devs said it anywhere or not. Being hard CC'd for around 8 seconds with no way to interupt is just ridiculous (even if someone interrupts the vamp feeding you will be stunned) and there is no way that anyone who thinks about it can believe that it is intended to be like this. In my opinion there is no way to argue otherwise.
You said yourself "Which is why my dear friend and I have resorted to exploit whenever an exploiter approaches." admitting that you are using an exploit.
It doesn't matter if you thought your opponent was using an exploit (which he didn't as you seem to understand by now). YOU used an exploit for not lose a 2v1. YOU suck.

It's pretty hilarious how it's only an exploit if it's not in your favor.

What are you speaking about? It has nothing to do with ME as I'm not involved into this personally. If I would use vamp feed on someone it would still be an exploit.

Galalin

What a joke... nuff said

Sublime

As far as I know it can't be broken from the vamp side either, so if a vamp feeds on an enemy and the enemy gets back-up, he's done for as well. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

ToRelax

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

The amount of people who don't know what an exploit is in this game never ceases to amaze me.

While it could be completely intended, it puts DK's and Templars in such a high advantage over everyone else that it's quite literally unfair. I have yet to be able to defeat one without using either invisibility+vampire feeding or Lethal arrow spam.

ShadowHvo wrote: »

Luckily for us, my friend and I aren't bad at PvP, and both well decked out in epic to legendary gear.

[...]

I popped Shadowy Disguise, ran behind him and threw him up into the air, draining his body from his precious vitae. While my friend smashed him three times, killing him before the stun duration was done, and he was unable to hold block 24/7.

RoamingRiverElk wrote: »

I don't think the vampire feeding is an exploit. However, it's completely ridiculous and should not exist as it is in PvP. It should be breakable just like any other CC. Those who would use vampire feeding in a situation where they are more in numbers... well... ... ...

I do consider that a compliment, though not happy about it. Same applies to soul assault when outnumbered (1 vs 4+).

I don't mind what is considered an exploit and what not. I do know Lethal arrow spam is cheap and I very much enjoy killing snipers. I think unbreakable cc should not exist and therefore hate vampire feeding in PvP even more.

Soul Assault should not be needed in outnumbered situations, rather showing off that the caster has no skill otherwise, though it at least brings some risk since it has no range like snipe.

Oh, and there is no thread from the "exploiting" DK who used Dragon Blood on 80% . Really.