Would you like to be able to change your character's race?

MornaBaine

This is just an interest check. It's not about whether it should be a paid service, how it should be implemented so as not to break lore, what it might do to game balance because of changing the racial passives, or whether or not it is even feasible due to coding etc. Everyone is, of course, invited to discuss those things in comments, hopefully like civilized beings.

Jagath

I like the fact that some decisions have consequences. I don't think ZoS should ever add this ability or the ability to change class etc. If you want a new char then roll one.

diabeticDemon18

I don't want it to be implemented... simply because it doesn't make sense. You can't start out as an Asian person and then become Caucasian. It doesn't happen and that's much less of a change then to go from an Orc to a human being or elf. That would not make any sense to me so I wouldn't like it

MornaBaine

I would like to see it for one reason and one reason only. Roleplaying. I like to make villains. Mostly, they are slated for death. I like them to be high level though so I can play them in any area of the game I want them to be in. But once that villain has ICly "died" I want to be able to recycle them as a NEW villain. So not only may I need a race change but possibly a name, sex and/or total appearance change. I'm not stuck on class change, mostly because I understand that could be problematical from the coding side of things, and let's face it, I can dress them to LOOK like any class I want.

Jitterbug

I voted yes to the poll question, because I wouldn't want to take that away from anyone who would want it. So glad it wasn't the question from the thread topic, because I don't want to change my own race.

Rook_Master

Could I get a mod to change the title to:

"Would you like for all players in the game to be Imperial or Dark Elf?

diabeticDemon18

MornaBaine wrote: »

I would like to see it for one reason and one reason only. Roleplaying. I like to make villains. Mostly, they are slated for death. I like them to be high level though so I can play them in any area of the game I want them to be in. But once that villain has ICly "died" I want to be able to recycle them as a NEW villain. So not only may I need a race change but possibly a name, sex and/or total appearance change. I'm not stuck on class change, mostly because I understand that could be problematical from the coding side of things, and let's face it, I can dress them to LOOK like any class I want.

That's fair, but I still don't know about the race change. I like the idea of roleplaying a new villain, but I really don't see any logic behind how you could switch races. Unless a god had mercy on you and gave you the wish of changing to whatever race you wanted... for a cost of course

MornaBaine

diabeticDemon18 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

I would like to see it for one reason and one reason only. Roleplaying. I like to make villains. Mostly, they are slated for death. I like them to be high level though so I can play them in any area of the game I want them to be in. But once that villain has ICly "died" I want to be able to recycle them as a NEW villain. So not only may I need a race change but possibly a name, sex and/or total appearance change. I'm not stuck on class change, mostly because I understand that could be problematical from the coding side of things, and let's face it, I can dress them to LOOK like any class I want.

That's fair, but I still don't know about the race change. I like the idea of roleplaying a new villain, but I really don't see any logic behind how you could switch races. Unless a god had mercy on you and gave you the wish of changing to whatever race you wanted... for a cost of course

There's certainly no way to do it "within the lore." But that's not really necessary. This would be, essentially, a new character...with the stats and accomplishments of the old character.

Nestor

If you don't like your race, then make an Alt. All races have weaknesses and strengths, play to the strengths and compensate for the weaknesses.

It's bad enough we can change our Mundus Stone, as that is in effect changing the date of our Birthday.

Nestor

MornaBaine wrote: »

This would be, essentially, a new character...with the stats and accomplishments of the old character.

Which is not really a new character is it?

The Champion system will make this moot as a need anyway. Take a couple of days to get a character to 50 and they have all the points your formally VR14 character has.

diabeticDemon18

Nestor wrote: »

If you don't like your race, then make an Alt. All races have weaknesses and strengths, play to the strengths and compensate for the weaknesses.

It's bad enough we can change our Mundus Stone, as that is in effect changing the date of our Birthday.

You can do anything if you don't have a soul WHICH ACTUALLY JUST GAVE ME AN IDEA!! What if inside of Coldharbor, there is an area that you can drink from some sacrificial pit allows your partial soul to be transferred between your body and another? Like there was another player who wanted to switch races so you drink from the pit at the same time and interact with each other, when you interact an animation plays (much like the soulshard animation) and you switch between the two bodies, retaining your knowledge and skills though

MornaBaine

Nestor wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

This would be, essentially, a new character...with the stats and accomplishments of the old character.

Which is not really a new character is it?

The Champion system will make this moot as a need anyway. Take a couple of days to get a character to 50 and they have all the points your formally VR14 character has.

If progression were actually that fast I'd be all for it. For my purposes, being able to buy a level 50 would be just fine as well really.

Tonturri

I would like to be able to change my characters' race. Passives aren't -that- strong that the game is going to explode if I suddenly have 3% more stamina than magicka. Also, not everyone in the game is a min/maxer. Nor am I suddenly going to be able to slaughter large amounts of people in Cyrodiil just because of a racial change. *also crosses fingers for more races later on that you can have new characters as, or race change to*

There's certainly no way to do it "within the lore."

There is a quest in Greenshade - the place at the bottom left-ish part of the map, where some elf tries to change himself into a khajiit via alchemy potion. He ends up as an Argonian instead.

Rosveen

I don't think it should be done and personally I have no interest whatsoever in changing my race, but I wouldn't be terribly upset if it was possible.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

This would be, essentially, a new character...with the stats and accomplishments of the old character.

Which is not really a new character is it?

The Champion system will make this moot as a need anyway. Take a couple of days to get a character to 50 and they have all the points your formally VR14 character has.

If progression were actually that fast I'd be all for it. For my purposes, being able to buy a level 50 would be just fine as well really.

Now this I am 100% against...

diabeticDemon18

MornaBaine wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

This would be, essentially, a new character...with the stats and accomplishments of the old character.

Which is not really a new character is it?

The Champion system will make this moot as a need anyway. Take a couple of days to get a character to 50 and they have all the points your formally VR14 character has.

If progression were actually that fast I'd be all for it. For my purposes, being able to buy a level 50 would be just fine as well really.

NOOOOOOO, PLEASEEEEE... I would straight up quit if they started a "Pay to win" thing. I really don't want that

MornaBaine

Tonturri wrote: »

I would like to be able to change my characters' race. Passives aren't -that- strong that the game is going to explode if I suddenly have 3% more stamina than magicka. Also, not everyone in the game is a min/maxer. Nor am I suddenly going to be able to slaughter large amounts of people in Cyrodiil just because of a racial change. *also crosses fingers for more races later on that you can have new characters as, or race change to*

There's certainly no way to do it "within the lore."

There is a quest in Greenshade - the place at the bottom left-ish part of the map, where some elf tries to change himself into a khajiit via alchemy potion. He ends up as an Argonian instead.

I stand corrected. Magic race change potions for everybody!

diabeticDemon18

Tonturri wrote: »

I would like to be able to change my characters' race. Passives aren't -that- strong that the game is going to explode if I suddenly have 3% more stamina than magicka. Also, not everyone in the game is a min/maxer. Nor am I suddenly going to be able to slaughter large amounts of people in Cyrodiil just because of a racial change. *also crosses fingers for more races later on that you can have new characters as, or race change to*

There's certainly no way to do it "within the lore."

There is a quest in Greenshade - the place at the bottom left-ish part of the map, where some elf tries to change himself into a khajiit via alchemy potion. He ends up as an Argonian instead.

Problem solved... I guess go ahead then. Let's do it!

Tonturri

diabeticDemon18 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

This would be, essentially, a new character...with the stats and accomplishments of the old character.

Which is not really a new character is it?

The Champion system will make this moot as a need anyway. Take a couple of days to get a character to 50 and they have all the points your formally VR14 character has.

If progression were actually that fast I'd be all for it. For my purposes, being able to buy a level 50 would be just fine as well really.

NOOOOOOO, PLEASEEEEE... I would straight up quit if they started a "Pay to win" thing. I really don't want that

Just curious - how would it be paying to win if, say....I - who has three character at VR, a 14, 4 and 1 - bought a lv50? I did the Aldmeri Dominion quests twice already (side quests and dialogue. Dialogue is almost an entirely separate quest chain by itself ).

Not saying I'm for buying a lv50, because I'm not - just curious.

Nestor

MornaBaine wrote: »

If progression were actually that fast I'd be all for it. For my purposes, being able to buy a level 50 would be just fine as well really.

If you quest, it will take longer. Like about 25 to 40 hours of play to do 5 zones, so figure 4 days to a Week for someone who has a job. However you can grind out the levels with Mobs and get there in a couple of days. If you rush through the questing, your still going to have to grind if your in a hurry.

diabeticDemon18

Tonturri wrote: »

diabeticDemon18 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

This would be, essentially, a new character...with the stats and accomplishments of the old character.

Which is not really a new character is it?

The Champion system will make this moot as a need anyway. Take a couple of days to get a character to 50 and they have all the points your formally VR14 character has.

If progression were actually that fast I'd be all for it. For my purposes, being able to buy a level 50 would be just fine as well really.

NOOOOOOO, PLEASEEEEE... I would straight up quit if they started a "Pay to win" thing. I really don't want that

Just curious - how would it be paying to win if, say....I - who has three character at VR, a 14, 4 and 1 - bought a lv50? I did the Aldmeri Dominion quests twice already (side quests and dialogue. Dialogue is almost an entirely separate quest chain by itself ).

Not saying I'm for buying a lv50, because I'm not - just curious.

It's not a pay to win for everyone, just players who just join and buy a level 50 character. And don't forget though, VR's are going away in 1.6 so level 50 would mean they're buying a max level character, just like WoW did and I know a lot of people got mad at WoW for it

MornaBaine

diabeticDemon18 wrote: »

Tonturri wrote: »

diabeticDemon18 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

This would be, essentially, a new character...with the stats and accomplishments of the old character.

Which is not really a new character is it?

The Champion system will make this moot as a need anyway. Take a couple of days to get a character to 50 and they have all the points your formally VR14 character has.

If progression were actually that fast I'd be all for it. For my purposes, being able to buy a level 50 would be just fine as well really.

NOOOOOOO, PLEASEEEEE... I would straight up quit if they started a "Pay to win" thing. I really don't want that

Just curious - how would it be paying to win if, say....I - who has three character at VR, a 14, 4 and 1 - bought a lv50? I did the Aldmeri Dominion quests twice already (side quests and dialogue. Dialogue is almost an entirely separate quest chain by itself ).

Not saying I'm for buying a lv50, because I'm not - just curious.

It's not a pay to win for everyone, just players who just join and buy a level 50 character. And don't forget though, VR's are going away in 1.6 so level 50 would mean they're buying a max level character, just like WoW did and I know a lot of people got mad at WoW for it

I'm not super comfortable with just buying level 50s actually. But if there are some restrictions it's not so bad. Firstly, you should have to have at least one level 50 that you played up through to begin with. Maybe you should even have to have been subbed for a certain length of time. And this might also be nice for the folks who really are just interested in end game PvP and pretty much view the 1 to 50 progression as a boring PvE torture they are forced to endure before getting to the content they actually bought the game for.

Nestor

Tonturri wrote: »

There is a quest in Greenshade - the place at the bottom left-ish part of the map, where some elf tries to change himself into a khajiit via alchemy potion. He ends up as an Argonian instead.

Then do it this way but make the race you end up be a random choice.

MornaBaine

Nestor wrote: »

Tonturri wrote: »

There is a quest in Greenshade - the place at the bottom left-ish part of the map, where some elf tries to change himself into a khajiit via alchemy potion. He ends up as an Argonian instead.

Then do it this way but make the race you end up be a random choice.

HA! That would be pretty awesome actually. So long as you could keep doing it until you got the race you wanted. Now what would be REALLY cool is if you could somehow slip a race changing potion to another player without their knowledge and then they'd have to go buy a cure to get back to normal! LOL

AlexDougherty

Nestor wrote: »

Tonturri wrote: »

There is a quest in Greenshade - the place at the bottom left-ish part of the map, where some elf tries to change himself into a khajiit via alchemy potion. He ends up as an Argonian instead.

Then do it this way but make the race you end up be a random choice.

God, how annoyed would they be if they did it, and ended up as the race they started with

Medakon

Whats the different advantage from making a new character with correct race and changing race instantly? Nothing.. it just take more time to make a new one, so I still don't see a problem why this shouldnt be allowed. The people who say no is either a pvp dragonknight player with correct race they wanna be or a roleplayer. Elder scrolls is MENT TP PLAY HOW YOU LIKE, NOT HOW OTHERS WANT YOU TO STICK WITH HOW YOU MESSED UP WITH 6 MONTHS AGO WHEN THE GAME WAS NEW BECAUSE THEY DIDNT MESS UP RACE AND PICK LETS SAY ARGONIAN OR NORD INSTEAD OF A BETER RACE TO GET ADVANTAGE OVER YOU. I refuse to make a new character just to make a race change, this shoulndt even be a payment option, it should be implementen ingame so lets say you pay 5k ingame to swap race. How can this be pay to win when nobody is paying irl gold for it and everyone have access?

Geting tierd of all these pvp'ers and roleplayers who bother to stop me from having a good time ingame and let me play how I like. got 90% ancivment clear and have emperor title, and maxed all skills and level. ofc I wont delete him and start a new character cuz because some 13yo old kid who does pvp or 40year old guy tells me I cant swap race and need to create new character.

diabeticDemon18

MornaBaine wrote: »

diabeticDemon18 wrote: »

Tonturri wrote: »

diabeticDemon18 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

This would be, essentially, a new character...with the stats and accomplishments of the old character.

Which is not really a new character is it?

The Champion system will make this moot as a need anyway. Take a couple of days to get a character to 50 and they have all the points your formally VR14 character has.

If progression were actually that fast I'd be all for it. For my purposes, being able to buy a level 50 would be just fine as well really.

NOOOOOOO, PLEASEEEEE... I would straight up quit if they started a "Pay to win" thing. I really don't want that

Just curious - how would it be paying to win if, say....I - who has three character at VR, a 14, 4 and 1 - bought a lv50? I did the Aldmeri Dominion quests twice already (side quests and dialogue. Dialogue is almost an entirely separate quest chain by itself ).

Not saying I'm for buying a lv50, because I'm not - just curious.

It's not a pay to win for everyone, just players who just join and buy a level 50 character. And don't forget though, VR's are going away in 1.6 so level 50 would mean they're buying a max level character, just like WoW did and I know a lot of people got mad at WoW for it

I'm not super comfortable with just buying level 50s actually. But if there are some restrictions it's not so bad. Firstly, you should have to have at least one level 50 that you played up through to begin with. Maybe you should even have to have been subbed for a certain length of time. And this might also be nice for the folks who really are just interested in end game PvP and pretty much view the 1 to 50 progression as a boring PvE torture they are forced to endure before getting to the content they actually bought the game for.

That's fair. I guess with certain stipulations it could be used for good. But it still bothers me to be able to just buy your way to lvl 50...

MornaBaine

Medakon wrote: »

Whats the different advantage from making a new character with correct race and changing race instantly? Nothing.. it just take more time to make a new one, so I still don't see a problem why this shouldnt be allowed. The people who say no is either a pvp dragonknight player with correct race they wanna be or a roleplayer. Elder scrolls is MENT TP PLAY HOW YOU LIKE, NOT HOW OTHERS WANT YOU TO STICK WITH HOW YOU MESSED UP WITH 6 MONTHS AGO WHEN THE GAME WAS NEW BECAUSE THEY DIDNT MESS UP RACE AND PICK LETS SAY ARGONIAN OR NORD INSTEAD OF A BETER RACE TO GET ADVANTAGE OVER YOU. I refuse to make a new character just to make a race change, this shoulndt even be a payment option, it should be implementen ingame so lets say you pay 5k ingame to swap race. How can this be pay to win when nobody is paying irl gold for it and everyone have access?

Geting tierd of all these pvp'ers and roleplayers who bother to stop me from having a good time ingame and let me play how I like. got 90% ancivment clear and have emperor title, and maxed all skills and level. ofc I wont delete him and start a new character cuz because some 13yo old kid who does pvp or 40year old guy tells me I cant swap race and need to create new character.

I'm a roleplayer. I want to be able to change race FOR roleplay reasons. So watch it sonny.

BBSooner

AlexDougherty wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

Tonturri wrote: »

There is a quest in Greenshade - the place at the bottom left-ish part of the map, where some elf tries to change himself into a khajiit via alchemy potion. He ends up as an Argonian instead.

Then do it this way but make the race you end up be a random choice.

God, how annoyed would they be if they did it, and ended up as the race they started with

Id be more annoyed if I ended up argonian.

AlexDougherty

Medakon wrote: »

Whats the different advantage from making a new character with correct race and changing race instantly? Nothing.. it just take more time to make a new one, so I still don't see a problem why this shouldnt be allowed. The people who say no is either a pvp dragonknight player with correct race they wanna be or a roleplayer. Elder scrolls is MENT TP PLAY HOW YOU LIKE, NOT HOW OTHERS WANT YOU TO STICK WITH HOW YOU MESSED UP WITH 6 MONTHS AGO WHEN THE GAME WAS NEW BECAUSE THEY DIDNT MESS UP RACE AND PICK LETS SAY ARGONIAN OR NORD INSTEAD OF A BETER RACE TO GET ADVANTAGE OVER YOU. I refuse to make a new character just to make a race change, this shoulndt even be a payment option, it should be implementen ingame so lets say you pay 5k ingame to swap race. How can this be pay to win when nobody is paying irl gold for it and everyone have access?

Geting tierd of all these pvp'ers and roleplayers who bother to stop me from having a good time ingame and let me play how I like. got 90% ancivment clear and have emperor title, and maxed all skills and level. ofc I wont delete him and start a new character cuz because some 13yo old kid who does pvp or 40year old guy tells me I cant swap race and need to create new character.

Actually I chose races on what I want to play, my Orc Nightblade and Khajiit Templar are the most fun characters I have.

But I wouldn't stop people from changing race.

My only stipulation is that it's done out of the game, I don't want to see people popping potions in game and transforming. There are lore based reasons for my saying this.

Rosveen

MornaBaine wrote: »

Medakon wrote: »

Whats the different advantage from making a new character with correct race and changing race instantly? Nothing.. it just take more time to make a new one, so I still don't see a problem why this shouldnt be allowed. The people who say no is either a pvp dragonknight player with correct race they wanna be or a roleplayer. Elder scrolls is MENT TP PLAY HOW YOU LIKE, NOT HOW OTHERS WANT YOU TO STICK WITH HOW YOU MESSED UP WITH 6 MONTHS AGO WHEN THE GAME WAS NEW BECAUSE THEY DIDNT MESS UP RACE AND PICK LETS SAY ARGONIAN OR NORD INSTEAD OF A BETER RACE TO GET ADVANTAGE OVER YOU. I refuse to make a new character just to make a race change, this shoulndt even be a payment option, it should be implementen ingame so lets say you pay 5k ingame to swap race. How can this be pay to win when nobody is paying irl gold for it and everyone have access?

Geting tierd of all these pvp'ers and roleplayers who bother to stop me from having a good time ingame and let me play how I like. got 90% ancivment clear and have emperor title, and maxed all skills and level. ofc I wont delete him and start a new character cuz because some 13yo old kid who does pvp or 40year old guy tells me I cant swap race and need to create new character.

I'm a roleplayer. I want to be able to change race FOR roleplay reasons. So watch it sonny.

No, you want a new character boosted to max level to start a new roleplay immediately after your previous character died. I'm not saying it's wrong or anything, but it's meta, not in character. Unless you're actually playing that mad, but brilliant alchemist chugging down experimental potions.

On a different note, I don't remember any other TES game letting us change our race, so where's that "but it's TES!" argument coming from?

eventide03b14a_ESO

I started a related poll.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/142243/would-you-like-to-stop-seeing-polls-and-threads-about-race-change#latest