How to fix the dwemer grind

Rodario

I've been putting off farming for the dwemer motif and scraps, but today I finally got around to it.

Here's the result:

After five hours of farming dwemer delves with alternating alts after every motif page drop, I collected 20 motif pages and some epic recipes. In that same timeframe, I killed over 200 constructs and looted a total of 8 (eight) scraps.

That's five hours of farming for almost an entire frame...

I had planned on making my next set a dwemer one, but I will not spend 50 hours to gather the necessary style materials (or the gold to buy them for that matter).

By comparison, I haven't found a single book of the styles 10-14 yet, but have several hundred argentum, copper, daedra hearts and palladium saved up.

I can't quite believe dwemer frames are intended to be this rare, so here's how I feel the drop rates should be adjusted:

- replace dwarven gears with scraps, or
- replace scraps with frames, or
- make scrap refinement drop 7-10 frames (like ore refinement)

That way, people who have the necessary skills to craft dwemer style gear won't have to farm style materials for ages.

I know there have been threads about this before and I assume there will be more to come. I could not, however, resist the urge to post what I feel is a summary of the problem, inclusive of possible solutions.

EDIT: Removed the extremely unpopular request for lowered motif drop rates, as apparently even the people who already have all the pages (e.g. everyone who spent more than two hours in a dwemer ruin) don't want it lowered.

dharbert

There's no need to nerf anything. The RNG either likes you or it doesn't . I personally have stacks (yes, stacks) of Dwemer frames that I've collected from mobs in ruins.

Apparently that's the thing to do now if things aren't going your way. Cry nerf....

And you get a huge LOL for wanting to nerf the Fighter's Guild instance. Lowering the drop rate on the Dwemer motif? You are insane. Every other motif only requires one page to be able to craft everything. The Dwemer motif requires 14 pages for the same thing.

AshySamurai

I don't a big fan of nerfing, but IMO it's not a bad idea to increase refinement drop from dwemer scraps.

Rydik

Yesterday i farmed scraps, very good drop chance from big robots(centurion?), got around 15 scraps after 10-20 min(some of them dropped 2 scraps from one mob), but zero from little robots...

Rodario

dharbert wrote: »

There's no need to nerf anything. The RNG either likes you or it doesn't . I personally have stacks (yes, stacks) of Dwemer frames that I've collected from mobs in ruins.

Apparently that's the thing to do now if things aren't going your way. Cry nerf....

And you get a huge LOL for wanting to nerf the Fighter's Guild instance.

I knew proposing the removal of pages from the fighters guild instance would not be popular. But can you honestly tell me you feel this was intended?

About the RNG luck: The fact that dwemer frames cost more than motif pages in guild stores tells me I'm not the only one who gets so few of them.

Beesting

There is nothing to fix, most people that want the dwemer pages have them, the frames are only 5 k and prices on pages are going down to around 6k

Your choice if you want to farm dwemers for scraps, i only do it when i want to level skills and feel like running around in razaks wheel.

zaria

Rodario wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

There's no need to nerf anything. The RNG either likes you or it doesn't . I personally have stacks (yes, stacks) of Dwemer frames that I've collected from mobs in ruins.

Apparently that's the thing to do now if things aren't going your way. Cry nerf....

And you get a huge LOL for wanting to nerf the Fighter's Guild instance.

I knew proposing the removal of pages from the fighters guild instance would not be popular. But can you honestly tell me you feel this was intended?

its an dwemer ruin, why should it not drop the dwemer items?
As a bonus the people farming it will not farm in the same dungeon as you.

Simplest solution make the scrap be converted to frames 10 to 10 not 10 to 1

neueregel

I solved this by not giving a crap about dwemer crap...

ers101284b14_ESO

The only thing I would like to see is all Dwemer able to drop scraps. I have never gotten any scraps from Avanchaezael or whatever its called which is a level 40 for me. I have gotten very few from the one on Stro's Mkai which is VR1 for me, and I have gotten enough to make about 3 scrap from the VR5 one. Cant remember then name or where its at. But anyway it seems to be level based and I want it enemy based instead.

Heishi

I'm ok with the motif drop rate being high since you have to divide that chance by 15 for a specific page. As an example, any page may be say 1/200 chance but to get one specific page is more like 1/3000.

The scraps are what get me, though notably I've mainly been using the fighters guild to find pages which doesn't have the centurions with the higher chance to drop scraps.

BBSooner

I agree with the increase in dwemer scraps, and I disagree with removing it from the fighters guild quests. I also disagree with any nerf to the page drops.

dharbert

Rodario wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

There's no need to nerf anything. The RNG either likes you or it doesn't . I personally have stacks (yes, stacks) of Dwemer frames that I've collected from mobs in ruins.

Apparently that's the thing to do now if things aren't going your way. Cry nerf....

And you get a huge LOL for wanting to nerf the Fighter's Guild instance.

I knew proposing the removal of pages from the fighters guild instance would not be popular. But can you honestly tell me you feel this was intended?

About the RNG luck: The fact that dwemer frames cost more than motif pages in guild stores tells me I'm not the only one who gets so few of them.

It's a Dwemer ruin like any other except that it is instanced. Let me guess, you want the drop rate nerfed to oblivion in order to drive up the price?

Unlike every other style motif, the Dwemer motif requires 14 pages, not just 1. If they nerfed the drop rate, no one would be able to complete it without having to pay insane prices for the pages they can't find. It's fine the way it is.

And the players selling frames for 5k are being exploitative. I give frames away for the asking and sell the individual pages for 3k because I already have all of them.

Heishi

dharbert wrote: »

Rodario wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

There's no need to nerf anything. The RNG either likes you or it doesn't . I personally have stacks (yes, stacks) of Dwemer frames that I've collected from mobs in ruins.

Apparently that's the thing to do now if things aren't going your way. Cry nerf....

And you get a huge LOL for wanting to nerf the Fighter's Guild instance.

I knew proposing the removal of pages from the fighters guild instance would not be popular. But can you honestly tell me you feel this was intended?

About the RNG luck: The fact that dwemer frames cost more than motif pages in guild stores tells me I'm not the only one who gets so few of them.

It's a Dwemer ruin like any other except that it is instanced. Let me guess, you want the drop rate nerfed to oblivion in order to drive up the price?

Unlike every other style motif, the Dwemer motif requires 14 pages, not just 1. If they nerfed the drop rate, no one would be able to complete it without having to pay insane prices for the pages they can't find. It's fine the way it is.

And the players selling frames for 5k are being exploitative. I give frames away for the asking and sell the individual pages for 3k because I already have all of them.

Oh was it only 14 pages? I had thought it was 15, well that makes it a little easier then. Only 4 pages to go then for me. The math in my previous comment was an example so it was subject to being wrong anyways.

Rodario

dharbert wrote: »

Rodario wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

There's no need to nerf anything. The RNG either likes you or it doesn't . I personally have stacks (yes, stacks) of Dwemer frames that I've collected from mobs in ruins.

Apparently that's the thing to do now if things aren't going your way. Cry nerf....

And you get a huge LOL for wanting to nerf the Fighter's Guild instance.

I knew proposing the removal of pages from the fighters guild instance would not be popular. But can you honestly tell me you feel this was intended?

About the RNG luck: The fact that dwemer frames cost more than motif pages in guild stores tells me I'm not the only one who gets so few of them.

It's a Dwemer ruin like any other except that it is instanced. Let me guess, you want the drop rate nerfed to oblivion in order to drive up the price?

Unlike every other style motif, the Dwemer motif requires 14 pages, not just 1. If they nerfed the drop rate, no one would be able to complete it without having to pay insane prices for the pages they can't find. It's fine the way it is.

I wanted the drop rate to be nerfed because it's insanely easy to farm them and I felt they should be brought in line with the other rare motifs. Yes there's 14 of them, but you can trade doubles for missing ones easily, so I don't see any reason why the drop rate should be higher than 14x the normal drop rate for rare motifs.

The fighter's guild instance dropping motif pages feels unintended, as it's way easier to farm there than in any other ruin.

I have removed these requests from the OP due to how unpopular they were and because, as a result, they drew focus from the scrap issue.

And the players selling frames for 5k are being exploitative. I give frames away for the asking and sell the individual pages for 3k because I already have all of them.

Last time I checked (today), frames were selling for around 9-15k and pages for around 8-12k. (EU)

Slurg

I have no use for the pages if the scraps/frames are too hard to get. They're still way overpriced on the guild stores (8-10k per page on NA) considering the lack of availability of materials to use with them. Other purple motifs are 20-30k for the whole book and you can find those trait stones.

I like the idea of increasing the rate of refinement to be like the rate on other refined materials. That may make it more worthwhile.

Chuggernaut

I haven't found any yet aside from some scraps.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

in Aldmeri Dominion, I go to Klathzgar a VR10 area LINK to farm for Dwemer scrap to make Dwemer frames, I have over 40 frames currently (significantly lower at this time because I made a guildie a set of Dwarven armor), and I know others that have stacks of Dwemer Frames.

What you do is circle the dungeon for an hour or so and you will come away with enough scraps for like 2-3 frames, I just turn the scraps into frames and then store them in my bank and rinse and repeat every couple of days. After awhile you will save enough frames.

I am the Guild master of the Queen's Hand, so if any of my guildies need anything, I can make it, since I do all crafts on my main Kotaro, so I take it on myself to make sure my guild is taken care of if they need it.

Now if you are looking for Dwemer Motif's, the best place I know of is Avanchnzel in the Rift. I walked in there last night and the first container I opened had a Dwemer Shoulder Motif in it.

I have all the Motif's in the game, including Dwemer and will focus on Imperial Daedric next when Imperial city comes out.

PS- on a side note, the Dwemer Motif does have a entire book that drops (which has all the pages in them), I know of five people who have found them so far, and they go for about 120K so far if you can find someone to sell it to you. So...they are rare but they are out there..

dodgehopper_ESO

All I know, is that I want a Dwemer Centurion and Dwemer Sphere and Dwemer Spider Summons when Spellcrafting comes out.

Demira

are you kidding on nerfing the drop rate? I am having hell trying to help guildmates for theirs...shhheeeshhh.

Woolenthreads

Chuggernaut wrote: »

I haven't found any yet aside from some scraps.

I've found one page and no scraps on the NA server and 7 scraps on the EU server. I can't do anything with the page until I reach VR9 apparently, so it's sitting in inventory, until a character reaches the level.

Ommamar

Are you referring to Mzenfeldt (sp?) the level 15ish Dwemer ruin? I have not had good luck of late although I did at first. Of late every motif I found was the standard alliance ones. Even that slowed down as did the dwemer scrap. I don' t know if it was poor RNG luck or there is some code that says if you run it this amount of times with out completion ZOS is going to adjust the loot table. All I know is that the stategy that was garnering results hasn't of late. I am going to take a casual stance on it if I get a motif or a scrap awesome but not going to farm for them.

Esha76

I had a daily rotation of several different upper VR Dwemer ruins for a week or two. Bought 2 or 3 pages, sold 2 or 3 pages... In the end I got enough drops of pages to have the achieve for Dwemer style master. Yay, my parents are so proud.

In that time, a week or two of killing everything in sight, including just scrap farming runs, I had a total of 10 frames at the end of that time.

I'm not going to call anyone a liar, as there are people here who say they have never seen a page drop and I have the whole set... But if you're getting 2-3 frames per hour there's something special with your account or however RNG works in relation to you. The vast majority of us are not seeing any kind of drop rate like that.

Which is my issue with this whole thing. I just spent a good deal of time farming for the style pages, no issue with that concept. Now I have to farm long hours just to make the things. The word "long" is the key word in that statement. I don't mind having to go out to get the stuff and put some effort into it, it's just too low of a drop rate right now to be worth the time. I have one character right now in full Dwemer, it's nice, yay. But as this scrap/frame stands now, I will not be making any other Dwemer anything. Makes it nothing more than a passing fad.

Increase the scrap drop, allow us to refine all those gears into frames (50 or 100 of them.. what ever)... seriously, what ever. I do hope there is a decent return on frames when breaking that old gear down... but not holding my breath on that.

AngryNord

Motifs need to go away. Instead they should make it so that you can learn other styles from researching, similar to traits - but only for the particular type of armour you pick up (ie - find an Altmer cuirass - research it - you can now make cuirasses in Altmer style).

Rodario

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO wrote: »

What you do is circle the dungeon for an hour or so and you will come away with enough scraps for like 2-3 frames, I just turn the scraps into frames and then store them in my bank and rinse and repeat every couple of days. After awhile you will save enough frames.

Even if that was the standard droprate and not special luck on your end, wouldn't you say running in circles for about 3.5-5 hours is still too much to gather just style mats?

Every other style mat is something you just pick up along the way and usually have enough of. I feel you should get enough dwemer frames for a set from doing two or three dwemer ruins along the way.

Tastes differ, of course, but while the dwemer style looks nice, I don't feel it looks good enough to warrant this kind of effort.

zaria

Rodario wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

Rodario wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

There's no need to nerf anything. The RNG either likes you or it doesn't . I personally have stacks (yes, stacks) of Dwemer frames that I've collected from mobs in ruins.

Apparently that's the thing to do now if things aren't going your way. Cry nerf....

And you get a huge LOL for wanting to nerf the Fighter's Guild instance.

I knew proposing the removal of pages from the fighters guild instance would not be popular. But can you honestly tell me you feel this was intended?

About the RNG luck: The fact that dwemer frames cost more than motif pages in guild stores tells me I'm not the only one who gets so few of them.

It's a Dwemer ruin like any other except that it is instanced. Let me guess, you want the drop rate nerfed to oblivion in order to drive up the price?

Unlike every other style motif, the Dwemer motif requires 14 pages, not just 1. If they nerfed the drop rate, no one would be able to complete it without having to pay insane prices for the pages they can't find. It's fine the way it is.

I wanted the drop rate to be nerfed because it's insanely easy to farm them and I felt they should be brought in line with the other rare motifs. Yes there's 14 of them, but you can trade doubles for missing ones easily, so I don't see any reason why the drop rate should be higher than 14x the normal drop rate for rare motifs.

The fighter's guild instance dropping motif pages feels unintended, as it's way easier to farm there than in any other ruin.

I have removed these requests from the OP due to how unpopular they were and because, as a result, they drew focus from the scrap issue.

And the players selling frames for 5k are being exploitative. I give frames away for the asking and sell the individual pages for 3k because I already have all of them.

Last time I checked (today), frames were selling for around 9-15k and pages for around 8-12k. (EU)

How easy the fighter guild instance is depend on your how good your low level character is.
Its far easier to farm low level veteran areas as an high level veteran than doing it an level 15 dungeon as level 15.
Even better if you group up you get drops if other kill the robots.

AshySamurai

AngryNord wrote: »

Motifs need to go away. Instead they should make it so that you can learn other styles from researching, similar to traits - but only for the particular type of armour you pick up (ie - find an Altmer cuirass - research it - you can now make cuirasses in Altmer style).

IMO this is an awesome idea. I would like to see it instead of what we have now.

Oolou

I've just started on the 'grind' and am finding the rate of drops for scraps and pages to be okay. After 6 trips in dwemer delves and a run of a fighters guild quest that took me into a dwemer setting, I've scraps to make two frames and have found two pages. Seems about right?

Moonshadow66

Chuggernaut wrote: »

I haven't found any yet aside from some scraps.

Me neither. I guess I'm one of the "lucky" ones, again.. Certain things I just never ever find in this game.

AngryNord

I've probably not been the most proficient farmer, I've found Three Dwemer motifs and gotten enough scraps to make one frame and have a few scraps spare...

Grileenor

AngryNord wrote: »

Motifs need to go away. Instead they should make it so that you can learn other styles from researching, similar to traits - but only for the particular type of armour you pick up (ie - find an Altmer cuirass - research it - you can now make cuirasses in Altmer style).

Great. This is exactly how it should work. Give it a certain chance and the trade with certain found items is up everywhere. Good idea!

I skipped searching for dwemer stuff as soon as I realized, that it does not help me to find the motifs, since it is an awful stupid grind to get the frames. This is so 1990s MMO style. Not for me any more!

Cuyler

I can usually pick up ~10 scraps per run through each dungeon. I farm in my 50++ zone which I assume has a higher drop rate than my 50+ or <50 zones. I farmed them for about 3 hours a night for about a week and a half (how long it took to find all 14 pages including trading for 2 or 3) and now have 300+ scraps.

I also didn't go to the super popular ruins due to the fact that other players killing the mobs there means no scraps for me. I stayed in quiet ruins where I was guaranteed to kill all the mobs and made sure to switch characters every 15 min.

I think its fine but I haven't experienced what other players are reporting here.