Blazing spear spam (Broken, exploit?)

Domander

So I've been running into this a lot lately, blazing spear is a 2 second stun that does not grant the CC immunity that every other stun in the game does. This means that if it's spammed on you and you're unable to break it, there's nothing you can do for however long it's spammed on you. It also means other CC can be used right after it.

To draw a comparison.

Fear not granting the immunity while blocking, which was unintended according to ZOS.

(see second reply for another comparison)

I personally use the word exploit very sparingly. An example is the mist form and still fighting crap was an exploit, pulling people onto walls to bypass mechanics is an exploit, healing a bugged wall is an exploit too imo.

Now the question is...

Blazing spear is still a skill that does good damage and is a great stamina draining skill, so does spamming it make it an exploit?

Bipolo

Some Templar abilities have always been able to stun-lock under certain conditions. Blazing Spear is one of them.

Is it an exploit? No.

However i would be surprised if it was intended, just as Fear is currently "not working as intended"

Sharee

I don't know.

If someone went out of his way to do something with an unintended effect, that would be an exploit.

But someone doing something he would do anyway, unintended effect or not?

kijima

Yes, it's an exploit. Fix this stuff ZOS.

ratgoddess495 wrote: »

Because he edited it, genius.

You are SO getting a smack in TS.

(and you'll love it )

Domander

I don't know.

Bipolo wrote: »

Some Templar abilities have always been able to stun-lock under certain conditions. Blazing Spear is one of them.

Is it an exploit? No.

However i would be surprised if it was intended, just as Fear is currently "not working as intended"

Yeah, I was wondering what people thought. I don't think it's intended either, exploit might be too far though. I've not read/heard that it's ever been determined bug or not so unless a dev chimes in we won't know.

It's pretty effective though in certain situations.

Turelus

I think the word exploit is the wrong word for this, broken maybe more suitable.

Please don't bring everything to the level of exploit, it's bad enough so many true exploits are "grey areas" to ZOS, lets not make it any harder for them to decide on that.

In regards to the question I suffered this the other day and basically stood doing nothing while having spears spammed on me, it was the first time in PVP I was truly annoyed at an ability.
The annoyance comes from the fact it stripped away my ability to do anything, I couldn't find a counter to what was happening and had no choice but to sit and watch the Templars whittle me down and kill me. Maybe I just didn't find the counter I needed.

eliisra

No, it's not an exploit.

Streak and Fear doesn't give CC immunity either, unless you burn half your stamina and break out.

I didn't know how Blazing Spear came with the same problem. I get CC'ed by it less frequently than the skills above, so I never noticed. Guessing because the skill is a 6 target GT AoE, where only one guy gets stunned. So there's more elements of rng in it. You might avoid the stun by just standing next to other players.

Regardless, all skills should give you a CC immunity (Including Blazing Spear). Why is this so hard to fix ZoS? Sort out CC mechanics already!

But using skills like Fear, Streak or Spear, doesn't make you an exploiter ofc. These are better class skills, some crucial for certain builds. Wouldn't expect anyone to stop using a good class skill, because ZoS fails at coding.

ThatHappyCat

eliisra wrote: »

Guessing because the skill is a 6 target GT AoE, where only one guy gets stunned. So there's more elements of rng in it. You might avoid the stun by just standing next to other players.

It actually isn't random, it always stuns whoever the Templar has targeted.

I don't want to vote on this poll because there are reasons for spamming it other than stunlocking, i.e. zergbusting. Suggesting that everyone who spams Blazing Spear is an exploiter isn't right.

Kas

I don't know.

As a templar I don't think occasionally spamming spear in groups comes close to an exploit. it's decent ult generation and a range aoe damage skill. you cannot stunlock anyone in groups.

spamming it on single targets is a different matter. i sometimes did this when it was the only damage skill on my bar and i was standing on a keep wall or something and wondered why he wouldn't get out of it.

that being said i have NEVER been perma cc'ed by spears myself. On top of that, I think the animation is long enough to cc break and start blocking / roll dodge. I don't think a single templar can perma cc a target that isn't out of stamina - but of that, I am not sure.

that being said, I don't see why it shouldn't grant cc immunity (apart from the fact that I think CC'ing is far too easy in ESO and breaking it is far far far too easy. I really liked the DAoC model of crucial CCs you really had to play around).

Maulkin

eliisra wrote: »

Streak and Fear doesn't give CC immunity either, unless you burn half your stamina and break out.

You got this wrong.

Fear does give CC immunity at the end. There's a bug currently that when you're blocking through it you have to let go before it ends to get the immunity or it will bug and you won't get it. That's documented, along with a whole discussion on whether you should be able to block through fear or not.

Streak is not a stun, it's a disorient. Which means that the CC breaks whenever you take damage after you were CCed. For example if Shield Charge was a disorient, then CC would break the first time you took damage afterwards instead of being CCed for a full 4" while your opponent pummels you.

ZOS_MichaelM

Couple of threads had to be removed from this discussion as they were rude and disruptive. That's the kind of behavior that can lead to a temporary suspension or permanent deactivation of forum accounts.
Please make sure to stick to the Community Rules to avoid that.

JaJaLuka

Yes, it's an exploit. Fix this stuff ZOS.

how many of the "no" answers are Templars?

Maulkin

ZOS_MichaelM wrote: »

Couple of threads had to be removed from this discussion as they were rude and disruptive. That's the kind of behavior that can lead to a temporary suspension or permanent deactivation of forum accounts.
Please make sure to stick to the Community Rules to avoid that.

How can I get me one of those temporary bans? Spending way too much time on these forums.

Roechacca

So now I can't use Blazing Spear . Great . Calling my therapist !

CrazedDark

No, it's not an exploit.

I doubt its an exploit so much as spamming blazing shield is an exploit. Templars have a smaller number of damaging moves compared to the other classes. You're gonna see the one-horse-pony-show very often with templars.

Lava_Croft

No, it's not an exploit.

No exploit, just a really good showcase of Templars having the worst designed offensive skills.

Rylana

I like the sound minerva makes when i use this skill

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tplink3r1

I don't know.

Blazing Spear spam

Thechemicals

No, it's not an exploit.

Lava you dont know what your talking about, and i suggest to others not to let her steer you the wrong way. I have been playing a templar since release and successfully dueled and excelled in pvp with its offensive skills.

Since April there has been many complaints about templar dps and templar exploiting of skills like shards and biting jabs. I continue to support and promote that the class is excellent at counter dps. If used properly and also will say this: all the top pve dps players are using 2-3 skills from the mage and destro tree. If templar used these same skills with says spear shards and sweep, dps would match most dps.

timidobserver

Hopefully blazing spear doesn't become the latest casualty to pvp complaints.

SoulScream

No, it's not an exploit.

Not an exploit that I have seen.

I have been stun locked by other skills and thought it was my own error to run out of stam for no break free.

frozywozy

Yes, it's an exploit. Fix this stuff ZOS.

Anything that can keep a player out of stamina stunlocked until he dies should not exist. I do agree that the word exploit is too strong, it should be "broken".

OldSmeller

Domander wrote: »

So I've been running into this a lot lately, blazing spear is a 2 second stun that does not grant the CC immunity that every other stun in the game does. This means that if it's spammed on you and you're unable to break it, there's nothing you can do for however long it's spammed on you. It also means other CC can be used right after it.

To draw a comparison.

Fear not granting the immunity while blocking, which was unintended according to ZOS.

(see second reply for another comparison)

I personally use the word exploit very sparingly. An example is the mist form and still fighting crap was an exploit, pulling people onto walls to bypass mechanics is an exploit, healing a bugged wall is an exploit too imo.

Now the question is...

Blazing spear is still a skill that does good damage and is a great stamina draining skill, so does spamming it make it an exploit?

The status of a mechanic as an exploit is not an opinion or the result of a poll. The larger issue you seem to be missing is that CC (crowd control) in ESO is faulty and prone to exploitation. This is not the same as saying that a skill or mechanic used in a certain was IS the exploit. In reality the inconsistent latency and skill delay is what allows for otherwise legit skills to be used and abused.

Even in the least populated campaigns that have very minimal latency, CC is unfair an exploitative.

Player 1 casts a CC on player 2.
Player 2 uses a CC breakout
Player 1 casts another CC on player 2.

The time between when player 2 casts the breakout and the game server applies that effect is so long that the second CC is already applied thus effectively negating the first breakout.

Only way around this is unstopable potions.

SoulScream

No, it's not an exploit.

Some good points here. I had no idea it didn't give cc immune like other skills. I have been stun locked before by other skills are there several that do this or have they all been fixed except blazing spear?

Darklord_Tiberius

No, it's not an exploit.

Domander wrote: »

So I've been running into this a lot lately, blazing spear is a 2 second stun that does not grant the CC immunity that every other stun in the game does. This means that if it's spammed on you and you're unable to break it, there's nothing you can do for however long it's spammed on you. It also means other CC can be used right after it.

To draw a comparison.

Fear not granting the immunity while blocking, which was unintended according to ZOS.

(see second reply for another comparison)

I personally use the word exploit very sparingly. An example is the mist form and still fighting crap was an exploit, pulling people onto walls to bypass mechanics is an exploit, healing a bugged wall is an exploit too imo.

Now the question is...

Blazing spear is still a skill that does good damage and is a great stamina draining skill, so does spamming it make it an exploit?

This is a very easy thing to avoid.... If you cannot learn to move around, then you deserve to be killed by it and/or have your stam drained or both.. Just as if you stand in a banner, a veil, wall of Elements and the list goes on. This is a learn to play issue, not a skill issue.

Darklord_Tiberius

No, it's not an exploit.

JaJaLuka wrote: »

how many of the "no" answers are Templars?

I see you are a DK and let me guess; you think your class is perfectly balanced?

LOL

Voodoo

No, it's not an exploit.

How the [snip] can spamming a skill be considered an exploit?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

Karamis_Vimardon

No, it's not an exploit.

<sarcasm>
Oh hell no, Templars can't have a spammable skill like every other class. Think of the balance!
</sarcasm>

Cody

No, it's not an exploit.

it depends on how the player uses it.

if the player only uses it every once and awhile to interrupt a chain of attacks or to get someone off of them, then no. If the player is intentionally stun locking their enemies to death, i say yes, and find any player that does this dispicable.

i picked "no" for this poll, because i honestly dont think its that big of a deal. the damage the skill itself does is not that great. once you get the stun lock beat, its not worth using.

Voodoo

No, it's not an exploit.

Voodoo wrote: »

How the [snip] can spamming a skill be considered an exploit?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

@ZOS_ShannonM

Is %$#@ considered a swearword! Because that is what I used instead of "snip". Talk about OVER MODERATED!

Cody

No, it's not an exploit.

Voodoo wrote: »

Voodoo wrote: »

How the [snip] can spamming a skill be considered an exploit?

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

@ZOS_ShannonM

Is %$#@ considered a swearword! Because that is what I used instead of "snip". Talk about OVER MODERATED!

lol. you are trying to convince people that openly defend cheaters and exploiters. take my advice, dont waste your typing breath