Angry post, grouping for quests in Craglorn

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Nazon_Katts wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

I'm in DC on the EU server [...]

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

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GamerzElite wrote: »

I am also in EP-EU,[...]

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

AD/EU available for all of Craglorn, [...]
Even then cross faction play is a must,

If they would just implement cross-faction PvE now, we have a group!

Still a better love story than Twilight

Cherryblossom

So are there any quests in Craglorn if your not in a group? I'm not having any issues killing mobs at VR7 but finding anyone to all the quests in Craglorn, do they need to be done in one go? If not once you have done some do you then need to find people who are also on the next quests your on?
If this is the case, what nutcase thought up this idea!

AlnilamE

There were issues at the beginning where you had to be on the same step as other people when doing the quests.

This is no longer the case. I've helped friends with quests that I had already done with no issues.

There are also parts of several quests that are out in the world and you can do them by yourself (though some of those may be a bit too tough).

Some of the Lower Craglorn quests can be done with 3 players (probably 2 if you are really good).

If you do the main quest line, take your time to enjoy the story. :-)

Sylvyr

As I understand it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that for Craglorn main (non-repeatable) quests, only people that have that quest can join you, otherwise if they don't have it, there are areas they are phased or locked out of???

I'm not sure I haven't tested this personally, I got lucky and found a good group to roll through them with. If this is the case, this is pure ____

Anyone should be able to help not just those with the quest... ya know, come along, get some loot, maybe merc fees, whatever

AlnilamE

Sylvyr wrote: »

As I understand it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that for Craglorn main (non-repeatable) quests, only people that have that quest can join you, otherwise if they don't have it, there are areas they are phased or locked out of???

I'm not sure I haven't tested this personally, I got lucky and found a good group to roll through them with. If this is the case, this is pure ____

Anyone should be able to help not just those with the quest... ya know, come along, get some loot, maybe merc fees, whatever

That used to be the case, but ZOS has been working on the issue over the last few updates.

The last outlier was The Missing Guardian, which you can only get after you've completed the 4 other quests in the quest line, but that was fixed in Update 5 and now anyone can join you for any of the main line quests, whether they have the quest or not.

I still need to do the Missing Guardian, but I've done the first 4 and repeated a couple of them helping friends catch up. They are fun to do with a friendly group. :-)

AngryNord

AlnilamE wrote: »

There were issues at the beginning where you had to be on the same step as other people when doing the quests.

This is no longer the case. I've helped friends with quests that I had already done with no issues.

There are also parts of several quests that are out in the world and you can do them by yourself (though some of those may be a bit too tough).

Some of the Lower Craglorn quests can be done with 3 players (probably 2 if you are really good).

If you do the main quest line, take your time to enjoy the story. :-)

The only Craglorn main quests that you MUST be four for, are the quest where you find the shards for the skygazers (there is a place where you must have three people standing on stepping stones while the fourth opens a door) and the final quest, where four people must stand in the lake at the same time and activate pillars, to open a portal.

AngryNord

Sylvyr wrote: »

As I understand it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that for Craglorn main (non-repeatable) quests, only people that have that quest can join you, otherwise if they don't have it, there are areas they are phased or locked out of???

Apparently no longer the case

OrphanHelgen

I have spammed zones and guilds. I wrote this:

lfg at any time at any day for The Missing Guardian quest. (linked achievement) I even but my alarm clock on, for when you have time for this. pls whisper or e-mail me :-)


This is the answer I got:

-noob
-woot
-wrong chat
-np
-*** leecher irritates me
-swag
-yolo
-yeaahha
-mlg

Sylvyr

AlnilamE wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

As I understand it, and please correct me if I'm wrong, is that for Craglorn main (non-repeatable) quests, only people that have that quest can join you, otherwise if they don't have it, there are areas they are phased or locked out of???

I'm not sure I haven't tested this personally, I got lucky and found a good group to roll through them with. If this is the case, this is pure ____

Anyone should be able to help not just those with the quest... ya know, come along, get some loot, maybe merc fees, whatever

That used to be the case, but ZOS has been working on the issue over the last few updates.

The last outlier was The Missing Guardian, which you can only get after you've completed the 4 other quests in the quest line, but that was fixed in Update 5 and now anyone can join you for any of the main line quests, whether they have the quest or not.

I still need to do the Missing Guardian, but I've done the first 4 and repeated a couple of them helping friends catch up. They are fun to do with a friendly group. :-)

Well that's a huge step in the right direction. I guess people that have already done the craglorn quests might be busy doing something else like trying to get the latest undaunted gear or something..

I dunno, someone else said it, but the game has a huge solo feel to it, breeding and reinforcing that mentality. I'm sure there are a handful of people that would help out but they are either rare to find, or in guilds helping guildies first.

I would say offer a payment or reward since they wont get a reward but that might get sketchy if people don't hold up to their ends of the bargain.

It'd be nice if the game has a little extra incentive to helping people do quests that have already done them, especially if they force it on us. Something that would make people think "hey if I don't do something I really want, and help this person out, I still make out with something decent" be it gold, random item (including possible a nirnhoned), AP, a token for the token system they should put into place something.

The way it is now just doesn't seem like it was totally thought out. This game has lots of ideas but it seems like the question of "how sustainable is this?" and "how will this work in medium and long term?" don't seem to be at the forefront as they seem to be in fire fighter and stop-gap mode most of the time (but awesome job on the lighting improvements!)

rylixav

I'm trying to find a group for Craglorn too. NA server, AD Faction. @rylixav

OrphanHelgen

Just an update on this:
I have now cleared every quest, dungeons and shards in Craglorn.
The only tip if you want to do this, is to find someone that you enjoy playing with. I play with 3 others now, and even if I must do some quest for the 6-7th time to help them, I do it with a smile. They helped me, even when they didn't had the quest, and we beat the whole craglorn in one day :-D.

So grouping system is still bad, And Im still against the force grouping.

But because of a great community in the ESO, we will always find solutions :-)

See you in Cyrodiil, where I beat the crap out of your armor with my 2H mace, which has ignore armor passive, reduce amor enchanting and armor pen trait

kijima

ZOS, Y U NO LIKE SOLO PLAYA?

NadiusMaximus

F Craglorn. Only place I haven't completed. With all these threads looking for help, why can't we ever find it while in game.

zaria

Audigy wrote: »

The issue is that we don't have any group related content until Craglorn, people are so used to solo that they just don't know about LFG tools or chats.

WOW made the same mistake with WOTLK, they removed all group content except in WOTLK and then people stood there and wondered how they could do anything that was harder.

I see Craglorn being turned into a solo zone very soon and if that new group zone will still come as one ... I don't know.

The removal of the VR 1-10 group content while opening Craglorn for VR1 was a big mistake, the biggest ZO could have done.


MMOs these days are all full on group once you are max level, ZO gave you a bone though with VR1-10, a bone other companies would not have given In the end we can all just hope that MMOs in a few years might be what MMOs were in the 90s, open worlds without any type of "party invite button". These buttons killed everything MMOs were known for one.

Either you are rejected for your gear, gender, race or nationality or you simply put have to spam chat to find others since nobody knows you and you f list is empty due the lack of encouragement of playing together from level 1 on.

As for WOW, their problem was that almost anybody was max level making it hard to get somebody to do lower level world group content with. They has the dungeons and PvP.

As for ESO, the only thing they did was to nerf the veteran content, the part most people had problem with the forced solo bosses, yes weaker characters also had problem with some groups with 3 adds.

As for doing craglorn quests, the problem now is that so many do the daily dungeons. Craglorn is pretty easy, compare it to the leveled normal dungeons so anybody will be able to do it.

For veteran dungeons its different an bad group will simply not manage it.