Angry post, grouping for quests in Craglorn

OrphanHelgen

Im a nice guy, and I am not a rager. I welcome everyone, and help people with quests, even if I have done them myself.

I know it might be another post about this, but right now, I dont care.

I have been sitting for 2 days in craglorn, doing nothing but buy/sell motifs, checking guild stores for price market and talk to people. And the writs ofcourse. I cant find a group for questing. In these 2 days, I have had 3 different groups after many hours of spamming zones and guild chats (I dont like to do that btw). Everytime we finally found a group, one had to leave, or one didnt had done previous quests.. Like the one you have to do before you can complete the missing guardian quest.

When I am so tired of waitng, I go in cyrodiil, and the same things there.. No players at all.. DEAD!!!! And the alliance rank takes years to level anyway.

So now I am wondering: (I might be mistaken here)

Are ESO coming out with a new pvp zone, and a new group zone? WHY when we cant even group or do things in the zones we already have?

Right now everyone are doing daily's. I think the daily dungeon quests are ruin the chances for me to do craglorn quests, since no one want to do those quest more then once.

Again, I have been waiting and spamming chats and been patient for two days, 12 hours a day now. I just want to finish my quests.

I dont know if I am asking or just want to talk to someone about this.. I .. I need a beer.

OrangeTheCat

I feel for you. I gave up on grouping; I don't even bother with dungeons anymore. The phasing thing was a bad idea and the lack of a functional LFG tool doesn't help.

I spend my time in the new VR hell: stuck between VR1 and VR14 and trying to be effective in PvP.

OrphanHelgen

OrangeTheCat wrote: »

I feel for you. I gave up on grouping; I don't even bother with dungeons anymore. The phasing thing was a bad idea and the lack of a functional LFG tool doesn't help.

I spend my time in the new VR hell: stuck between VR1 and VR14 and trying to be effective in PvP.

Its helps when you say that.. Thank you. In two days, I can craft 8 trait set items I want.. Maybe I wait until then and try out some pvp again, or trials.

Tashira_Ronin

Are either of you on the NA server? Playing at what times? I would be happy to group with you to do any of the crag quests . I have done them, but apart from 2 lower crag quests, which once you have done them the instancing won't let you help another group, I would be more than happy to run them again.
I am assuming you have both also tried asking in guild chat?

OrangeTheCat

Tashira_Ronin wrote: »

Are either of you on the NA server? Playing at what times? I would be happy to group with you to do any of the crag quests . I have done them, but apart from 2 lower crag quests, which once you have done them the instancing won't let you help another group, I would be more than happy to run them again.
I am assuming you have both also tried asking in guild chat?

It's kind of you to make the offer. Thank you. Kindness is rarely found on these (or any gaming) forums really. I am on NA server and I usually am on (for any length of time) on the weekends, about 10 am on US west coast time zone. During the week days I rarely put more than an hour in each day around 8 pm (too beat from work to put in more).

OrphanHelgen

Tashira_Ronin wrote: »

Are either of you on the NA server? Playing at what times? I would be happy to group with you to do any of the crag quests . I have done them, but apart from 2 lower crag quests, which once you have done them the instancing won't let you help another group, I would be more than happy to run them again.
I am assuming you have both also tried asking in guild chat?

Agree with @OrangeTheCat here.. Really nice of you. It should be a page or post somewhere where players could group like that. Im ebonhearth EU server. @OrphanHelgen, can play all times at day. Working offshore and have a lot of spare time. Feel free to add :-)

OrangeTheCat

I forgot to mention I am AD.

randolphbenoit

After Cadwell Silver and Gold was done I find myself thinking why continue to play? now everything is groups. Wish there was solo option to all areas of the game. So many quests I unable to do because of PvP zones and Trails. Fix rest and skyrim bugs and ill go back playing that.

spryler

I do have some suggestions, which you may already be doing. A lot of people will spam LFG 1000 times, but are reluctant to be the person who leads the group. In other words they spam LFG and expect someone else to invite them and do the rest of the work finding other group members.

You sound like a proactive reasonable kind of guy, so you are probably already doing this. If not, invite the first person who responds so there are two of you. People respond better to LF 1M or LF 2M than they do LFG.

Of course you want to check with all your guilds and even try different zones (Undaunted Enclave is a good idea since everyone is there LF pledge groups).

Also advertise for multiple different quests. You may have to do a quest you've already done before and some other party member may have to help you with a quest that they've already done...but most are willing because they know how tough it can be. I think they fixed a lot of the quests, now others can help even if they're not on the quest.

Most quests you can do with 3 people, although sometimes you need a 4th for a mechanic. For example, The Missing Guardian is a 10 min quest that you can do with 3 people, but you need a 4th to activate the portal to the instance. I'm sure there are people in Belkarth that will run down to the lake and activate the portal, then drop group while the remaining 3 do the actual quest.

Pretty basic stuff, and again you are probably doing this already, but maybe I gave you an idea or two.

Baconlad

I can agree to a point. I think that having all the quests in craglorn make them feel very epic. Like you actually did something to help elinhir. But it is also a pain trying to find a group willing to finish, you end up running one questline multiple times just to get the end finished, rarely will you find a group, rarer more is finding a group on the same portion as you. I've been lucky to find a group and complete at least one quest a night, or every other night. I wish they would allow other factions to play and group up jn craglorn. Oh and I LOVE the group mechanic to craglorn, but i do wish they would either: Require groups for only the end of the quest for EVERY quest, or make only a quarter of the quests full group quests. I don't know which way I like more, but I do feel there needs to be more grouping required in endgame compared to base content, just less then there is now

thesilverball_ESO

In my opinion it all boils down to forced grouping and people spread thinly because of too many servers/factions etc. It's really dead in the VR zones. I'm not sure how they could do it but a more open world where the factions could mingle on content along with perhaps a solo quest option (?) would help. But that's just my opinion. I doubt they're about to modify their system based on my opinion.

Magdalina

If you're NA EP, I will group with you for any Craglorn quest I can:) Pretty sure instancing will still cut me out of a couple, but other than that.

OrangeTheCat

I suppose if, in lieu of actual people, we could hire hirelings or have "heros" (like in GW1) that we could equip (both gear and skills) then it would be less painful to do group quests.

Gyudan

@OrphanHelgen: I suggest you find a group of like-minded people who want to do the Craglorn quests. For example, in Whitestar we have started a weekly event in Craglorn for questing, with a catch-up group for people who are a bit late and an advanced one for those who have attended from the beginning. I'm sure that some other guilds are doing the same.
There are so many players complaining about Craglorn quests (with reason) that you're bound to find others in the exact same situation.

I agree that the daily pledges have probably taken many players away from Craglorn but I don't think that those players were the ones doing the quests anyway.

Good luck.

Tashira_Ronin

Indeed spryler with the exception of one of the lower crag quest which needs people to stand on ages, the first in the celestial investigator, I have for the most part done the quests with only three. Two of us running off heals, the rest a mix of dps and tank.
Though the very last upper crag quest to get the Nirn honed trait has a boss , and so many adds, at its end you want a standard dungeon team... Cos it is wicked
I am DC by the way.
I also love doing the dailies, and can rarely get people interested in them.
Forgot to say I did the lower crag quests when vr3-6, upper crag when 8-14.

OrphanHelgen

Thanks for all nice tips and comments. I was a little angry at first, and it is "nice" to see that I´m not alone. I actually grouped with some nice guys this night, and did two upper craglorn achievements

Looking for groups as two instead of one, is a really nice tip!

@Gyudan , I didn't know guilds had a craglorn quest catch-up thing once a week. Thats just awesome.

And that we only need 4 to get to the Missing Guardian quest, then continue as 3, is helping me and others a lot! Thanks @spryler

ers101284b14_ESO

Sometimes you an dual it too. I had a night like that a few days ago. I needed the group delves done. Me and this guy did two with just the two of us. Then a 3rd came in and we did another then a fourth came in and we cleared the last two I needed. The last guy in still needed a few others that I had done previously but he helped me out so I got to redo those too.

Gidorick

We desperately need Mercenaries that we can hire. The coding is already in there for us to have NPC companions....

Add 3 slots to everyone's character sheet for companions. Allow us to go into Bars, Inns, Mages Guild, Fighters Guild & to the Undaunted. Allow us to Hire NPCs to join us on our quest.

Pricing will starting at 10 gold per hour topping out at 1000 gold per hour, depending on the skill of the NPC.

When in a group, group members take one of the companion slots. Have 2 guys? You can hire 2 mercenaries. Have 3? You can hire 1. Simple enough.

I too am very VERY tired of begging for players to join me. What's worse is I'm a mid-20 level character. Almost everyone I run into anymore is a VR. No VR is going to want to run a dungeon with a level 25 character....

We NEED NPC mercenary companions... and we need them soon, the poor quality of the grouping tools in this game is game-breaking and this would be a really good fix.

Enodoc

I'm in the same situation (although it probably doesn't help that I'm trying to do Craglorn at VR1). I think the problem would be alleviated at least partially if Craglorn was cross-faction (without PvP), then there are 3x as many people, including more who may be willing to help. I'm in DC on the EU server if anyone feels like assisting

nikolaj.lemcheb16_ESO

This is a very serious problem and it will probably be even worse in the future. The problem is that the champion system means that you can almost forever improve yourself but there is no solo pve content in the game to facilitate this.
Second the next pve adventurer zone is a group quest zone like Craglorn AGAIN.

It sound like madness. There is already tons of group content at the endgame. All the dungeons, the trials, the arena and pvp. There is no solo pve end game content what so ever.

And they add in a system where solo content is even more needed combined with even more group content???????

What they need to do is to make all of open land content and repeatable open land quests solo and then leave groups for trials, dungeons and so on. This should apply to Craglorn and the new zone too.

AngryNord

Hi @OrphanHelgen
I kinda share Your sentiment, although have been able to get Groups together do do almost all of the Lower Craglorn stuff by now, I think I only lack Shada's Tear.. So it definately IS possible, but Yeah, takes patience and can sometimes be downright frustrating...

AlnilamE

I think that better grouping tools would help a lot with this.

In NA EP I find that there are quite a few people looking for groups in Craglorn for questing, but they aren't necessarily looking for the same quests.

In my case, I usually get to Craglorn with a group already formed if I'm going to quest, so we can't pick someone else up, unfortunately.

But yeah, if you are in a social/PvE guild, trying to get a "Craglorn Questing" event going may be a good idea. Those quests are quite fun, and even if you've already done them, you get a fair amount of XP killing the mobs when you are helping someone else.

randolphbenoit wrote: »

After Cadwell Silver and Gold was done I find myself thinking why continue to play? now everything is groups. Wish there was solo option to all areas of the game. So many quests I unable to do because of PvP zones and Trails. Fix rest and skyrim bugs and ill go back playing that.

You should really give the PvE in Cyrodiil a try. It's a lot of fun. I've done it all on my main, and have all the skyshards/dungeons on my "main alt", but I still need to do the quests there with her.

Gidorick wrote: »

We desperately need Mercenaries that we can hire. The coding is already in there for us to have NPC companions....

Add 3 slots to everyone's character sheet for companions. Allow us to go into Bars, Inns, Mages Guild, Fighters Guild & to the Undaunted. Allow us to Hire NPCs to join us on our quest.

Pricing will starting at 10 gold per hour topping out at 1000 gold per hour, depending on the skill of the NPC.

When in a group, group members take one of the companion slots. Have 2 guys? You can hire 2 mercenaries. Have 3? You can hire 1. Simple enough.

I too am very VERY tired of begging for players to join me. What's worse is I'm a mid-20 level character. Almost everyone I run into anymore is a VR. No VR is going to want to run a dungeon with a level 25 character....

We NEED NPC mercenary companions... and we need them soon, the poor quality of the grouping tools in this game is game-breaking and this would be a really good fix.

I would say first fix the grouping tools. Then add at most 1 mercenary companion.

Also no to having more than one pet out. :-P

Bouvin

ZOS doesn't seem to care to much about the issue. They've already lost most of the solo players (which, surprisingly, make up a huge portion of MMO populations).

At this point, just wait until the next big MMO comes out. ZOS will take a huge hit due to people being bored out of their minds, and frustrated that there is no end game zone they can play solo in.

eserras7b16_ESO

I suggest you find a decent and friendly guild Friends is what you need. Add people to friends when you play with someone and ask to join a guild.

zaria

eserras7b16_ESO wrote: »

I suggest you find a decent and friendly guild Friends is what you need. Add people to friends when you play with someone and ask to join a guild.

This, it makes it easy to get runs, might also be an idea to group with lower level veterans in guild, craglorn dungeons are much easier than the new veteran dungeons.

AS for solo play in MMO at endgame, WOW don't have much of it either outside of the same dailies, at least they did not during cataclysm.
All MMO also has dead zones. However it would be nice to make craglorn more completive, perhaps increase the xp gain from doing craglorn quests simply enough.

GamerzElite

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

Tashira_Ronin wrote: »

Are either of you on the NA server? Playing at what times? I would be happy to group with you to do any of the crag quests . I have done them, but apart from 2 lower crag quests, which once you have done them the instancing won't let you help another group, I would be more than happy to run them again.
I am assuming you have both also tried asking in guild chat?

Agree with @OrangeTheCat here.. Really nice of you. It should be a page or post somewhere where players could group like that. Im ebonhearth EU server. @OrphanHelgen, can play all times at day. Working offshore and have a lot of spare time. Feel free to add :-)

I am also in EP-EU, My main char is VR14 and Alt is VR6 in game id @GamerzElite

Jagath

I'm AD on the NA server and have a v14 with only one crag quest completed. If you want to group anytime just send me a message in game...my game name is same as forums.

Audigy

The issue is that we don't have any group related content until Craglorn, people are so used to solo that they just don't know about LFG tools or chats.

WOW made the same mistake with WOTLK, they removed all group content except in WOTLK and then people stood there and wondered how they could do anything that was harder.

I see Craglorn being turned into a solo zone very soon and if that new group zone will still come as one ... I don't know.

The removal of the VR 1-10 group content while opening Craglorn for VR1 was a big mistake, the biggest ZO could have done.


MMOs these days are all full on group once you are max level, ZO gave you a bone though with VR1-10, a bone other companies would not have given In the end we can all just hope that MMOs in a few years might be what MMOs were in the 90s, open worlds without any type of "party invite button". These buttons killed everything MMOs were known for one.

Either you are rejected for your gear, gender, race or nationality or you simply put have to spam chat to find others since nobody knows you and you f list is empty due the lack of encouragement of playing together from level 1 on.

Nazon_Katts

AD/EU available for all of Craglorn, as I still haven't found a group and thus haven't completed a single quest.

If ZOS can't properly incentivize group content, they should just do away with group zones, as developing content only played by and accessible to a minority isn't very effective. If they must stay, tune them for duo play at least.

Even then cross faction play is a must, unless the content could be solo'ed. But why have group zones then in the first place.

Enodoc

Enodoc wrote: »

I'm in DC on the EU server [...]

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

[...] Im ebonhearth EU server. [...]

GamerzElite wrote: »

I am also in EP-EU,[...]

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

AD/EU available for all of Craglorn, [...]
Even then cross faction play is a must,

If they would just implement cross-faction PvE now, we have a group!

Nazon_Katts

Enodoc wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

I'm in DC on the EU server [...]

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

[...] Im ebonhearth EU server. [...]

GamerzElite wrote: »

I am also in EP-EU,[...]

Nazon_Katts wrote: »

AD/EU available for all of Craglorn, [...]
Even then cross faction play is a must,

If they would just implement cross-faction PvE now, we have a group!