Returning player. Whats changed in the world of ESO? Convince me this is worth it.

Ragefist

Requiemslove wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

If you need to be convinced by other people that is part of the problem.

OK, but if you read my OP you will see why. I do not need to be convinced that ESO could be a great MMO in time but its a package deal. I have my reasons for feeling something MUST convince me. Once you get burned like I did...takes something particular to make things just stop being bad.

You dont need convincing dude. You need a hug and perhaps to see your therapist more often. First world problems at its best

Valen_Byte

I like ESO

bosmern_ESO

It seems that all you care about is money when you played. I'm gonna let you in on something, when you are playing a MMO with a subscription and you are caring more about money then the game, maybe you shouldn't be playing a subscription game.

Everyone on forums and in game pay a subscription, ZoS isn't going to pamper you anymore then they do everyone else. Not only that, they do check forums, they do see everything you write. There is a division in ZoS called "Community management team" they are paid to look at forums, listen to players, help players with problems, etc all day.

Just because they don't respond doesn't mean they didn't see it.

Leeric

Ill let you guys on a little secret. Anytime someone uses the words, "Convince Me" they have already made up their mind, and nothing anyone says, will convince them otherwise. Its a bait so they can vent passive aggressively without seeming like they are doing so. Just thought I share that.

Darlgon

Leeric wrote: »

Ill let you guys on a little secret. Anytime someone uses the words, "Convince Me" they have already made up their mind, and nothing anyone says, will convince them otherwise. Its a bait so they can vent passive aggressively without seeming like they are doing so. Just thought I share that.

Convince me.. oh.. wait..

Vizier

Requiemslove wrote: »

Vizier wrote: »

Umm. You agreed to their terms of service which includes method of payment and time to do so. That your access was limited/locked/blocked, after non-payment was a reasonable and appropriate action on ZoS's part.

Being rear end hurt over it and then subjecting everyone to your wall of text about it... nah. Zos did exactly what they should have. Sorry man but they are not a public utility cutting off your water, gas and electricity. Get over it.

Pay and play or don't pay and don't. The game being worth it or not is relative.

Actually I still paid the sub without [mostly] playing the game. Learn to read, eh.

"subscription"
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8y-qy9N01I

Pheefs

the game is fun, and immersive, and exciting!

but your post doesn't talk much about the game play, it talks about...

Requiemslove wrote: »

having felt as a little person trampled in the dirt, by the company that make this game

from a healthy business model point of view, what exactly is the purpose of subscriptions/monthly payments if they just let everyone have a week free subscription each month? ...which seems to be what you are asking for.

and why should activity on the forums translate into a longer grace period for late payments?
There was no live person who ignored the fabulous ESO life of @Requiemslove.... an automated system kicked you, and rightly so.

Come back because the game is AWESOME, and don't waste your anger on a policy that kicks people for non-payment.

HydroCanuck

Most MMO's cancel your subscription, the day it runs out, if payment is not made. The fact that you still got to play for a week after, is unheard of. Pay your bills, kids.

HydroCanuck

Lol, oh man, I had to comment again. I've been playing MMOs since Ultima Online. This is the first time I've seen someone leave, blaming the company, because the user couldn't pay the bill. They ain't the Hydro Company. Ain't no grace periods lol

TheLaw

Is this a serious post?

Razzak

Requiemslove wrote: »

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO wrote: »

If you need to be convinced by other people that is part of the problem.

OK, but if you read my OP you will see why. I do not need to be convinced that ESO could be a great MMO in time but its a package deal. I have my reasons for feeling something MUST convince me. Once you get burned like I did...takes something particular to make things just stop being bad.

If you got burned out, no. Wait for champ system to come out. Other than that, there really isn't much that has changed. Some bugs have been fixed, some not and we even have joy of playing with some new ones.
Lag and combat unresponsiveness are still there and are showing no signs of leaving, official communication is still laughable, patches are still wonky and the game still looks like it did. Except NPCs now show their teeth when they are talking to you.

EQOAnostalgia

What the the nine did i just read!?

Requiemslove

bosmern_ESO wrote: »

It seems that all you care about is money when you played. I'm gonna let you in on something, when you are playing a MMO with a subscription and you are caring more about money then the game, maybe you shouldn't be playing a subscription game.

Everyone on forums and in game pay a subscription, ZoS isn't going to pamper you anymore then they do everyone else. Not only that, they do check forums, they do see everything you write. There is a division in ZoS called "Community management team" they are paid to look at forums, listen to players, help players with problems, etc all day.

Just because they don't respond doesn't mean they didn't see it.

@Bosmern Seriously, you silly person if I cared more about the money, ZOS would not have seen one single DIME from me. I would have been out the door by the end of the free month. Not only that I would have DEMANDED a refund. But I really want ESO to succeed and improve, and be the MMO it CAN be. So I paid for a subscription for a game, even after the 3rd month [ESO 4 months live] when my hours spent playing began to drop, and drop and drop some more, and my hours spent on these forums increased. I paid a subscription for this game while having a month go by when I played it...for 2 hours. Your assertion I care more about the money, than the game is BS. I care more about the GAME. My subscription was support for this game. I feel trampled, I feel let down by ZOS simply because they don't RECOGNISE that support, and only seem to see the £$. What are they, WB? Are they like WB? Is that what they are already turning into. Effing Warner Brothers? There was not even an email to state the way things had gone. Its not even that my previous subscription was cancelled, that bugs me, its that they don't recognise dedicated players when they see them. By all means, cancel the game subscription, but don't automatically shut dedicated players out.

Requiemslove

HydroCanuck wrote: »

Lol, oh man, I had to comment again. I've been playing MMOs since Ultima Online. This is the first time I've seen someone leave, blaming the company, because the user couldn't pay the bill. They ain't the Hydro Company. Ain't no grace periods lol

Actually this thread is asking for reasons why I should stay. The game will speak for itself. I will let it do so, and honestly if I still feel there is a reason to hang around, I will. These forums on the other hand, from the responses in this thread give me little other than concern. People, for the most part on this thread have been unreasonable jerks. Jerks who don't even read the OP or understand exactly what the issues are. Jerks who simply respond to EVERYTHING in a non constructive way.

NotSo

Well to be a subscriber you must pay the subscription fee, when you dont pay the subscription fee, you are no longer a subscriber. Since you feel so hurt about having been given an inadequate amount of overtime to pay your subscription fee, please note that the robot behind maintaining active accounts for active subscriptions does not feel anything at all for exclusion of any account that is not maintaining the subscription. You can however pick right back up where you left off when you first missed your subscription payment by paying for the subscription fee. Any convincing you think you need for continuing your subscription will not be offered by me and I will instead insist that you go play a different MMO without a subscription fee and with an account that you will be able to maintain all the time because you won't be excluded from the active accounts because you won't have to pay a subscription fee that you probably wouldn't have paid after a few months anyways.

axiomaticb14a_ESO

Requiemslove wrote: »

Actually this thread is asking for reasons why I should stay. The game will speak for itself. I will let it do so, and honestly if I still feel there is a reason to hang around, I will. These forums on the other hand, from the responses in this thread give me little other than concern. People, for the most part on this thread have been unreasonable jerks. Jerks who don't even read the OP or understand exactly what the issues are. Jerks who simply respond to EVERYTHING in a non constructive way.

No, what these people are responding to is your entitled and misguided notion about how subscriptions work, how economic transactions work, and how you have a level of responsibility and accountability that you are trying your hardest to wish away. There is a very obvious reason why you felt you needed to dedicate so much time to explaining when it all went south between you and ESO. And throughout the whole thread you've sounded spoiled and bratty while trying to camouflage it behind "fan passion" for the game series. Give it up already. If you can't find any reason to keep playing the game, stop playing again. ANd if you've really just restarted your subscription, YOU take the time and energy to find out whats changed and what you may like. We're not here to hand hold you through your new adventures in ESO.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

Requiemslove wrote: »

HydroCanuck wrote: »

Lol, oh man, I had to comment again. I've been playing MMOs since Ultima Online. This is the first time I've seen someone leave, blaming the company, because the user couldn't pay the bill. They ain't the Hydro Company. Ain't no grace periods lol

Actually this thread is asking for reasons why I should stay. The game will speak for itself. I will let it do so, and honestly if I still feel there is a reason to hang around, I will. These forums on the other hand, from the responses in this thread give me little other than concern. People, for the most part on this thread have been unreasonable jerks. Jerks who don't even read the OP or understand exactly what the issues are. Jerks who simply respond to EVERYTHING in a non constructive way.

You came in belittling the company and begging people to convince you to try it again. Noone cares. You like it or you dont you arent special. If you cancel your sub it will make absolutely no difference. Adults do not act in this way. The other person coined it best I think that you feel entitled to far too much for your miniscule contribution to the game.

kijima

Requiemslove wrote: »

Is this worth coming back to?

Depends on how much do you like lag?

B_lov3d

1) pay on time and you won't lose your sub
2) what mmo has ever given a grace period?
3) why would an mmo give a grace period? its a game not a utility company xD
4) why re-sub if you need convincing to even want to play it?
5) read the patch notes, find a video about the recent updates, etc and go play the game. You have a full month sub to convince yourself.

Gah do braincells grow back? I'm currently feeling in need of some after this. >_>

Requiemslove

This thread has gone south. First of all, in no way do I see myself as special, and I have no feelings of "entitlement" Second, I know how subscriptions work, I just feel it is against any MMO games developers best interests to employ an auto cancel system for late subscriptions. Call me crazy, but I would much rather allow a small amount of leeway, and just have a subscription method that automatically adds on the missed currency. As for people saying my small change, if gone, wont be missed, no, probably not yet Tesco said it best. EVERY LITTLE HELPS. Is it really ENTITLEMENT, to want to continue being a little bit that helps, even if it is only very very miniscule. Is it entitlement to WANT TO CONTINUE PAYING A SUB EVEN WHEN A BIT LATE? People here are complaining that I sounded Bratty. You don't get it, I suppose. I have complained because I WANTED TO CONTINUE GIVING ZOS MONEY. I couldn't do that and felt slighted when, without any prior warning my previous subscription was ended just like that, simply because I wanted to continue supporting this game.

All you people against me, are having a go at me for really wanting to help support this game. What planet are you on? I get that maybe I should have been a bit more rational and not gone off the hinge about the cancellation of my subscription, but you're really going to have a go at me for showing dedication, and wanting my old sub to continue, despite barely playing, and willing to foot the missed days...more than willing. Madness. In no way would I ever want to have "free days" unless offered to all, by ZOS, and neither do I ever see myself as deserving of special treatment. I just don't like the auto cancellation method ZOS employs BECAUSE THEY WILL LOOSE REVENUE FROM IT. Frankly more flexibility would suit them better.

As for anyone who said I came here begging for others to convince me. NO, that is wrong. I threw a gauntlet down, demanding for people to TRY. Just like I am demanding for ZOS to explain WHY they are throwing revenue away. They do not have to. Its simply a lazy system they use. As for this thread...well, before, when things were hunky dory, maybe I stayed blind to the horrible amount of cynicism and intolerance towards ANYTHING that does not fit into some of you individuals "Utopias" That you hide it with the tag "being a brat" speaks volumes. Its even blindingly obvious some of you would LIKE to force others away. Now I cant not promise I wont stick around simply to annoy said individuals and get up your shirts.

NotSo

Wait but you didn't show dedication, that was precisely why your sub ended. ZOS is being very lenient in that your missed/late payment doesn't ping your credit score. Just take this all with a rock of salt when I say that most of the feedback you have been getting is well argued because after the first few posts you began attacking everyone that didn't take the time to describe ESO in a manner that would get the Pope on board. Literally, the first poster listed out good things to come and you ignored it. So the next thing is wondering why you flaunt your "dedication" like it's the new best thing to hit the shelves since toilet paper.

I, for one, will stay will ESO because khajiits. What more could you need?

Sincerely,
Guy who is mad that you're mad.

P.S. If you just remove the part about subs and not paying them in your op, you would sound 5835% more real about wanting to rejoin ESO. Sorry if the entire forum got off on the wrong foot.

Darlgon

Requiemslove wrote: »

This thread has gone south. First of all, in no way do I see myself as special, and I have no feelings of "entitlement" Second, I know how subscriptions work, I just feel it is against any MMO games developers best interests to employ an auto cancel system for late subscriptions.

Hah.. hah.. hah.. stopped reading right there. Sorry dude..no, you have no clue how MMO subs work.. an actual person deciding when your sub stopped .. that was before there were MMOs, (maybe in 1980?). Every sub MMO cancels your access at the HOUR it expires. Even Archeage, which has a free to play option, lets you play after your sub expires, but will not accept taxes and starts a countdown for a two-week grace period to pay for another sub, to put your land up for sale the second your sub expires. Lotro.. lol.. I logged in after they screwed up my billing one time, to being unable to even enter entire expansions.

AlnilamE

Requiemslove wrote: »

This thread has gone south. First of all, in no way do I see myself as special, and I have no feelings of "entitlement" Second, I know how subscriptions work, I just feel it is against any MMO games developers best interests to employ an auto cancel system for late subscriptions. Call me crazy, but I would much rather allow a small amount of leeway, and just have a subscription method that automatically adds on the missed currency.

MMmm... I don't see it that way. Any way, it certainly benefits YOU. Because they cancelled your sub and it took you 5 days to notice. And if you had just paid the sub then and there, your subscription would have started counting then and there rather than paying retroactively for those days when you didn't play anyway.

Yes, having your account suspended on you is not nice, but if you fix the problem (ie, pay) it instantly resolves itself.

I had an issue with my first payment after the 30-day free ended. I was not able to log in that day and I took care of it right away and that was that. No drama necessary.

I'm not sure what I can say about the game. You seem to expect it to be Skyrim Online. I must confess that when I first played the open Beta weekends, I kept thinking of all the ways this game wasn't Skyrim or Oblivion, and I wasn't actually going to buy it. I ended up getting it and it really grew on me on its own merits. There are things that make this game great that will never be in a single-player game, and there are things in the single-player games that will never be in this game. I can live with that.

I think you should maybe take a deep breath, then go back and read your first post and your replies as if they had been written by a stranger and consider how they sound.

OrangeTheCat

OP: just stfu, resub for a month, and decide for yourself, then stay/leave as you think. Just avoid telling us about.

Requiemslove

All this is bitterness, I accept that, even my own. I accept and apologise for my own inability to truly express my actual problems here. I also must express that you literally CAN NOT comment on these forums if you don't have a subscription, so my commenting here already verifies I have one. I will however clarify a few things. It did not take me 5 days to notice my old sub had been cancelled. It took me...10 hours. Because I had gone to bed the night before [after playing this for a few hours btw] and tried to log in the next day around 08:30 and could not.

I still maintain they should handle subscriptions differently. It would not take all that much to program into the thing that handles subscriptions, some form of grace period, as I have before suggested. I want this simply so that subscriptions carry over more, because you know sometimes things mess up, we are humans after all and don't always get things right. But just because you are incapable of continuing a thing one day, does not mean you cant in 3 or 4. And I feel ESO would benefit from allowing a grace period and a system where you pay for what you owe including those days you owe before you renew. The way I see it, you miss a few days it should just get added to your next payment. The sub is only £8.99 normally, some of us would have no issues paying another few £ in the event we mess up, and would rather it be like that then have to resubscribe. Tell me, is that really so terrible?

I apologise for the tone of my original post and the bitter tone of my follow up posts. I know they sound unreasonable but they are more due to frustration than anything else. However I will not apologise for my reaction to some of you, who have been frankly equally unreasonable. This thread would have gone better had more commenters here been more measured instead of the majority of what people here HAVE said.

Not everyone who pays for this game actually plays it, some of us pay for it as an investment in what it can become in enough time. I see myself as one of those. I have played it quite a lot for the first 4-5 months. I have not reached vet status mostly because I have a lot of alts, and often either play other MMOs or play console games. That does not diminish my passion for this game. I want it to succeed and want to be a small part in helping it succeed. Honestly I would probably play this MMO more were the booting up process not so long...waiting 10 minutes to get past the sign in, is NOT cool, and I feel ZOS ought to work on that. In reality I simply wish ZOS would not treat their subscriptions as simply £$, because they really are NOT just £$, they are support, and support should be cherished.

Looking at all that, I realise it is long, and I ask only those who wish to be reasonable and measured reply. [if you want] Those of you I feel have been unreasonable need not reply and I would prefer you do not. I do not want any more conflict on this, I want reasoned and fair debate. Because ESO I hope will be a long term thing, and debate on issues [of which the issue I have raised here I feel is a valid one] is how you try to exact change for the better.

jamesharv2005ub17_ESO

You say you dont feel entitled but somehow feel entitled to play the game after your sub runs out. There is no need for any grace period. Pay your bill sir.

TequilaFire

If you subscribe monthly your payment should be auto billed to your credit card
paypal or bank account and you won't miss a payment.
Also, never expect empathy from a game forum.

Tandor

I saw the wall of text, and realised my immediate reaction to the thread title was right - someone who needs to be convinced by others that a game is worth it is looking at the wrong game.

EDIT: Having read a couple of the OPs initial posts, I'll add to what I said by commenting that his annoyance at ZOS for cancelling his subscription after his payment failed is ridiculous, what does he think they were supposed to do? Does he know any other MMO companies that allow the account to remain active a single moment after payment was due but failed? Secondly, it's equally ridiculous later on to renew his subscription and then ask us whether the game is worth it. By then he's got a month in which to find out for himself.

Ashtaris

Sorry, but I don't feel that you were burned. ESO is a business, and depends on subscribers to stay in business. Like others have mentioned, if they offered a grace period, then there would be those who would take advantage of it constantly. And I'm sure it was nothing personal at their end, but you are taking it personally.

HydroCanuck

Holy TL;DR Batman!
Play or don't. Nobody cares