Lets take a minuite to talk about warlock rings.

SRIBES

Ah warlock rings.. Overpriced and super low drop rate. I'm just wondering, is this a bug or intended? There really are not any other items with a drop rate this low. You could try to farm them for days and still not get them. The amount of gold they cost is insane. 100k+ roflmao.. Can someone tell me if this is a bug or not? And if it isn't do you think zos should fix it and actully make it more affordable?

PBpsy

tplink3r1

I hope they dont "fix" it, i like the idea of this game having "rare" items.

Jennifur_Vultee

I got the Walock set hood, shoulders and necklace pretty easily, it two months of running the Stonefalls VR1 Dwemer ruin to get one ring, it took another month to get the second ring. The second one came from my frustration and I went off killing shalk beetles at a nearby village and on my way back to Davon's Watch I killed a shalk that dropped the second Warlock ring. That mage character I play with my girlfriend and she plays a few nights a week maybe so it's taken us three months to get to VR3 and it took me that entire time to get the two Warlock rings. I would run the Dwemer ruins daily, I ended up getting a page from the Dwemer motif and about 50 dwemer scrap in the process plus rings and pieces from other sets, mostly Syrabane and Red Mountain.

So yeah they nerfed drop rates on the Warlock rings right about the time I got that mage to VR, so around 3 months ago they nerfed drops on them all levels it drops for.

The mage I play solo was in Stonefalls a long time ago and Warlock pieces all dropped so commonly I was giving them away to friends.

PBpsy

tplink3r1 wrote: »

I hope they dont "fix" it, i like the idea of this game having "rare" items.

They are not rare. They are practically impossible to get anymore by design.A rare gear set is stuff that you get from Sanctum Ophidia. Warlock at V12 is something that some of us were lucky to get before they made it drop "at an (intentionally) low rate" a couple of patches ago.

SRIBES

tplink3r1 wrote: »

I hope they dont "fix" it, i like the idea of this game having "rare" items.

I like the idea of rare items also but not if it's through farming for days on end. If it was, through specific hard achivments or quests that would make more sense to me.

dharbert

The drop rate for the Warlock ring is fine. I personally have around 20 of the VR1 Warlock ring. You just have to farm the delve/area enough. The reason players aren't seeing many high level Warlock rings is because those areas don't get farmed enough or fast enough to make it a viable option. The delve that I farm mine in I can clear in about 3 minutes. Rinse, repeat.

There are far more rare items in this game. Tell me how many of you have ever seen a VR12 Claw Of The Dragon, VR12 Mantle Of The Dragon, VR12 Thunderous Cuirass......

derpsticks

I recently bought a VR13 Thunderous Cuirass for only a few 1000 gold. I am currently looking for a purple VR13 amulet but haven't seen one yet. I've seen a purple VR12 and own a blue VR12 but still want the 13.

The other set I think is most rare is Durok's Bane. Certain pieces can be found but others are never around.

Gyudan

dharbert wrote: »

Tell me how many of you have ever seen a VR12 Claw Of The Dragon, VR12 Mantle Of The Dragon, VR12 Thunderous Cuirass......

In my deconstruct history, probably quite many. :disagree:

PBpsy

dharbert wrote: »

The drop rate for the Warlock ring is fine. I personally have around 20 of the VR1 Warlock ring. You just have to farm the delve/area enough. The reason players aren't seeing many high level Warlock rings is because those areas don't get farmed enough or fast enough to make it a viable option. The delve that I farm mine in I can clear in about 3 minutes. Rinse, repeat.

There are far more rare items in this game. Tell me how many of you have ever seen a VR12 Claw Of The Dragon, VR12 Mantle Of The Dragon, VR12 Thunderous Cuirass......

You clearly have no clue what the discussion is about. Nobody cares about VR1 signets. What we are talking about is VR12 signets of the warlock which are the only one worth using . These only dropped from AA trial bosses and are officially supposed to now drop from trash mobs in AA at a extremely low rate.At this time there is no reason to believe that that drop rate is not 0 since no one has convincingly confirmed that they actually drop.

Pretty sure the reason that Thunderous stuff doesn't drop at V12 is because it doesn't actually exist.

dharbert

PBpsy wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

The drop rate for the Warlock ring is fine. I personally have around 20 of the VR1 Warlock ring. You just have to farm the delve/area enough. The reason players aren't seeing many high level Warlock rings is because those areas don't get farmed enough or fast enough to make it a viable option. The delve that I farm mine in I can clear in about 3 minutes. Rinse, repeat.

There are far more rare items in this game. Tell me how many of you have ever seen a VR12 Claw Of The Dragon, VR12 Mantle Of The Dragon, VR12 Thunderous Cuirass......

You clearly have no clue what the discussion is about. Nobody cares about VR1 signets. What we are talking about is VR12 signets of the warlock which are the only one worth using . These only dropped from AA trial bosses and are officially supposed to now drop from trash mobs in AA at a extremely low rate.At this time there is no reason to believe that that drop rate is not 0 since no one has convincingly confirmed that they actually drop.

Pretty sure the reason that Thunderous stuff doesn't drop at V12 is because it doesn't actually exist.

The Thunderous (and many other) sets drop in VR12/VR13 because I have all of them except for a few pieces.

Suck it up and use the VR1 Warlock rings. At least you will be able to complete the set.

SRIBES

dharbert wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

The drop rate for the Warlock ring is fine. I personally have around 20 of the VR1 Warlock ring. You just have to farm the delve/area enough. The reason players aren't seeing many high level Warlock rings is because those areas don't get farmed enough or fast enough to make it a viable option. The delve that I farm mine in I can clear in about 3 minutes. Rinse, repeat.

There are far more rare items in this game. Tell me how many of you have ever seen a VR12 Claw Of The Dragon, VR12 Mantle Of The Dragon, VR12 Thunderous Cuirass......

You clearly have no clue what the discussion is about. Nobody cares about VR1 signets. What we are talking about is VR12 signets of the warlock which are the only one worth using . These only dropped from AA trial bosses and are officially supposed to now drop from trash mobs in AA at a extremely low rate.At this time there is no reason to believe that that drop rate is not 0 since no one has convincingly confirmed that they actually drop.

Pretty sure the reason that Thunderous stuff doesn't drop at V12 is because it doesn't actually exist.

The Thunderous (and many other) sets drop in VR12/VR13 because I have all of them except for a few pieces.

Suck it up and use the VR1 Warlock rings. At least you will be able to complete the set.

I need v12 rings for my build. It use warlock + potion cool down, you need v10 potion cool down enchants on rings to be able to drink pots that are v5 with the cooldown.

Hybris6

PBpsy wrote: »

Damn you! I think i actually wet my pants. Rotflh

Mud_Puppy

Lets cry and make everything super easy to get and everything BoE that way no one ever has to earn anything and people can get whatever they want when they want.

Plz stahp.

chipputer

Mud_Puppy wrote: »

Lets cry and make everything super easy to get

Yep. That's exactly what everyone is asking for in the case of these rings. Yep. Just want them handed to us. Yep. Don't, at all, just want a semblance of a fair chance to get them, especially for players who don't really enjoy trials (and in some cases some people can't do them due to their schedule).

Unknown_poster

Why cry about the warlock set? There are much better sets out there for mana management. They removed the v12 rings from the loot table to get you to play with other sets. As PBpsy so elegantly showed you, search function would have pointed you at any of the other 20 past topic posts beating this dead horse. If you need the pos set to make your build viable, relook at your build.

tplink3r1

PBpsy wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

I hope they dont "fix" it, i like the idea of this game having "rare" items.

They are not rare. They are practically impossible to get anymore by design.A rare gear set is stuff that you get from Sanctum Ophidia. Warlock at V12 is something that some of us were lucky to get before they made it drop "at an (intentionally) low rate" a couple of patches ago.

they are still dropping.

PBpsy

dharbert wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

The drop rate for the Warlock ring is fine. I personally have around 20 of the VR1 Warlock ring. You just have to farm the delve/area enough. The reason players aren't seeing many high level Warlock rings is because those areas don't get farmed enough or fast enough to make it a viable option. The delve that I farm mine in I can clear in about 3 minutes. Rinse, repeat.

There are far more rare items in this game. Tell me how many of you have ever seen a VR12 Claw Of The Dragon, VR12 Mantle Of The Dragon, VR12 Thunderous Cuirass......

You clearly have no clue what the discussion is about. Nobody cares about VR1 signets. What we are talking about is VR12 signets of the warlock which are the only one worth using . These only dropped from AA trial bosses and are officially supposed to now drop from trash mobs in AA at a extremely low rate.At this time there is no reason to believe that that drop rate is not 0 since no one has convincingly confirmed that they actually drop.

Pretty sure the reason that Thunderous stuff doesn't drop at V12 is because it doesn't actually exist.

The Thunderous (and many other) sets drop in VR12/VR13 because I have all of them except for a few pieces.

Suck it up and use the VR1 Warlock rings. At least you will be able to complete the set.

Ok. Maybe that set dropping at V12-14 is a new thing I payed no attention to.

I do not have to use VR1 signets because I do have V12 signets that I have found or bought before the nerf in AA. I would like to have more to adjust various glyph set ups but 3 will do.
I do however think that the drop rate super nerf was uncalled for. That set is really only useful for healer builds and some pvp builds since it allows 2X5+2 set bonuses with a lot of impenetrable.For almost anything else 3xSoulshine is much better.

tplink3r1 wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

tplink3r1 wrote: »

I hope they dont "fix" it, i like the idea of this game having "rare" items.

They are not rare. They are practically impossible to get anymore by design.A rare gear set is stuff that you get from Sanctum Ophidia. Warlock at V12 is something that some of us were lucky to get before they made it drop "at an (intentionally) low rate" a couple of patches ago.

they are still dropping.

Where? When? Do you have non bs proof. I haven't heard no one I can trust in my guilds say that got signets to drop. I do get plenty of light armor pieces for it and I have actually sold 5 warlock V12 amulets in the last 6 weeks. I haven't even seen the supposed 100k+ price signets though

Xexpo

PBpsy wrote: »

checked every thread for the past month... didn't see a dev post/reply about the recent rarity (maybe I missed it)

I believe the problem is when they released DSA, they also changed the trial boss drops to 'purple only' ... warlock rings got excluded because they do not exist in purple form and they were not added to the game

I could be convinced to believe this was intentional , despite people saying things like warlock is overrated, it is the only magicka management set that drops in EVERY slot except weapon
that give tons of flexibility , perhaps too much

I would be surprised to see them drop again regularly before 1.6

PBpsy

kaer426 wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

checked every thread for the past month... didn't see a dev post/reply about the recent rarity (maybe I missed it)

I believe the problem is when they released DSA, they also changed the trial boss drops to 'purple only' ... warlock rings got excluded because they do not exist in purple form and they were not added to the game

I could be convinced to believe this was intentional , despite people saying things like warlock is overrated, it is the only magicka management set that drops in EVERY slot except weapon
that give tons of flexibility , perhaps too much

I would be surprised to see them drop again regularly before 1.6

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/comment/1319006/#Comment_1319006
I am a bit unsure how it will look on your end but is should the second to last post on the third page of that thread. It is possible a bit older than one month since this is an issue older than one month.

As for the value of the set My opinion is that it is pretty bad without 2 signets and decent in pvp for some builds and for healers. For dps it is a bad set and doesn't even come close to 4Aether/4Twilight's3/Soulshine for magicka builds. I love it on my pretty bad NB healer set up since it makes it be somewhat viable. . I also hear that Temp healers like it a lot . In conclusion a pretty situational set that in no way required a nerf. If we could craft jewelry no one would actually care for it.

Epona222

Thing is, I've managed on low level alts to get 5 Warlock set items within the last 12 hours - all at level 17-20 though. It seems the drop rate for that level is high. I have not a single Warlock item for my VR10, they become rarer and rarer at higher levels. It is a bit odd.

NadiusMaximus

This intentional lowering of drop rates is bs.

What about new players? eso guys keep saying they do stuff to fight gear creep or what ever they call it but but then intentionally do something to implement it into the game.

The way it is now, the guys that have been playing for a year already have such a leg up on new players it's not even funny. Especially for Templars, the warlock set is pretty much the way to go since our magica sucks without it. I'm glad I found the v1 set when I did, then a couple v12, but now they are things of campfire stories.

Another thing is being emperor, is it even possible without having four or five people play the same toon 24/7?

TehMagnus

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Ah warlock rings.. Overpriced and super low drop rate. I'm just wondering, is this a bug or intended? There really are not any other items with a drop rate this low. You could try to farm them for days and still not get them. The amount of gold they cost is insane. 100k+ roflmao.. Can someone tell me if this is a bug or not? And if it isn't do you think zos should fix it and actully make it more affordable?

I think it's just fine. It's the most used item in the game so it's the most wanted so it costs 100k since it's rare.

It's not like you can't go arena and farm the healer's jewelry (which costs roughly the same) that give the same stats as the warlock one .

Terror

removed.

Stuffedduck

kaer426 wrote: »

PBpsy wrote: »

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I believe the problem is when they released DSA, they also changed the trial boss drops to 'purple only' ... warlock rings got excluded because they do not exist in purple form and they were not added to the game

...

3 days ago I did see a purple V12 ring on EU server ... they (or maybe it?) exist(s).

Saint_JiubB14_ESO

The whole issue is that the rings were quite plentiful, but now are extremely rare. it punishes players who didn't grind the crap out of AA early. period. it is bad design. great way to have high turnover is to have new players find out they can't get some good gear older players have access to because reasons. and it sets a bad preident for future issues and how ZoS will handle them.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno : is this issues being looked at by the team and are changes at least being considered?

NadiusMaximus

Saint_JiubB14_ESO wrote: »

The whole issue is that the rings were quite plentiful, but now are extremely rare. it punishes players who didn't grind the crap out of AA early. period. it is bad design. great way to have high turnover is to have new players find out they can't get some good gear older players have access to because reasons. and it sets a bad preident for future issues and how ZoS will handle them.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno : is this issues being looked at by the team and are changes at least being considered?

Agree times eleventy billion.

Epona222

To the person who gave me a LOL - do you want screenshots? I still have at least 4 Warlock items (I think I may have deconstructed the 5th which was a robe, I use a heavy chest piece and didn't need it, and a lvl 15-20 item isn't easily sold).

If the LOL is because you do not believe me, I will post screenshots of my inventory. Just say if you need proof. I have 2 necklaces and 2 rings left.

If the LOL is for other reasons, then please enter into discussion rather than just clicking on a button

Sublime

Just so you guys know: the whole gearing system will be revamped in the last stage (4) of the Champion System so the ring problem might not be on top of their list because it will get solved sooner or later anyway. (By new/better gear)

Epona222

Ah OK, I just have a joker who is going to LOL everything I say.

That's OK, I know I am funny, you are just confirming that I am funny

PBpsy

Epona222 wrote: »

To the person who gave me a LOL - do you want screenshots? I still have at least 4 Warlock items (I think I may have deconstructed the 5th which was a robe, I use a heavy chest piece and didn't need it, and a lvl 15-20 item isn't easily sold).

If the LOL is because you do not believe me, I will post screenshots of my inventory. Just say if you need proof. I have 2 necklaces and 2 rings left.

If the LOL is for other reasons, then please enter into discussion rather than just clicking on a button

Yes it is amusing that you do not get that we only talk about Vr12 signets. Everything else from the VR12 set still drops every other run in AA. No one cares since the set sucks if it isn't made with 3 jewelery and 2 armor..So yes your post about lvl 20 Warlock robes is pure comedy.