is Bomb Group the new Politically Correct term for Zerg?

Lukeh Shadyvale

I've never liked running around in groups of more than say 15ish people with the hope of clashing with say another 15ish size group making a nice battle.

More recently I've seen the word zerg get used less and less but I still see dense groups running around in a train.

I LOVE that ZoS seems to think that FC has broken up the old large group ganging together when it hasn't at all. It just causes the long train have to travel a lot further.
By all means I'm contempt with the FC's being removed it causes a lot of battles out in the middle of no where which is fun (excluding Bleakers Milegate & Alessia Bridge).

My main question is I see guilds recruiting bomb groups, I see people labeling themselves as a bomb group and I read people bombing other bomb groups and when I see them in game it is what I've experience as a zerg, charging round pounding AoEs an a lot of PFX. I've seen less sparkling at a pride parade lol.

I read a few names in zone chat and they say they're going to a keep, reports of enemy names who are known for their train driving heading to a keep and my instinct is okay stay away.

When I see a group of 20+ vs a group of 20+ I will in my head say oh okay Zerg V Zerg, yet everyone seems adamant on telling me that it's a bomb group or a bomb squad.

Is there a difference? Or have they just become accepted now they've been given a less derogatory label?

And what about Raids? As that's also a term used with less Stigma around it that BS and Trains.

AbraXuSeXile

My labels for these would be;

Zerg - Pug group of 24+ people
Train - Organised group of 24 people
Bomb group - 6-12 man train divers.

But i guess it's all relative, It's unrealistic to call an organised guild group a zerg.

A lot of work and organisation goes into 'impulse spamming' raids even though by general opinion of people who have no idea think they are just mindless skilless zergers.

Sublime

Here is how I see the term:

Zerg: Unorganized, large ~15+ group of Players
Bomb Squad: A Group 10-24 of organized players staying together as a ball in order to benefit from AOE buffs/heals
Train: A bad BS that does not manage to stay as a ball and becomes a train (~snake)

Nijjion

A small history lesson from my experience.

In the early years of DAoC there was not much organisation just pure zerg vs zerg. Groups of people normally around 8 (as that was group cap) organised themselves and specced for awesome potential to wipe zergs. Thus creating the bomb group which was the earliest I've know the term used.

Melee train groups arouse as well during DAoC time to counter these bomb groups as they were normally a counter to these sort of groups. This created the time of quite competitive Guild vs guild in a RvR environment.

The group vs group community and experience from DAoC is pretty unique. Something that died pretty much with it that no other game really has copied, Warhammer online, GW, ESO have come the closest but community just doesn't create it.

I'm guessing the community is different these days in gaming than back then which is a shame.

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Though just to say words evolve over time, same things mean different things in different games. Though the term 'bomb group' 95% of the time has always been described as a smaller group organised to battle a zerg. Problem is these are pretty much destroyed with AoE caps in place.

Maulkin

Sublime wrote: »

Here is how I see the term:

Zerg: Unorganized, large ~15+ group of Players
Bomb Squad: A Group 10-24 of organized players staying together as a ball in order to benefit from AOE buffs/heals
Train: A bad BS that does not manage to stay as a ball and becomes a train (~snake)

I agree with this more, though somehow train has ended up not being a bad word, because trains are fecking awesome.

But yeah, I call Bomb Squad anything that is tightly compact and packs a lot of punch, like a bomb. And that can be any size in terms of numbers.

I usually call small coordinated groups that don't stack but wipe bigger numbers: Zergbusters or zergbusting squad.

Messy1

Yeah, I support forward camps being removed, it seems to have made things more tactical and it has broken up the zergfest to a degree. As it stands now if you have a small group you want to avoid detection as much as possible whereas earlier with the FCs you might chance attacking another group and setup a kind of staging area.

Small groups that specialize in breaking up large groups are worthy of some title even if it is just a few people who spam AoEs. It's a valid tactic in the game. Obviously if you are a small group trying to contain other bomb groups you are not necessarily a bomb group unless you have the ability to spam AoE effects as well then you really are s bomb group taking out a bomb group.

Lukeh Shadyvale

So if I add Raids to this list because that's also a term used a lot with even less stigma than Train & BS.

Nijjion

Raids come from WoWs to my knowledge from the PvE. Normally the big groups like 20+.

Never heard the term raids used for anything in PvP, term is pretty exclusive for big PvE group experiences... so trials in ESO could be named needing raid groups.

AhPook_Is_Here

I think you should embrace your own nomenclature. Call them tulip groups if that's what you prefer and insist on calling them that. Correct anyone who calls them something else. This is how you become cool.

As an example on EP; the word for being a bad player is sometimes "Potato" and various things you make from potatoes. This evolved because people were referring to individual bad behavior as "Pick Up Groups" or PUGs. If you were a bad player, or doing something somebody who thinks they are important didn't want you to do with your game, then once you were a PUG. No longer now; today you are a Potato. However some insist on referring to bad players as other vegetables, such as turnips, Brussle sprouts and cabbages. Though one word is as meaningless as the next, each brings it's own nomenclature to the game, which enriches our culture as a whole. Words are only as meaningful as the impressions they give you.

Roechacca

I can't keep up with all these terms .

Draxys

In ESO, people that die to an organized group of 8+ call them a zerg because they are unhappy about dying to a certain style of group play, even though zerg refers to a large mass of players that have no direction or organization.

Lava_Croft

I was under the impression that in ESO, everytime you die and see more than two enemies of the same faction on your screen, you got zerged.

Xsorus

Most of the "Bomb Groups" in this game are running 16+ people... They're basically glorified zergs at that point...

Realistically you only need about 8 people to blow up a stacked zerg in this game, The people running 16 are just zerging and pretending they're not.

Draxys

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Most of the "Bomb Groups" in this game are running 16+ people... They're basically glorified zergs at that point...

Realistically you only need about 8 people to blow up a stacked zerg in this game, The people running 16 are just zerging and pretending they're not.

Except they're organized and working together, which is the opposite of a zerg

Samadhi

Draxys wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Most of the "Bomb Groups" in this game are running 16+ people... They're basically glorified zergs at that point...

Realistically you only need about 8 people to blow up a stacked zerg in this game, The people running 16 are just zerging and pretending they're not.

Except they're organized and working together, which is the opposite of a zerg

Which is why "zerg" used in MMORPGs never made a lot of sense to me .

In Starcraft, a zerg rush is best executed by sending a large group of units to attack in a coordinated fashion. Overwhelming numbers are used to sequentially burst down individual targets.
It also often involved continually reinforcing the rush swarm with new units to replace dead units whenever new ones could be made; perhaps this is part of why the term has fallen out of favour here...without forward camps it is hard to maintain a zerg-style rush of throwing bodies at a target until it falls.

AhPook_Is_Here

When I played Starcraft my zerglings were always organized.

Xsorus

Draxys wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Most of the "Bomb Groups" in this game are running 16+ people... They're basically glorified zergs at that point...

Realistically you only need about 8 people to blow up a stacked zerg in this game, The people running 16 are just zerging and pretending they're not.

Except they're organized and working together, which is the opposite of a zerg

Only Zerg in MMO terms has nothing to do with what you just said.

It simpy implies numbers.

If you were running 2 8 man groups in DAOCs killing other 8 mans, even if you were "better" you were still considered zerging.

Juraigr

Sublime wrote: »

Here is how I see the term:

Zerg: Unorganized, large ~15+ group of Players
Bomb Squad: A Group 10-24 of organized players staying together as a ball in order to benefit from AOE buffs/heals
Train: A bad BS that does not manage to stay as a ball and becomes a train (~snake)

Your definition of bomb group is wrong on so many levels

Sublime

Juraigr wrote: »

Sublime wrote: »

Here is how I see the term:

Zerg: Unorganized, large ~15+ group of Players
Bomb Squad: A Group 10-24 of organized players staying together as a ball in order to benefit from AOE buffs/heals
Train: A bad BS that does not manage to stay as a ball and becomes a train (~snake)

Your definition of bomb group is wrong on so many levels

Some elaboration would be nice.

SRIBES

Never use the term bomb squad always used zerg. Does this mean i'm not a cool kid? Q_Q

IxSTALKERxI

Zergs and bomb groups are completely different things. Bomb groups is a term from DAoC. A good example of a bomb group would be Cloneinkks group back in Wabbajack 1.0.

An example of a zerg would be Brandon's group from DC. :P

DiE is probably the best example of a bomb group at the moment. They'll stealth and wait for a large group of people to all stack up on a flag of a resource then charge in and dump ulti's on them.

Zintair

Bomb Groups are more about the composition of classes and method of killing. Considering this game is 2 year old PvP there really aren't too many MA trains etc it's all just bomb groups.

In real PvP like DAOC there were MA Trains, Over extension groups, Bomb Groups, Tank groups etc.

Instant cast abilities are fail in PvP.

xMovingTarget

I like the term "Rofl Stompers"

Rylana

Definitions by Rylana

1 person = Either ganker or cannon fodder
2-5 people = Gank squad or cannon fodder (or possibly a mini bomb group if exceptionally skilled)
6-12 people organized = Bomb group
12+ people organized = Waste, split into multiple bomb groups.
6 - 24 people unorganized = AP to farm
24+ people = zerg (which may contain elements of the previous)

Columba

I think it's the pc term for impulse monkey spammers

Lava_Croft

Columba wrote: »

I think it's the pc term for impulse monkey spammers

I think it's the pc term for impulse Snipe monkey spammers

Fixed it for you.

c0rp

Oh look! This thread again!

Columba

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I think it's the pc term for impulse monkey spammers

I think it's the pc term for impulse Snipe monkey spammers

Fixed it for you.

Yes, because snipe certainly lags out the game. Lethal arrow has a debuff bug. Other than that, it's a l2p issue. hey have fun with the spamming, just do it somewhere that doesn't lag out pvp, lol.

Zintair

Columba wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I think it's the pc term for impulse monkey spammers

I think it's the pc term for impulse Snipe monkey spammers

Fixed it for you.

Yes, because snipe certainly lags out the game. Lethal arrow has a debuff bug. Other than that, it's a l2p issue. So keep chimping it up with mindless impulse spamming.

Because Lethal Arrow is the complete opposite of mindless right?

5-10 mostly instant cast abilities the whole PvP system is "chimped" and "mindless"

AbraXuSeXile

Columba wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I think it's the pc term for impulse monkey spammers

I think it's the pc term for impulse Snipe monkey spammers

Fixed it for you.

Yes, because snipe certainly lags out the game. Lethal arrow has a debuff bug. Other than that, it's a l2p issue. So keep chimping it up with mindless impulse spamming.

Your seriously the most clueless 10IQ noob on this game.

Columba

If all you do is spam lethal arrow, ok, lol. There are much better rotatations than simply spamming snipe. Hey, have fun with the pulse/healing springs spamming, since that's considered to be skillful. It wouldn't really matter except that it lags out the server. Lethal arrow doesn't.