Huge self-healing

DeLindsay

Was this person you saw an Argonian NB? They can reach Health pots around ~1442 instant + ~1K HoT, with (3) VR10 Legendary Alchemy Glyphs. If they are also using the correct crafted setup they can reach +39% self heals, which is everything but pots, but that's any Class not just Argonian NB's. Also any NB solo'ing groups in Craglorn that use ANYTHING other than VoB + Sap Essence is doing it wrong.

As NB, *** off one group while running over to the 2nd group and as soon as each group get close enough to you Sap Essence once then drop VoB, then Sap until it's all dead (VoB will be ready again before the first drops). Repeat this until you want to stab your eyes out with a spoon for ~4K xp per double pack of non-elites or ~6K per double pack in Spellscar. You should have a setup that's capped Spell Damage with very high (50-60%+) Spell Crit and max Magicka. It helps if you have decent Health but this way to solo grind craglorn works with even 2K Health because of VoB/Sap awesomeness.

Outside of that it could've been any of the Classes that pulled 2 packs and instant healed for 2/3rds Health, but without super pots NB doesn't have this capability.

Thechemicals

Bol is not an standard aoe, it picks most wounded target and 2 others. Sap essence needs a target and crit surge needs a target+succesful crits. All of those are situational and BoL may not choose you as the most wounded target.

Dragon blood doesnt need a target, doesnt choose a target to heal, or require any special conditions to do what it does. Hence, the best heal/buff in the game plus....if you are missing something like 3200 life....dragon blood is going to give you over a 1000 point heal without need of a crit.

Thechemicals

Its funny because...if you put restoring aura+Breath of life together then youd get a weak version of dragonblood lol.

cote-bmsb16_ESO

I know NB tanks, healers and of course dps. The healers are great because they deal damage and heal! Their hots aren't Breath of Life, but they keep people up and help to get rid of mobs faster. Hell, I've seen a NB with a healing staff & duel wield murder an emperor in a 1v1.

Koensol

pppontus wrote: »

OK. Here are the secrets to AOE bomb zerg train PvE with any class:

Sorc = Critical Surge + Impulse + !Charged Atronach!
Templar = Blazing Shield + Impulse (+ Breath of Life) + !Solar Prison!
DK = Impulse (+ Green Dragon Blood) + !Standard of Might!
NB = Sap Essence + !Veil of Blades!

Now grab 23 friends and you win ESO.

Just saying, this is a way better combo for templar solo AoE nuking in PvE: Blazing shield + Puncturing sweep + either Solar disturbance (snare) or Empowering Sweep (Awsome damage reduction) + Solar barrage (Awsome damage increase). Impulse is so overrated. People don't know what else to use for some reason.

Magdalina

Well, if person didn't magically get a divine glow of sorts(templar), become transparent with beating heart(DK) or have those red lines from person to mobs(I believe that's what NB Funnel looks like?), it was a sorc spamming impulse+crit surge, which doesn't have any visual cue except self heal itself. It heals for 65% of crit damage done, with aoe cap at 6 enemies, the heal can be MASSIVE.

That said, it's still situational because you have to attack and you have to crit to selfheal with it.

Imo, Dragonblood is still best selfheal in the game...possibly just the best skill in the game, too, as been said.

driosketch

pppontus wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

uhm 40% + to health regen and +30% to stam regen is pretty super nice at full health.

But .. that wasn't what this discussion was about?

I didn't say it was a bad skill, but that it's not as good of a heal as people seem to think.

I am much more comfortable in AOE situations with the heals from BoL, Sap Essence or Crit Surge because they don't depend on health getting low to give a good return.

I would argue if you are in a group, you do need low health to guarantee you get healed at all. On top of that, BoL is an expensive cast, so you are wasting magicka if you haven't lost more heath than what casting it restores. Add to that, I also need to slot and cast Restoring Aura to match the other effect of GDB.

No matter how to look at, GDB is a great self heal, which only gets better the more you need it.

Pengeszikra

As templar with 2h i use rally + blazing shield + crave against groups.
2nd bar (bow) hold vulcanic rune, repentance and arrow barrage.

- rally give hot but at recast give instant heal : 757 norm - 950 crit

Against single target: execute, leathal arrow.

This setup work fine in different situation.

But in pvp 1hs B.shield, reflective light, absorb magic + repentance is working better.

spryler

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

It can only be a DK that he's talking about. But the OP should have been aware if the guy he was watching suddenly became transparent with only a beating heart visible...

My first thought is that he dropped an Ultimate and got healed from the DK passive.

Thechemicals

The shroud set restores 600+ health for activating an ultimate.

Dagoth_Rac

yodased wrote: »

Well its a difference of opinion and playstyle and thats not a bad thing.

I personally like it better because my main is a DK and I have based my playstyle off GDB.

I look at it like this: Keeping it up at all times has me softcapped in health and stam regen. Which means I have to heal less and can block more, which means that I will have less time to actually get into 66% health. When I do get to 66% and recast for the buffs I get to 100% health

It heals for 33% of missing health, not max health. So GDB at 66% health would mean you are missing 33% health and would get 33% of that, which is about 11%. So casting GDB at 66% health would bring you to about 77% health.

Example:

3000 Max Health
Health drops to 2000
Missing 1000 Health
Cast GDB
33% of 1000 = 330
Health goes from 2000 to 2330

Unless the tooltip is wrong, which would be one of many incorrect tooltips!

pppontus

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Well its a difference of opinion and playstyle and thats not a bad thing.

I personally like it better because my main is a DK and I have based my playstyle off GDB.

I look at it like this: Keeping it up at all times has me softcapped in health and stam regen. Which means I have to heal less and can block more, which means that I will have less time to actually get into 66% health. When I do get to 66% and recast for the buffs I get to 100% health

It heals for 33% of missing health, not max health. So GDB at 66% health would mean you are missing 33% health and would get 33% of that, which is about 11%. So casting GDB at 66% health would bring you to about 77% health.

Example:

3000 Max Health
Health drops to 2000
Missing 1000 Health
Cast GDB
33% of 1000 = 330
Health goes from 2000 to 2330

Unless the tooltip is wrong, which would be one of many incorrect tooltips!

Nope, you are 100% correct. 33% of missing health.

Someone said above "if you're missing 3200 hp it heals for 1k", well.. who even has 3,2K HP? I have 3150 in my tank spec lol. And besides that, you would still be missing 2,2K HP...

It's a great tank ability, sure, for oh *** moments and added stam regen.. but how people talk about it like it's the best skill in the game is beyond me.

Whatever, asking for advice in the forums .. you're bound to get some really bad ones lol

dharbert

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Well its a difference of opinion and playstyle and thats not a bad thing.

I personally like it better because my main is a DK and I have based my playstyle off GDB.

I look at it like this: Keeping it up at all times has me softcapped in health and stam regen. Which means I have to heal less and can block more, which means that I will have less time to actually get into 66% health. When I do get to 66% and recast for the buffs I get to 100% health

It heals for 33% of missing health, not max health. So GDB at 66% health would mean you are missing 33% health and would get 33% of that, which is about 11%. So casting GDB at 66% health would bring you to about 77% health.

Example:

3000 Max Health
Health drops to 2000
Missing 1000 Health
Cast GDB
33% of 1000 = 330
Health goes from 2000 to 2330

Unless the tooltip is wrong, which would be one of many incorrect tooltips!

You are correct. While GDB is one of the better heals, you'd have to be damn near dead to get a huge heal from it.

PBpsy

For DKs you do not even need GDB to have crazy heals and destroy huge packs like in SpellScar
Need around 55% spell crit and Destro.
1. Run around and gather trash.
2. Start Flames of Oblivion.Draw Essence
3. Drop Standard
4. Impulse 2x Draw Essence Impulse 2x
5. Drop Standard
6. Impulse 2x Draw Essence Impulse 2x
7. Drop Standard ....

Battle Roar is just that good.

GDB is a very nice skill in pvp but is not essential in most PVE situations.The same goes for Reflecting Scale.

Thechemicals

pppontus wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Well its a difference of opinion and playstyle and thats not a bad thing.

I personally like it better because my main is a DK and I have based my playstyle off GDB.

I look at it like this: Keeping it up at all times has me softcapped in health and stam regen. Which means I have to heal less and can block more, which means that I will have less time to actually get into 66% health. When I do get to 66% and recast for the buffs I get to 100% health

It heals for 33% of missing health, not max health. So GDB at 66% health would mean you are missing 33% health and would get 33% of that, which is about 11%. So casting GDB at 66% health would bring you to about 77% health.

Example:

3000 Max Health
Health drops to 2000
Missing 1000 Health
Cast GDB
33% of 1000 = 330
Health goes from 2000 to 2330

Unless the tooltip is wrong, which would be one of many incorrect tooltips!

Nope, you are 100% correct. 33% of missing health.

Someone said above "if you're missing 3200 hp it heals for 1k", well.. who even has 3,2K HP? I have 3150 in my tank spec lol. And besides that, you would still be missing 2,2K HP...

It's a great tank ability, sure, for oh *** moments and added stam regen.. but how people talk about it like it's the best skill in the game is beyond me.

Whatever, asking for advice in the forums .. you're bound to get some really bad ones lol

who even has 3.2k health he says....

Its been explained to you multiple times, but you dont actually have experience with dragonblood at vr12+.

Say that you havent invested in Health recovery...you may have anywhere from 75-90. Now add 40% to that and for the next 20 seconds you have 130 health recovery.
Stamina recovery from 80-90? add 30% and you now have 120 stamina recovery.

Happen to take damage and need a heal? Lets use your lowball health maximum and say i only have 2500 as a DK..... thats still 660+ life returned without need of a crit heal if im missing 2k life. The base heal of Breath of life doesnt even give that number, until you punch passives into it and have an aura around you.

It takes 2 of your healing tree spells to do what dragon blood does by itself.

Jitterbug

Unknown_poster wrote: »

Bats damage counts towards crit surge healing in addition to its normal heals.

off of spell crit or would wep crit work too?

Merlin13KAGL

Jitterbug wrote: »

Unknown_poster wrote: »

Bats damage counts towards crit surge healing in addition to its normal heals.

off of spell crit or would wep crit work too?

@Jitterbug‌ , crit from either will heal for 65% of damage done (by whichever caused the critical).

Throw Degeneration into the mix and their's a 15% chance of +100% heal return. (An instance where the side effect is better than the main)

pppontus

Thechemicals wrote: »

pppontus wrote: »

Dagoth_Rac wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

Well its a difference of opinion and playstyle and thats not a bad thing.

I personally like it better because my main is a DK and I have based my playstyle off GDB.

I look at it like this: Keeping it up at all times has me softcapped in health and stam regen. Which means I have to heal less and can block more, which means that I will have less time to actually get into 66% health. When I do get to 66% and recast for the buffs I get to 100% health

It heals for 33% of missing health, not max health. So GDB at 66% health would mean you are missing 33% health and would get 33% of that, which is about 11%. So casting GDB at 66% health would bring you to about 77% health.

Example:

3000 Max Health
Health drops to 2000
Missing 1000 Health
Cast GDB
33% of 1000 = 330
Health goes from 2000 to 2330

Unless the tooltip is wrong, which would be one of many incorrect tooltips!

Nope, you are 100% correct. 33% of missing health.

Someone said above "if you're missing 3200 hp it heals for 1k", well.. who even has 3,2K HP? I have 3150 in my tank spec lol. And besides that, you would still be missing 2,2K HP...

It's a great tank ability, sure, for oh *** moments and added stam regen.. but how people talk about it like it's the best skill in the game is beyond me.

Whatever, asking for advice in the forums .. you're bound to get some really bad ones lol

who even has 3.2k health he says....

Its been explained to you multiple times, but you dont actually have experience with dragonblood at vr12+.

Say that you havent invested in Health recovery...you may have anywhere from 75-90. Now add 40% to that and for the next 20 seconds you have 130 health recovery.
Stamina recovery from 80-90? add 30% and you now have 120 stamina recovery.

Happen to take damage and need a heal? Lets use your lowball health maximum and say i only have 2500 as a DK..... thats still 660+ life returned without need of a crit heal if im missing 2k life. The base heal of Breath of life doesnt even give that number, until you punch passives into it and have an aura around you.

It takes 2 of your healing tree spells to do what dragon blood does by itself.

HAHA you are the best, mate.

You don't have experience at vr12+ he says. VR14 DK. Also have VR14 of all the other classes. Done pretty much all the content in the game except for finishing Sanctum, still working on Serpent. Would say I have a pretty good understanding of game mechanics.

But no, I don't have experience...

PS. Your healers suck if their base heal is less than 660. Mine is 868. Plus passives that increase crit when low health = almost always a ~1300 crit.

Jitterbug

Merlin13KAGL wrote: »

Jitterbug wrote: »

Unknown_poster wrote: »

Bats damage counts towards crit surge healing in addition to its normal heals.

off of spell crit or would wep crit work too?

@Jitterbug‌ , crit from either will heal for 65% of damage done (by whichever caused the critical).

Throw Degeneration into the mix and their's a 15% chance of +100% heal return. (An instance where the side effect is better than the main)

No I mean, can Bats crit off wep crit rating?

Woolenthreads

I used to play my Templar without using the BOL thinking that it was equivalent to the Restoration perks but then I decided I wasn't levelling the Templar Healing fast enough and stuck it on the bar. I fought the dark harvester rescuing Sai and it would heal me from about 5% to about 80% and barely dent my Magicka.

Hypertionb14_ESO

just pop a Reapers mark on one mob (or any other morph of that skill)

and run in and spam AOEs...

as a NB thats all you really need to get a good burst heal in the middle of killing groups.

GrimMauKin

Mark Target is currently stating that is will restore 37% of health; anyone know if this it maximum health or current health?

DeLindsay

GrimMauKin wrote: »

Mark Target is currently stating that is will restore 37% of health; anyone know if this it maximum health or current health?

The Morph Reaper's Mark is 60%.

Sheridan

Does the 10% bonus to healing done from Combat Medic passive (Alliance War) work with self-healing from Critical Surge etc.?