Cheating and exploiting

gimpdrb14_ESO

the spell weaving or animation canceling, whatever you call it is a cheat/exploit of game mechanics. now before anyone says you are just mad because you dont know how to do it, well guess what i do know how to do it and im very good at doing, i just choose not to do it because i am not a cheater. ZOS really needs to do something about this and wipe all the trail leader boards because ill bet my bottom dollar not one single group on the top 10 got there without using this cheat. a simple change made so you can't block in the middle of a spell animation would solve this.

Rosveen

ZOS said it's not an exploit. Deal with it.

Shunravi

It even sounds like they are changing skills and traits to complement it. Get over it.

gimpdrb14_ESO

link to where they said it wasnt a cheat?

Gilvoth

gimpdrb14_ESO wrote: »

the spell weaving or animation canceling, whatever you call it is a cheat/exploit of game mechanics. now before anyone says you are just mad because you dont know how to do it, well guess what i do know how to do it and im very good at doing, i just choose not to do it because i am not a cheater. ZOS really needs to do something about this and wipe all the trail leader boards because ill bet my bottom dollar not one single group on the top 10 got there without using this cheat. a simple change made so you can't block in the middle of a spell animation would solve this.

awesome post and very insightful, i agree with you, and only would like to add one thing.

the leader boards in cryodiil and also the alliance pvp titles need to also be removed along with the pve leader boards.
all those people with extreme high ranking titles and alliance point titles used this cheat also and also many many many exploits to get thier current titles.
it's not just pve.


a complete reset is in order in my opinion on all the leader boards and pvp titles.

dharbert

http://tamrielfoundry.com/2014/10/eso-guild-summit/

Animation and attack priority is currently driven by gameplay mechanics, and animation design is created to support the gameplay features. Animation cancelling with macro usage is “cheating”, but the way that attacks currently interact is intended, but will hopefully be improved in the future.

Directly from the Guild Summit, directly from Zenimax. Animation cancelling itself is not considered a cheat or exploiting, but those of you using macro's via mouse and keyboard software or other 3rd party software in order to speed up animation cancelling ARE cheating.

I'd be willing to bet that there are a great number of players using mouse and keyboard macro's or 3rd party software macro's in conjunction with animation cancelling. According to Zenimax this is considered cheating. I guess one way they could stop it is to scan the system processes for known .exe's and ban those using them.

itsBishop

This horse has been beat to death. It's not a cheat and it's not an exploit. Stop wasting forum space with your pointless rambling.

Medakon

gimpdrb14_ESO wrote: »

ZOS really needs to do something about this and wipe all the trail leader boards because ill bet my bottom dollar not one single group on the top 10 got there without using this cheat.

Dude.. they litterarly justed wiped the leaderbord a few weeks ago. Also who cares about a leaderbord anyways? its not like there is any reward for beeing number one..

Lukeh Shadyvale

Would also like to point most PVP members are top of the leaderboard because they leech points...
Oh sorry no they are legitimate healers who only heal in pvp ._.
I'm all for a having a healer roll around with me and some people for those
Unable to self heal like myself but I hate saying people stand on top of keeps watching the crowd come to them then heal spam... Just don't

PF1901

Lukeh Shadyvale wrote: »

Would also like to point most PVP members are top of the leaderboard because they leech points...
Oh sorry no they are legitimate healers who only heal in pvp ._.
I'm all for a having a healer roll around with me and some people for those
Unable to self heal like myself but I hate saying people stand on top of keeps watching the crowd come to them then heal spam... Just don't

So here we go from "animation cancelling is cheating" to "all people with high ranking titles are cheaters" to "most pvp leaderboard people are leechers and therefore healers".
Yeah, that makes sense *nods*.

Medakon

PF1901 wrote: »

Lukeh Shadyvale wrote: »

Would also like to point most PVP members are top of the leaderboard because they leech points...
Oh sorry no they are legitimate healers who only heal in pvp ._.
I'm all for a having a healer roll around with me and some people for those
Unable to self heal like myself but I hate saying people stand on top of keeps watching the crowd come to them then heal spam... Just don't

So here we go from "animation cancelling is cheating" to "all people with high ranking titles are cheaters" to "most pvp leaderboard people are leechers and therefore healers".
Yeah, that makes sense *nods*.

Yes now it all make sense, we should remove healers from pvp since they are cheating and saving peoples lifes with healing spells, and gaining points while everyone else having fun killing other players

gimpdrb14_ESO

ok fine its officially its not a cheat or an exploit, but in my own personal opinion it is, and even though im very good at it. i simply wont do it. you guys win my rant is over can we get someone to lock this thread?

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Since when does your personal opinion of what cheating is matter in the slightest?

ZOS makes the TOS.

ZOS decides what cheating is.


NOT YOU


The world does not revolve around what your opinion is. If it did, then we would all dance on green pterodactyls or something.

Cheating = what ZOS says it is.

This thread is useless. Bring back the warlock rings.

Gyudan

dharbert wrote: »

I guess one way they could stop it is to scan the system processes for known .exe's and ban those using them.

Razer Synapse is one such program. As a Razer mouse, keyboard and headset user, it is on at all times on my computer and I use it to easily adjust backlight, keys and mouse responsiveness or switch from office to game setups.
Please ban all Razer users from this game, it sounds like a great idea.
Also, scanning system processes ... NSA much? Privacy?

What it looks like:

Wow, such cheat, much custom, very macro.

I agree that Animation-canceling sucks and should be prevented by ZoS as much as possible without reducing combat responsiveness. Please keep in mind that current endgame content (Serpent, Vet DSA) cannot be completed without using that mechanism.

NotSo

as far as Razer macros go, I've only used it for emote animations because nothing is as fun as moving at full speed and instantly /playdead'ing in pvp

gimpdrb14_ESO

all of you are i am wrong, what more do you want?

Gilvoth

gimpdrb14_ESO wrote: »

all of you are i am wrong, what more do you want?

your not wrong

gimpdrb14_ESO

dwemer_paleologist wrote: »

gimpdrb14_ESO wrote: »

all of you are i am wrong, what more do you want?

your not wrong

yes i am

lathbury

how could you speed it up with a macro surely the speed at which you can cancel comes from the skill cool down? as when I'm animation cancelling if I go to fast it wont fire the light attack.

OrphanHelgen

Please don't use morph's. It is cheating. It is also cheating to grind. And you better not be rerolling and play with that character. You cheaters!

The_Great_Maldini

Why did you necro this thread?

Nifty2g

not this thread again

DarkAedin

lol get on the lvl of skill required to clip your animations, or gtfo

stop crying, its too salty

Heishi

Quite simply it was a broken combat mechanic which rather than fix they decided to enhance and endorse. Might as well suck it up and introduce your char to twitchy spazzing combat where they look more like they're having a seizure than fighting. It's not going away anytime soon, and if you can't beat'm...

Iago

Alright I have heard of people animation cancelling but what exactly does it do? I still haven't figured that out yet.

KhyanLeikas

What is the point to use it?

Heishi

Iago wrote: »

Alright I have heard of people animation cancelling but what exactly does it do? I still haven't figured that out yet.

Animation cancelling and weaving increase your dps by basically using a move while the animation of the first is progress effectively cutting it short.

Most common seems to be light attack weaving.

IE: You cast A the effect goes off while the animation plays. You use light attack and the animation for A is stopped and switched to the light attack effect. Then while the light attack is going you cast A again.

This can also be done blocking, weapon swapping and a number of other things. Someone put out a really good explaination video last month. I'd have to find it though.

Iago

Heishi wrote: »

Iago wrote: »

Alright I have heard of people animation cancelling but what exactly does it do? I still haven't figured that out yet.

Animation cancelling and weaving increase your dps by basically using a move while the animation of the first is progress effectively cutting it short.

Most common seems to be light attack weaving.

IE: You cast A the effect goes off while the animation plays. You use light attack and the animation for A is stopped and switched to the light attack effect. Then while the light attack is going you cast A again.

This can also be done blocking, weapon swapping and a number of other things. Someone put out a really good explaination video last month. I'd have to find it though.

Really? I have been fighting like that since day one....... MY dps sucks. I must be doing something wrong

Heishi

I couldn't find the good one, but this gives a decent visual of the twitchiness that is animation cancelling.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eTb2YpuRsP4

xaade

I used to use a macro, but then I found out that you just can't macro the really good weaves, so I stopped.
It's near impossible to macro a heavy attack weave, the timing is really hard, and the lag throws off a macro.

The reason is because there's an internal cooldown on light/heavy attacks.
Sure, you animation canceled it, but until the internal cooldown resets, you won't be able to perform another light/heavy attack.

But if they were to prevent me from using a program to control my keypad/mouse combo, it becomes useless (like, not even usable without macros), and would probably cause me to unsub.

AoEnwyr

Gyudan wrote: »

dharbert wrote: »

I guess one way they could stop it is to scan the system processes for known .exe's and ban those using them.

Razer Synapse is one such program. As a Razer mouse, keyboard and headset user, it is on at all times on my computer and I use it to easily adjust backlight, keys and mouse responsiveness or switch from office to game setups.
Please ban all Razer users from this game, it sounds like a great idea.
Also, scanning system processes ... NSA much? Privacy?

What it looks like:

Wow, such cheat, much custom, very macro.

I agree that Animation-canceling sucks and should be prevented by ZoS as much as possible without reducing combat responsiveness. Please keep in mind that current endgame content (Serpent, Vet DSA) cannot be completed without using that mechanism.

I use a Razer Keyboard and Mouse as well and I'd give up ESO before I uninstalled my software. I don't use macro's in online games, actually I hardly use them in any game because I actually like playing them

Besides today I might felling angsty and want a deep purple backlit mouse, tomorrow I might be in the mood for some lime green so I need my Synapse