Shenanigans called on upper Crag BS survey map nirncrux droprate. Anecdotal evidence inside.

Unknown_poster

I have been running the writs since they were released and enjoyed the 5 mixed crux drops for each BS survey map. With then shiny new patch on Thursday that actually applied the drop rate is now 0. I know that a nerf was intended, but I, like most people expected it to go to maybe 1-3 per map due to the cost and the rng of even getting a map.

So far I have run 6 upper crag BS maps since patch. Not a single crux has dropped. I have run 4 of the cloth maps, not a single crux. So I have been polling people out of two of the largest trade guilds. One primarily AD, and one primarily DC. And not a single person has gotten a crux from a map since the happy patch. This after a great livestream where they go on and on about how they are making loot fun and drops will be worth it again. Prices on crux items were dropping, everyone was happy, but your "fix" to the whinging from a small minority that screamed "It's not fair cause I didn't level BS at the same time as the others!" has taken a daily that was going to be worth doing and made it worthless. Upping the gold to 604 was a step in the right direction, but since prices for refined mats have shot into the 2-3k zone now, they are once again unprofitable to do.

So I call shenanigans. Rant over. Flame on.

PS. Whats with the whole motif drop rate thing. I seriously think the loot tables are split up among a couple different guys. One guy goes out over the weekend and gets lucky, we all get motifs for days. His buddy in the cubicle next to him got kicked out of his apartment after he caught the girlfriend cheating on him, and since he's in charge of scrap drops he decides since he got screwed, everyone else does too.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

I have run over 20 crafting writs and received 2 surveys. Neither yielded nirncrux.

It's a complete waste of time and it costs me more gold than I can make or hours of harvesting time.

What genius thought this would be fun?

Magdalina

Haha, you beat me to making a thread like this...I've done 4 crafting surveys in Upper Crag and haven't found any nirncrux myself. It wasn't fair that ONLY smithing was dropping nirncrux, but like, now NOTHING drops it at all...that's not exactly the way to fix things.

I've gotten one smithing survey after doing crafting writs all last week. So that was 5 nirncrux per ~7 stacks of burnt mats, it ALREADY wasn't too OP and was barely enough to inspire people to do those. With droprate like now...well, there's literally no point. If you get a survey, the mats you get will very barely cover the mats you spent. If you don't get a survey, it'll be like a stack of wasted mats for a traitstone or something.

Katinas

Unknown_poster wrote: »

With then shiny new patch on Thursday that actually applied the drop rate is now 0.

I received 4 nirncrux stones yesterday. They dropped on every voidstone ore in the area of the blacksmithing survey map.

abigfishy

I haven't been lucky enough to get a BS survey since the patch but have had 4 WW and 3 CL for a total of 0 Nirn even after fighting the angry V13 wasps. :P

Frenkthevile

At least before patch BS had sense, now it's useless like the others.

Nazon_Katts

14.99$ - Crux of Nirn Pack

• random white nirnhoned item
• one (1) fortified or potent Nirncrux
• one (1) survey map for each profession

Get them while supplies last!

Ad.Absurdum

i got three maps and non of them had nirncrux (before the patch) - i think you have been extremly lucky and are that no longer. my quest rewards were pretty bad (90% of what i would consider junk for deletion) and i more or less stoped doing the dailies.

AlnilamE

I never got a BS survey before the patch, but on Tuesday I got a WW and a Clothier map and got a nirncrux stone out of each. A friend who had the same WW map and was at the location 5 minutes before me didn't get anything.

Got my first BS map yesterday and didn't get any stones (but at least recouped half the mats for the writ...).

Unknown_poster

Just had the GM of the DC trading guild say that he was talking to customer service about another issue and mentioned the nirncrux not dropping from survey maps. CS said that they are aware of the issue and looking into it. So no official dev response yet, but some CS rep is aware and was at least willing to shine him on about the issue.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

I actually bugged it. I felt slightly better.

Tyr

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I actually bugged it. I felt slightly better.

Except it's not bugged. The rate is just much lower now. I've gotten 1 from BS survey since patch.

Tyr

Unknown_poster wrote: »

Just had the GM of the DC trading guild say that he was talking to customer service about another issue and mentioned the nirncrux not dropping from survey maps. CS said that they are aware of the issue and looking into it. So no official dev response yet, but some CS rep is aware and was at least willing to shine him on about the issue.

NIrncrux is droping from survey maps. I hope the devs just told this fool GM that to placate his concerns and actual don't dedicate any efforts to it.

Epona222

Before the patch, I got 6!!!! nirncrux from BS survey, yesterday I did one and got 1 nirncrux, which seems perfectly reasonable to me, it was obviously over the top ridiculous before.

Why do people think they ought to get something valuable every time? I get a bit fed up with everyone wanting/expecting mega rewards every time they lift a finger.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I actually bugged it. I felt slightly better.

Except it's not bugged. The rate is just much lower now. I've gotten 1 from BS survey since patch.

I've done over 20 of these for 2 surveys. No crux, just some crap. At that point I decided it's a bug. I can't afford the gold and time for no result.

No matter what they intended, even a 25% chance can leave some people without anything for a very long time. Well coded, there would be a slightly better chance next time, every time there was no survey.

Tyr

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I actually bugged it. I felt slightly better.

Except it's not bugged. The rate is just much lower now. I've gotten 1 from BS survey since patch.

I've done over 20 of these for 2 surveys. No crux, just some crap. At that point I decided it's a bug. I can't afford the gold and time for no result.

No matter what they intended, even a 25% chance can leave some people without anything for a very long time. Well coded, there would be a slightly better chance next time, every time there was no survey.

Nobody cares if "you can't afford the gold and time" because you're impatient.
Personal bad RNG is NOT a bug.

Further, you have no idea how it's coded and no idea if 2 in 20 is near or far from the intended rate.

Even more importantly is the fact that the devs for certain can track EXACTLY how many players as a whole are getting and would know there's a bug well before you ever were able to objectively recognize a problem.

So stop posting stupid big reports and wasting CS time.

Unknown_poster

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poodlemasterb16_ESO

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I actually bugged it. I felt slightly better.

Except it's not bugged. The rate is just much lower now. I've gotten 1 from BS survey since patch.

I've done over 20 of these for 2 surveys. No crux, just some crap. At that point I decided it's a bug. I can't afford the gold and time for no result.

No matter what they intended, even a 25% chance can leave some people without anything for a very long time. Well coded, there would be a slightly better chance next time, every time there was no survey.

Nobody cares if "you can't afford the gold and time" because you're impatient.
Personal bad RNG is NOT a bug.

Further, you have no idea how it's coded and no idea if 2 in 20 is near or far from the intended rate.

Even more importantly is the fact that the devs for certain can track EXACTLY how many players as a whole are getting and would know there's a bug well before you ever were able to objectively recognize a problem.

So stop posting stupid big reports and wasting CS time.

Sweetie I've been posting bug reports since January. I am not going to change a thing for you.

If I get 2 surveys in 20 writs turned in, and nothing much for each one, there is no reason at all to do the quest. I can buy nirncrux cheaper. That really should not be the intended outcome and I doubt very much that it is. So I decided it's a bug. You ... may do as you please.

Magdalina

Unknown_poster wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I actually bugged it. I felt slightly better.

Except it's not bugged. The rate is just much lower now. I've gotten 1 from BS survey since patch.

I've done over 20 of these for 2 surveys. No crux, just some crap. At that point I decided it's a bug. I can't afford the gold and time for no result.

No matter what they intended, even a 25% chance can leave some people without anything for a very long time. Well coded, there would be a slightly better chance next time, every time there was no survey.

Nobody cares if "you can't afford the gold and time" because you're impatient.
Personal bad RNG is NOT a bug.

Further, you have no idea how it's coded and no idea if 2 in 20 is near or far from the intended rate.

Even more importantly is the fact that the devs for certain can track EXACTLY how many players as a whole are getting and would know there's a bug well before you ever were able to objectively recognize a problem.

So stop posting stupid big reports and wasting CS time.

Actually you seem to be in the minority here. I did say all evidence was anecdotal. But rage all you like, if it is bugged, it will be adjusted. Reminds me of earlier when people were complaining about Kuta hireling mails not dropping, and a very vocal minority like you were "stfu..there's nothing wrong with mine." Then a couple weeks later you have a nice dev post saying that it is bugged for some and not for others and a fix is inbound.

I still never get Kuta from my hirelings:(

And bugged or not, done 2 Smithing surveys and about 5 other ones since patch, not 1 nirncrux...at that point it really isn't worth it. I could just sell the mats, buy the damn stone and it'd be cheaper in the end, not to mention less bothersome so...why bother? Kind of sad.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

Unknown_poster wrote: »

I have been running the writs since they were released and enjoyed the 5 mixed crux drops for each BS survey map. With then shiny new patch on Thursday that actually applied the drop rate is now 0. I know that a nerf was intended, but I, like most people expected it to go to maybe 1-3 per map due to the cost and the rng of even getting a map.

So far I have run 6 upper crag BS maps since patch. Not a single crux has dropped. I have run 4 of the cloth maps, not a single crux. So I have been polling people out of two of the largest trade guilds. One primarily AD, and one primarily DC. And not a single person has gotten a crux from a map since the happy patch. This after a great livestream where they go on and on about how they are making loot fun and drops will be worth it again. Prices on crux items were dropping, everyone was happy, but your "fix" to the whinging from a small minority that screamed "It's not fair cause I didn't level BS at the same time as the others!" has taken a daily that was going to be worth doing and made it worthless. Upping the gold to 604 was a step in the right direction, but since prices for refined mats have shot into the 2-3k zone now, they are once again unprofitable to do.

So I call shenanigans. Rant over. Flame on.

PS. Whats with the whole motif drop rate thing. I seriously think the loot tables are split up among a couple different guys. One guy goes out over the weekend and gets lucky, we all get motifs for days. His buddy in the cubicle next to him got kicked out of his apartment after he caught the girlfriend cheating on him, and since he's in charge of scrap drops he decides since he got screwed, everyone else does too.

8 surveys zero nirnjunk.

Shinanigans confirmed, over and out.

Drasn

For what it's worth, I received a nirncrux from a woodworking survey yesterday and a nirncrux from a blacksmithing survey today.

killedbyping

Unknown_poster wrote: »

I have been running the writs since they were released and enjoyed the 5 mixed crux drops for each BS survey map. With then shiny new patch on Thursday that actually applied the drop rate is now 0. I know that a nerf was intended, but I, like most people expected it to go to maybe 1-3 per map due to the cost and the rng of even getting a map.

So far I have run 6 upper crag BS maps since patch. Not a single crux has dropped. I have run 4 of the cloth maps, not a single crux. So I have been polling people out of two of the largest trade guilds. One primarily AD, and one primarily DC. And not a single person has gotten a crux from a map since the happy patch. This after a great livestream where they go on and on about how they are making loot fun and drops will be worth it again. Prices on crux items were dropping, everyone was happy, but your "fix" to the whinging from a small minority that screamed "It's not fair cause I didn't level BS at the same time as the others!" has taken a daily that was going to be worth doing and made it worthless. Upping the gold to 604 was a step in the right direction, but since prices for refined mats have shot into the 2-3k zone now, they are once again unprofitable to do.

So I call shenanigans. Rant over. Flame on.

PS. Whats with the whole motif drop rate thing. I seriously think the loot tables are split up among a couple different guys. One guy goes out over the weekend and gets lucky, we all get motifs for days. His buddy in the cubicle next to him got kicked out of his apartment after he caught the girlfriend cheating on him, and since he's in charge of scrap drops he decides since he got screwed, everyone else does too.

There is no such thing as Nirncrux drop rate from Surveys. You get normal drop rate like if you would collect normal nodes. This means that if Survey leads you to lower Craglorn dont even bother collecting, there wont be any Nirncrux stones.

Also devs never stated that those Survey will drop anything special beside Rich resource nodes.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

i.e. not worth doing, just like most things in this game.

babylon

Why does anyone even care about nirncrux anyway? Will be worthless once everyone has learned the research on them, not good for actually using.

Magdalina

babylon wrote: »

Why does anyone even care about nirncrux anyway? Will be worthless once everyone has learned the research on them, not good for actually using.

Unfortunately, some of are completionists and still need to research it>.>

Maybe they'll also release some worthy 9 trait set eventually, too. Current one kind of sucks, imo. Still though, you could make quite a bit of money if someone actually wants it and you have 9 traits, since not many people have it yet.

Unknown_poster

There is no such thing as Nirncrux drop rate from Surveys. You get normal drop rate like if you would collect normal nodes. This means that if Survey leads you to lower Craglorn dont even bother collecting, there wont be any Nirncrux stones.

Also devs never stated that those Survey will drop anything special beside Rich resource nodes.[/quote]

I call shenanigans on your interpretation. This patch note clearly shows that survey maps are intended to drop nirncrux at a higher rate than normal node farming.

Fixed an issue that was causing Nirnhoned trait stones to drop more frequently from Ore Survey Reports in Craglorn, and too rarely for Cloth Survey Reports in Craglorn than intended.

Tyr

Magdalina wrote: »

Unknown_poster wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I actually bugged it. I felt slightly better.

Except it's not bugged. The rate is just much lower now. I've gotten 1 from BS survey since patch.

I've done over 20 of these for 2 surveys. No crux, just some crap. At that point I decided it's a bug. I can't afford the gold and time for no result.

No matter what they intended, even a 25% chance can leave some people without anything for a very long time. Well coded, there would be a slightly better chance next time, every time there was no survey.

Nobody cares if "you can't afford the gold and time" because you're impatient.
Personal bad RNG is NOT a bug.

Further, you have no idea how it's coded and no idea if 2 in 20 is near or far from the intended rate.

Even more importantly is the fact that the devs for certain can track EXACTLY how many players as a whole are getting and would know there's a bug well before you ever were able to objectively recognize a problem.

So stop posting stupid big reports and wasting CS time.

Actually you seem to be in the minority here. I did say all evidence was anecdotal. But rage all you like, if it is bugged, it will be adjusted. Reminds me of earlier when people were complaining about Kuta hireling mails not dropping, and a very vocal minority like you were "stfu..there's nothing wrong with mine." Then a couple weeks later you have a nice dev post saying that it is bugged for some and not for others and a fix is inbound.

I still never get Kuta from my hirelings:(

And bugged or not, done 2 Smithing surveys and about 5 other ones since patch, not 1 nirncrux...at that point it really isn't worth it. I could just sell the mats, buy the damn stone and it'd be cheaper in the end, not to mention less bothersome so...why bother? Kind of sad.

Unknown_poster wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I actually bugged it. I felt slightly better.

Except it's not bugged. The rate is just much lower now. I've gotten 1 from BS survey since patch.

I've done over 20 of these for 2 surveys. No crux, just some crap. At that point I decided it's a bug. I can't afford the gold and time for no result.

No matter what they intended, even a 25% chance can leave some people without anything for a very long time. Well coded, there would be a slightly better chance next time, every time there was no survey.

Nobody cares if "you can't afford the gold and time" because you're impatient.
Personal bad RNG is NOT a bug.

Further, you have no idea how it's coded and no idea if 2 in 20 is near or far from the intended rate.

Even more importantly is the fact that the devs for certain can track EXACTLY how many players as a whole are getting and would know there's a bug well before you ever were able to objectively recognize a problem.

So stop posting stupid big reports and wasting CS time.

Actually you seem to be in the minority here. I did say all evidence was anecdotal. But rage all you like, if it is bugged, it will be adjusted. Reminds me of earlier when people were complaining about Kuta hireling mails not dropping, and a very vocal minority like you were "stfu..there's nothing wrong with mine." Then a couple weeks later you have a nice dev post saying that it is bugged for some and not for others and a fix is inbound.

I am in the minority sadly.

If the evidence is anecdotal and you have concrete evidence of the rate not being zero for some non-zero number of individuals, then you cannot apply that evidence as a part of inductive argument for a bug existing.

By making a bug report when there is no logical foundation for one existing, you are utilizing CS and/or dev resources which cannot then be used for other bugs.

poodlemasterb16_ESO

Tyr wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Unknown_poster wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I actually bugged it. I felt slightly better.

Except it's not bugged. The rate is just much lower now. I've gotten 1 from BS survey since patch.

I've done over 20 of these for 2 surveys. No crux, just some crap. At that point I decided it's a bug. I can't afford the gold and time for no result.

No matter what they intended, even a 25% chance can leave some people without anything for a very long time. Well coded, there would be a slightly better chance next time, every time there was no survey.

Nobody cares if "you can't afford the gold and time" because you're impatient.
Personal bad RNG is NOT a bug.

Further, you have no idea how it's coded and no idea if 2 in 20 is near or far from the intended rate.

Even more importantly is the fact that the devs for certain can track EXACTLY how many players as a whole are getting and would know there's a bug well before you ever were able to objectively recognize a problem.

So stop posting stupid big reports and wasting CS time.

Actually you seem to be in the minority here. I did say all evidence was anecdotal. But rage all you like, if it is bugged, it will be adjusted. Reminds me of earlier when people were complaining about Kuta hireling mails not dropping, and a very vocal minority like you were "stfu..there's nothing wrong with mine." Then a couple weeks later you have a nice dev post saying that it is bugged for some and not for others and a fix is inbound.

I still never get Kuta from my hirelings:(

And bugged or not, done 2 Smithing surveys and about 5 other ones since patch, not 1 nirncrux...at that point it really isn't worth it. I could just sell the mats, buy the damn stone and it'd be cheaper in the end, not to mention less bothersome so...why bother? Kind of sad.

Unknown_poster wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

Tyr wrote: »

poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »

I actually bugged it. I felt slightly better.

Except it's not bugged. The rate is just much lower now. I've gotten 1 from BS survey since patch.

I've done over 20 of these for 2 surveys. No crux, just some crap. At that point I decided it's a bug. I can't afford the gold and time for no result.

No matter what they intended, even a 25% chance can leave some people without anything for a very long time. Well coded, there would be a slightly better chance next time, every time there was no survey.

Nobody cares if "you can't afford the gold and time" because you're impatient.
Personal bad RNG is NOT a bug.

Further, you have no idea how it's coded and no idea if 2 in 20 is near or far from the intended rate.

Even more importantly is the fact that the devs for certain can track EXACTLY how many players as a whole are getting and would know there's a bug well before you ever were able to objectively recognize a problem.

So stop posting stupid big reports and wasting CS time.

Actually you seem to be in the minority here. I did say all evidence was anecdotal. But rage all you like, if it is bugged, it will be adjusted. Reminds me of earlier when people were complaining about Kuta hireling mails not dropping, and a very vocal minority like you were "stfu..there's nothing wrong with mine." Then a couple weeks later you have a nice dev post saying that it is bugged for some and not for others and a fix is inbound.

I am in the minority sadly.

If the evidence is anecdotal and you have concrete evidence of the rate not being zero for some non-zero number of individuals, then you cannot apply that evidence as a part of inductive argument for a bug existing.

By making a bug report when there is no logical foundation for one existing, you are utilizing CS and/or dev resources which cannot then be used for other bugs.

You are a bit officious, don't you think?

There are several kinds of bugs. There are code bugs, mistakes really. There is also things that do not work as intended, even if the code is not bugged, a result of complexity usually.

I decided, above, that the crafting writs are not working as intended and bugged that. As I have been submitting bugs since long before the game went live, I tend to trust my own judgement in this. You don't appear to have anything to add to this, outside of your own, rather narrow, interpretation of what a bug might be. Logic is not your friend here.

helediron

After the BS report fix, i think i have tried about ten reports and got no crux. That is about hundred supposedly high-yield nodes with zero drop rate. Can any RNG be *that* bad?

I AM getting nirncruxes still, because i have to farm the materials for writs, and i still get the occasional drop at upper craglorn. This is hilarious in a most unexpected way.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom

Hi folks,

We're working on getting you some info about the Crafting Surveys and Nirncrux drop rate. In the meantime, though, we do want you to know we've seen and read this thread and others like it.

AaronMB

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi folks,

We're working on getting you some info about the Crafting Surveys and Nirncrux drop rate. In the meantime, though, we do want you to know we've seen and read this thread and others like it.

Thank you. We appreciate these kinds of posts. We'll still [snip] and moan, of course...but it won't be because ya'll didn't respond. Keep 'em coming.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]