How is this acceptable? Honestly!?

Lukeh Shadyvale

I understand making Stam builds more desired but this is just out of control! Absolutely ridiculous.

How can ANYONE travel around Cyrodiil when this can occur at any moment.
To make matters worse they do this from 40m away undetected. So basically we're getting killed by shadows!

Thanks guys. Great job. You've made Stamina builds more desired by making every other build as weak as paper to these bloody invisible snipers.

Columba

Listen for the snipe, then dodge or block. Most of my snipes never hit, and I rarely die to them. Helpful hints.

rtc07

Dodge roll is very much your friend. I've started playing my NB again now that the game is a bit more stamina friendly and I don't kill any good players with just Snipe. It's really not that hard to avoid once you figure it out. The noobs on the other hand are tasty treats.

Sharee

Yeah, the ssssssSSSSSSWHACK sound is hard to miss. I strongly suggest binding the dodge roll key to something very easily reachable (i have it on my middle mouse button) instead of the double tapping. DT is just too slow and unreliable.

Also, judging by the damage, i guess those were crits. If you do not have impenetrable armor you should get some asap.

Varicite

Sharee wrote: »

Also, judging by the damage, i guess those were crits. If you do not have impenetrable armor you should get some asap.

This is pretty much exactly what I thought as well.

Also, you have less than 2.8k hp, which is generally considered a "glass cannon" in Cyrodiil. Are you honestly that surprised that you got blown up when somebody caught you w/ your guard down?

Lukeh Shadyvale wrote: »

You've made Stamina builds more desired by making every other build as weak as paper to these bloody invisible snipers.

Let's make no mistake here. You have something like 2.7k hp. Your build was already weak as paper.

Cody

i killed one of those today in blackwater blade.... the guy 2-3shoted everyone he jumped... i got out mage light.... found him... attacked him... he tried to run away, did not fight back whatsoever... I ended up killing him.

this build is not as powerful as you guys seem to think it is. the typical 1H and Shield block and cast build is still twice as effective, stave builds are still twice as effective, people finally have a decent way to kill the juggarnauts of PvP and you all complain?



here is a hint: DODGE

if the player is using it within venom arrow/crushing shock/bash range, interrupt them, they will eb forced to CC break, wasting 1.4 of their stamina, then once they roll a few times, they will run out of stamina, and be helpless.

worst case scenario: the player will have DW with sparks or will pull out a shield and tank you to death. Stop asking for stamina builds to be nerfed and learn how to fight them. Just liek Stamina build shave had to deal with fighting magica builds the past 7 months.

Thudunblundur

I notice with the lag the SWACK noise go on for 20 or 30 seconds. Have to admit I'm smiling imagining the frustrated archer at the other end holding Snipe for an age and cursing as it just wiggles faintly...;)

MiyaTheUnbroken

Lukeh Shadyvale wrote: »

I understand making Stam builds more desired but this is just out of control! Absolutely ridiculous.

How can ANYONE travel around Cyrodiil when this can occur at any moment.
To make matters worse they do this from 40m away undetected. So basically we're getting killed by shadows!

Thanks guys. Great job. You've made Stamina builds more desired by making every other build as weak as paper to these bloody invisible snipers.

Kind of the point of a nightblade.

kijima

You are 100% correct, it's not acceptable.

It's not acceptable to have less than 3K health in PvP, it's not acceptable to not wear impen, and it's not acceptable to not dodge roll.

Gilvoth

you only have 2791 health.
get gold veteran glyphs of health on your armor and try to respec for a minimum of 3200 health.

also: when you see or hear you have been hit by a snipe immmediatly block.

hope this helps, as it has saved my life by doing those things i just suggested.

KBKB

If you're on your horsie and you hear the sound double tab the stealth key for insta dismount/enter stealth/leave stealth. Oh and yes dodge roll is baller.

kijima

Also, if you were in stealthing while being detected, your dead too. First hit will not only tear you done, but it'll stun you. Then the second hit is inevitable, can;t dodge roll out of that sucker while stunned.

With the lower health you have, it would be an easy way for you to die.

eNumbra

How terrible...

Ackwalan

Why do people act like they are the only ones who play the game? We all experience both the good and bad in PvP, so pretending that NB's with a bows are wiping everyone who crosses their path is just ridiculous.

TRIP233

Balancing is making them equal, not shifting from one op resource to making the other resource more op then the first resource. Zeni.. go back to the drawing board. And while you're at it make Templar's have more DPS... I'm tired of being extremely lacking in that area.

Well.. I supose I could pick up a bow... they now make any build OP..

Columba

some god mode sorc in LA whining. QQ

RinaldoGandolphi

"sigh"

You MUST have Impenetrable traits on ALL of your armor, no ands, ifs, or buts...if your going to PVP, every other trait is trash....those are critical hits that's why its doing that much damage.

Secondly, Radiant Magelight is your friend, flat 56% damage reduction from all stealth attacks against you, and you can see them easier.

you have to adapt, there is no 1 bar suits all for everything in PVP, unless your a Dragonknight.

Tintinabula

The player prolly has no magika and stacked stamina heavily..prolly not much health either...those are the types if you can nail them down..they die fast..

and yes radiant magelight is a must if you don't wanna be hit like that.

EIGHTS

I got this!

jnjdun_ESO

Lukeh Shadyvale wrote: »

I understand making Stam builds more desired but this is just out of control! Absolutely ridiculous.

How can ANYONE travel around Cyrodiil when this can occur at any moment.
To make matters worse they do this from 40m away undetected. So basically we're getting killed by shadows!

Thanks guys. Great job. You've made Stamina builds more desired by making every other build as weak as paper to these bloody invisible snipers.

Diabetes can lead to serious complications and premature death.......

rtc07

I mean we're responding to an OP who's kill counter says he has a 55:20 KD ratio so I think we're dealing with a L2P issue... as many previous comments including mine have mentioned.

DezIsDead

I'm not gonna tell you to l2p, but I am going to recommend getting a few shields. I run 3 shields on my heal bar, rarely do snipes kill me in a battle, unless I fail to reapply my shields. Which is my fault not the bow dudes. Ganking on the other hand, I'm simple cannon fodder. Yeah bows are ridiculous right now, but mostly just because their fun as hell. I mean I jumped on my crafter NB and went to cyrodill just to shoot a couple ppl.

Rylana

EIGHTS wrote: »

I got this!

THIS IS SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Junipus

jnjdun_ESO wrote: »

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Lukeh Shadyvale wrote: »

I understand making Stam builds more desired but this is just out of control! Absolutely ridiculous.

How can ANYONE travel around Cyrodiil when this can occur at any moment.
To make matters worse they do this from 40m away undetected. So basically we're getting killed by shadows!

Thanks guys. Great job. You've made Stamina builds more desired by making every other build as weak as paper to these bloody invisible snipers.

Diabetes can lead to serious complications and premature death.......

In all fairness, my build is specifically to do that. Put me in any other situation and it's not very effective.

I remember that fight too, think Davey killed me in the end.

themdogesbite

Sharee wrote: »

Yeah, the ssssssSSSSSSWHACK sound is hard to miss. I strongly suggest binding the dodge roll key to something very easily reachable (i have it on my middle mouse button) instead of the double tapping. DT is just too slow and unreliable.

Also, judging by the damage, i guess those were crits. If you do not have impenetrable armor you should get some asap.

I'm not 100% certain of this, but i thought that stealth ignores impen more or less, atleast i've been seeing similar numbers when i have 5 - 7 impen pieces. (this could also be thanks to light armour.)

That being said, denying that bows are way to strong right now is deluded, new way to get max dps in trials? You guessed it! Bows.

Scamandros

EIGHTS wrote: »

I got this!

Early in the game you could dodge roll and fall through the ground, thus avoiding fall damage. Since that has been removed there is no counter to gravity, talk about rediculous balance.

Seriously though: volc rune is buggy as hell for that

martinhpb16_ESO

Lukeh Shadyvale wrote: »

I understand making Stam builds more desired but this is just out of control! Absolutely ridiculous.

How can ANYONE travel around Cyrodiil when this can occur at any moment.
To make matters worse they do this from 40m away undetected. So basically we're getting killed by shadows!

Thanks guys. Great job. You've made Stamina builds more desired by making every other build as weak as paper to these bloody invisible snipers.

if you stand their like a lemon, then yes.

p.s. As a NB I could throw up similar recaps of when I'm zerged by another class. Presumably they need a nerf too?

Cody

woodsro wrote: »

"sigh"

You MUST have Impenetrable traits on ALL of your armor, no ands, ifs, or buts...if your going to PVP, every other trait is trash....those are critical hits that's why its doing that much damage.

Secondly, Radiant Magelight is your friend, flat 56% damage reduction from all stealth attacks against you, and you can see them easier.

you have to adapt, there is no 1 bar suits all for everything in PVP, unless your a Dragonknight.

you dont even need impenetrable for some of those people.... i wear no impen, and i have yet to be hit for snipe for that much.... most so far was about 1.2K

eliisra

DezIsDead wrote: »

I'm not gonna tell you to l2p, but I am going to recommend getting a few shields. I run 3 shields on my heal bar, rarely do snipes kill me in a battle, unless I fail to reapply my shields. Which is my fault not the bow dudes. Ganking on the other hand, I'm simple cannon fodder. Yeah bows are ridiculous right now, but mostly just because their fun as hell. I mean I jumped on my crafter NB and went to cyrodill just to shoot a couple ppl.

You cant shield stack vs. bows unless you're in a raid getting group shields from allies. Bows ignore both Annulment and Defensive Posture + Morphs. Healing Ward is a smart heal, only works on self when no one is nearby.

This is one of the reasons bows are so popular. It's the hardest hitting ranged weapon in the game and it can't be effectively absorbed or quickly healed due to debuff.

I do feel it's pretty balanced 1v1, hit like a truck but no survivability. You're literally made out of paper with a fully maxed bow build, since most protective skills scales from magicka.

Issue is how bows are more like 3v1 right now or even more. You die instantly with 0% inc healing. Being focused by 3v1 casters or other weapon users, you can still survive a short while rotating shields against the spells, hitting a CC to shut down the guys in mele and getting heals from friendlies. This is not possible when facing the archer army. You just go splat.

I'm saying this as someone who often plays healer, that stacking healing debuff is probably the biggest issue. There's no way to save someone (or yourself) with inc 0% healing at 5-10% health. They need purge, often twice, than heal spam. You dont have time to do both.

Lava_Croft

eliisra wrote: »

I'm saying this as someone who often plays healer, that stacking healing debuff is probably the biggest issue. There's no way to save someone (or yourself) with inc 0% healing at 5-10% health. They need purge, often twice, than heal spam. You dont have time to do both.

This is currently the most prevalent problem with Snipe. Any attempt at getting a feel for the current balance is destroyed by the near-permanent 100% heal debuff.

Junipus

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

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Lukeh Shadyvale wrote: »

I understand making Stam builds more desired but this is just out of control! Absolutely ridiculous.

How can ANYONE travel around Cyrodiil when this can occur at any moment.
To make matters worse they do this from 40m away undetected. So basically we're getting killed by shadows!

Thanks guys. Great job. You've made Stamina builds more desired by making every other build as weak as paper to these bloody invisible snipers.

if you stand their like a lemon, then yes.

p.s. As a NB I could throw up similar recaps of when I'm zerged by another class. Presumably they need a nerf too?

For the record, it was a minor skirmish with both hits landing before I broke out of stealth. Poor guy didn't stand a chance without some form of shield or healing.

As much fun as it is, they do need to address the healing debuff only. Once they introduce FCs back into the game there'll be less chance for players like myself to pick off as many players as we can since there'll be less travelling.