The Xp conversion. will you hang around?

Divinius

No I don't like the new system

I'm amused by the fact that all of the people that posted who chose "I like the new system" quite obviously don't understand how borked the new system is, or are just assuming that they will fix it.

Hint: Check the 1.5.3 notes -- they didn't really fix it. They upped the xp for lower level mobs slightly, but nothing to fix the abysmal exp from quest rewards.

Rumba1

Just here for the sweetrolls

I'm with Ghengis_dhan, I don't care what kind of system they use either.
I enjoy playing the game as long as my toons progress and expand their capabilities. As long as that progression is reasonably paced I'm happy.

c0rp

No I don't like the new system

As long as the quest XP remains nerfed, I will not be playing until champion points are in the game. Sometimes I just dont have a damn clue what ZoS is thinking. Why on Earth they want to make VR MORE MISERABLE than it already is (for however long till Champion System) is completely beyond my comprehension.

Izzban

No I don't like the new system

The new system takes more time to get to VR14. I know they said it takes less, they are lying/twisting things. I quit playing any VR chars because of the slow XP which I thought was a bug. It is clear that a full clear of a zone results in less % of a VR level than before.

How, EXACTLY, is VR leveling increased?

You can keep the BS response of different play styles, because there is only the quest/dolmen/WB play style and the grind bosses/MOBS play style for gaining XP. What other play style for leveling is there?

JessieColt

Yes I like the new system

Unfortunately for Zos, the game is in a transition phase which is making a lot of users angry.

The vast majority of the users who are angry are that way because of the transition phase we are in with the game.

In the end, incremental patches will not make people happy. Some may even get more angry.

This is short-sighted in the most literal sense of the term.

The only way to see what the final outcome will be is to wait until the Champion system is fully implemented and VR levels are completely gone.

It is like going to a mechanic to have your dashboard replaced, but it will take a month to get the new one in.

In the mean time, you drive the car with the dashboard missing. But you complain every day that the dashboard is missing.

The AC vents don't point in the right direction. Yeah, we know, but that will be resolved when the new dashboard is put in.

But they don't work!!!

They do work, they just do not point in the right direction. This will be all be better when then new dashboard is put in.

But what am I supposed to do now!!!! I don't want to wait.

Is your car still getting cold even though the vents don't point directly at you? Well, yes.

Okay, so they do work, just not exactly the way you want them to. When the new dashboard is put in, they will point directly at you again. So just wait.

But I don't want to wait. I want you to build in a system that forces them to point at me.

Um, you want us to build in a system to address an issue that will no longer exist when the new dashboard is put in, even though it does get cold in your car? This will also mean more time in undoing what you want us to build for you when the new dashboard goes in?

YES!!! I demand you do this, or I will never take my car back to you again.

Cuyler

JessieColt wrote: »

Unfortunately for Zos, the game is in a transition phase which is making a lot of users angry.

The vast majority of the users who are angry are that way because of the transition phase we are in with the game.

In the end, incremental patches will not make people happy. Some may even get more angry.

This is short-sighted in the most literal sense of the term.

The only way to see what the final outcome will be is to wait until the Champion system is fully implemented and VR levels are completely gone.

It is like going to a mechanic to have your dashboard replaced, but it will take a month to get the new one in.

In the mean time, you drive the car with the dashboard missing. But you complain every day that the dashboard is missing.

The AC vents don't point in the right direction. Yeah, we know, but that will be resolved when the new dashboard is put in.

But they don't work!!!

They do work, they just do not point in the right direction. This will be all be better when then new dashboard is put in.

But what am I supposed to do now!!!! I don't want to wait.

Is your car still getting cold even though the vents don't point directly at you? Well, yes.

Okay, so they do work, just not exactly the way you want them to. When the new dashboard is put in, they will point directly at you again. So just wait.

But I don't want to wait. I want you to build in a system that forces them to point at me.

Um, you want us to build in a system to address an issue that will no longer exist when the new dashboard is put in, even though it does get cold in your car? This will also mean more time in undoing what you want us to build for you when the new dashboard goes in?

YES!!! I demand you do this, or I will never take my car back to you again.

The problem with your argument is that you don't have to pay for a car while it's waiting to be repaired, but we have to pay for the sub while they get it together. I think most are angry because they take our money and give us an unfinished product.

lordspyder

Just here for the sweetrolls

Cuyler wrote: »

JessieColt wrote: »

Unfortunately for Zos, the game is in a transition phase which is making a lot of users angry.

The vast majority of the users who are angry are that way because of the transition phase we are in with the game.

In the end, incremental patches will not make people happy. Some may even get more angry.

This is short-sighted in the most literal sense of the term.

The only way to see what the final outcome will be is to wait until the Champion system is fully implemented and VR levels are completely gone.

It is like going to a mechanic to have your dashboard replaced, but it will take a month to get the new one in.

In the mean time, you drive the car with the dashboard missing. But you complain every day that the dashboard is missing.

The AC vents don't point in the right direction. Yeah, we know, but that will be resolved when the new dashboard is put in.

But they don't work!!!

They do work, they just do not point in the right direction. This will be all be better when then new dashboard is put in.

But what am I supposed to do now!!!! I don't want to wait.

Is your car still getting cold even though the vents don't point directly at you? Well, yes.

Okay, so they do work, just not exactly the way you want them to. When the new dashboard is put in, they will point directly at you again. So just wait.

But I don't want to wait. I want you to build in a system that forces them to point at me.

Um, you want us to build in a system to address an issue that will no longer exist when the new dashboard is put in, even though it does get cold in your car? This will also mean more time in undoing what you want us to build for you when the new dashboard goes in?

YES!!! I demand you do this, or I will never take my car back to you again.

The problem with your argument is that you don't have to pay for a car while it's waiting to be repaired, but we have to pay for the sub while they get it together. I think most are angry because they take our money and give us an unfinished product.

Have you ever bought or leased a car? You most certainly do have to continue paying for it while it's being repaired...

JessieColt

Yes I like the new system

Cuyler wrote: »

JessieColt wrote: »

Unfortunately for Zos, the game is in a transition phase which is making a lot of users angry.

The vast majority of the users who are angry are that way because of the transition phase we are in with the game.

In the end, incremental patches will not make people happy. Some may even get more angry.

This is short-sighted in the most literal sense of the term.

The only way to see what the final outcome will be is to wait until the Champion system is fully implemented and VR levels are completely gone.

It is like going to a mechanic to have your dashboard replaced, but it will take a month to get the new one in.

In the mean time, you drive the car with the dashboard missing. But you complain every day that the dashboard is missing.

The AC vents don't point in the right direction. Yeah, we know, but that will be resolved when the new dashboard is put in.

But they don't work!!!

They do work, they just do not point in the right direction. This will be all be better when then new dashboard is put in.

But what am I supposed to do now!!!! I don't want to wait.

Is your car still getting cold even though the vents don't point directly at you? Well, yes.

Okay, so they do work, just not exactly the way you want them to. When the new dashboard is put in, they will point directly at you again. So just wait.

But I don't want to wait. I want you to build in a system that forces them to point at me.

Um, you want us to build in a system to address an issue that will no longer exist when the new dashboard is put in, even though it does get cold in your car? This will also mean more time in undoing what you want us to build for you when the new dashboard goes in?

YES!!! I demand you do this, or I will never take my car back to you again.

The problem with your argument is that you don't have to pay for a car while it's waiting to be repaired, but we have to pay for the sub while they get it together. I think most are angry because they take our money and give us an unfinished product.

Really? Your car runs on air? Your insurance is free? You are excused from making car payments if it isn't paid off yet?

You are still paying for the ability to use the car.

babylon

No I don't like the new system

JessieColt wrote: »

You are still paying for the ability to use the car.

^he means sit in the car and wind the windows down, to look at the garage walls.

akalabethb14_ESO

No I don't like the new system

JessieColt wrote: »

Unfortunately for Zos, the game is in a transition phase which is making a lot of users angry.

The vast majority of the users who are angry are that way because of the transition phase we are in with the game.

In the end, incremental patches will not make people happy. Some may even get more angry.

This is short-sighted in the most literal sense of the term.

The only way to see what the final outcome will be is to wait until the Champion system is fully implemented and VR levels are completely gone.

It is like going to a mechanic to have your dashboard replaced, but it will take a month to get the new one in.

In the mean time, you drive the car with the dashboard missing. But you complain every day that the dashboard is missing.

The AC vents don't point in the right direction. Yeah, we know, but that will be resolved when the new dashboard is put in.

But they don't work!!!

They do work, they just do not point in the right direction. This will be all be better when then new dashboard is put in.

But what am I supposed to do now!!!! I don't want to wait.

Is your car still getting cold even though the vents don't point directly at you? Well, yes.

Okay, so they do work, just not exactly the way you want them to. When the new dashboard is put in, they will point directly at you again. So just wait.

But I don't want to wait. I want you to build in a system that forces them to point at me.

Um, you want us to build in a system to address an issue that will no longer exist when the new dashboard is put in, even though it does get cold in your car? This will also mean more time in undoing what you want us to build for you when the new dashboard goes in?

YES!!! I demand you do this, or I will never take my car back to you again.

Yes, but is a $15 a month game as big of a necessity as a car?

Not really. I could keep playing and continue to complain, but I think unsubbing until the champion system comes out is probably more ideal.

Until I can't post anymore, you bet I am going to vent my frustration because I really wish I could keep playing the game, but the issues surrounding the game makes it so I can't justify it. =/

Cuyler

JessieColt wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

JessieColt wrote: »

Unfortunately for Zos, the game is in a transition phase which is making a lot of users angry.

The vast majority of the users who are angry are that way because of the transition phase we are in with the game.

In the end, incremental patches will not make people happy. Some may even get more angry.

This is short-sighted in the most literal sense of the term.

The only way to see what the final outcome will be is to wait until the Champion system is fully implemented and VR levels are completely gone.

It is like going to a mechanic to have your dashboard replaced, but it will take a month to get the new one in.

In the mean time, you drive the car with the dashboard missing. But you complain every day that the dashboard is missing.

The AC vents don't point in the right direction. Yeah, we know, but that will be resolved when the new dashboard is put in.

But they don't work!!!

They do work, they just do not point in the right direction. This will be all be better when then new dashboard is put in.

But what am I supposed to do now!!!! I don't want to wait.

Is your car still getting cold even though the vents don't point directly at you? Well, yes.

Okay, so they do work, just not exactly the way you want them to. When the new dashboard is put in, they will point directly at you again. So just wait.

But I don't want to wait. I want you to build in a system that forces them to point at me.

Um, you want us to build in a system to address an issue that will no longer exist when the new dashboard is put in, even though it does get cold in your car? This will also mean more time in undoing what you want us to build for you when the new dashboard goes in?

YES!!! I demand you do this, or I will never take my car back to you again.

The problem with your argument is that you don't have to pay for a car while it's waiting to be repaired, but we have to pay for the sub while they get it together. I think most are angry because they take our money and give us an unfinished product.

Really? Your car runs on air? Your insurance is free? You are excused from making car payments if it isn't paid off yet?

You are still paying for the ability to use the car.

Ah I see what you mean now......no I always pay cash, wouldn't drive it if it was freezing (so no gas), and cancel the insurance/reg if it was off the road for more than a month (as is the case with my '10 SS Camaro )

EDIT: I have a few reasons that have kept me subbed whereas I normally would have unsubbed for this "transition" period:

1. Lucky enough have a v14 to play without needing xp.
2. Have a responsibility to my guild members.
3. altaholic

Let's just say the ones who only have a main char between v1-v13 are very gratuitous for paying the sub. I know my v7 has been "garaged" for the meantime.

EDIT: Speeling

bellanca6561n

Just here for the sweetrolls

Never cared for leveling based games in the first place. I can see skill progression based on using a skill up to a point, but leveling beyond, say, 5 levels or so that serve as a tutorial is a pox upon many houses.

Leveling is easy to design, provides a too easy hook, and is a poor substitute for genuine content. Plus it tends to select for people with holes in their lives while making those holes larger.

Leveling, as such, will go away in the next generation of these games as fresh concepts of validation and achievement replace this very tired one.

Garetth

"My normal play style includes all side quests, all dolmens, all dungeons and all world bosses, just for reference, and I WAS able to get one Vet Rank per Zone before.
If it would be the case that you can only reach half of those levels now, than their numbers would look something like "20 hours before, now increased time you need for a Veteran Level up to 35 hours"


My V8 Templar moved into Rivenspire just before patch 1.5 and was 24% complete into V8.

I have now completed all quests, dolmens, public dungeon-complete, world bosses, dungeons and plenty of random mob killing and I'm now sitting at 72% complete of V8. That is less that half a Vet rank per zone now, where as before the patch I would get more than one veteran rank per zone.

This is a huge nerf to quest and general xp.

mandragor1996

If many are in such a hurry to level, what are you going to do when you get there quicker? Doesn't that mean just more negative responses about lack of something to do that is entertaining. If you cant find things to do now while you wait for a fix then you are probably not going to find much to do after leveling is done. How does reaching that faster help at all? I remember the days of hell levels in EQ that took days or even more than a week to get through with eye bleeding grinding. I haven't run into a game since that bad and this doesn't seem that bad.

akalabethb14_ESO

No I don't like the new system

mandragor1996 wrote: »

If many are in such a hurry to level, what are you going to do when you get there quicker? Doesn't that mean just more negative responses about lack of something to do that is entertaining. If you cant find things to do now while you wait for a fix then you are probably not going to find much to do after leveling is done. How does reaching that faster help at all? I remember the days of hell levels in EQ that took days or even more than a week to get through with eye bleeding grinding. I haven't run into a game since that bad and this doesn't seem that bad.

Well, give it a shot. Perhaps ESO is just trying to be old school and bring back that great, great gameplay feature.

Garetth

mandragor1996 wrote: »

If many are in such a hurry to level, what are you going to do when you get there quicker? Doesn't that mean just more negative responses about lack of something to do that is entertaining. If you cant find things to do now while you wait for a fix then you are probably not going to find much to do after leveling is done. How does reaching that faster help at all? I remember the days of hell levels in EQ that took days or even more than a week to get through with eye bleeding grinding. I haven't run into a game since that bad and this doesn't seem that bad.

Maybe you don't realize that with this xp nerf your character will always be behind as they level the Vet areas. Your V2 will be fighting in V4 zones, your V4 will be fighting in V8 zones.

I guess after each zone you could go to Craglorn and try to find a group to grind out your levels and then go back and do the zone. Sounds like a blast doesn't it?

Guppet

No I don't like the new system

JessieColt wrote: »

Unfortunately for Zos, the game is in a transition phase which is making a lot of users angry.

The vast majority of the users who are angry are that way because of the transition phase we are in with the game.

In the end, incremental patches will not make people happy. Some may even get more angry.

This is short-sighted in the most literal sense of the term.

The only way to see what the final outcome will be is to wait until the Champion system is fully implemented and VR levels are completely gone.

It is like going to a mechanic to have your dashboard replaced, but it will take a month to get the new one in.

In the mean time, you drive the car with the dashboard missing. But you complain every day that the dashboard is missing.

The AC vents don't point in the right direction. Yeah, we know, but that will be resolved when the new dashboard is put in.

But they don't work!!!

They do work, they just do not point in the right direction. This will be all be better when then new dashboard is put in.

But what am I supposed to do now!!!! I don't want to wait.

Is your car still getting cold even though the vents don't point directly at you? Well, yes.

Okay, so they do work, just not exactly the way you want them to. When the new dashboard is put in, they will point directly at you again. So just wait.

But I don't want to wait. I want you to build in a system that forces them to point at me.

Um, you want us to build in a system to address an issue that will no longer exist when the new dashboard is put in, even though it does get cold in your car? This will also mean more time in undoing what you want us to build for you when the new dashboard goes in?

YES!!! I demand you do this, or I will never take my car back to you again.

Waiting till the champ system is out, is what a lot of us are doing. Since we don't want to play until it is out, we are cancelling our subs. So really we are doing as you suggest.

I'm just not quite sure if having a large amount of players stopping paying them for a few months was the outcome ZOS was looking for.

Still this was their decision, so it's their consequences to deal with.

mandragor1996

Garetth wrote: »

mandragor1996 wrote: »

If many are in such a hurry to level, what are you going to do when you get there quicker? Doesn't that mean just more negative responses about lack of something to do that is entertaining. If you cant find things to do now while you wait for a fix then you are probably not going to find much to do after leveling is done. How does reaching that faster help at all? I remember the days of hell levels in EQ that took days or even more than a week to get through with eye bleeding grinding. I haven't run into a game since that bad and this doesn't seem that bad.

Maybe you don't realize that with this xp nerf your character will always be behind as they level the Vet areas. Your V2 will be fighting in V4 zones, your V4 will be fighting in V8 zones.

I guess after each zone you could go to Craglorn and try to find a group to grind out your levels and then go back and do the zone. Sounds like a blast doesn't it?

I am not saying the current XP gain is where it should remain. What I am saying is that waiting for a fix doesn't seem to have that much impact if you cant find something do now anyway. It just means when the fix is in and leveling is back to the pace people expected then they will have nothing to do even quicker. Maybe now is a good time to find stuff to do that will carry on once the xp is fixed otherwise there are going to be many bored people after the leveling is done which will evidently be quite abit faster once the fix is in.

NukeAllTheThings

Yes but I don't like the new system

mandragor1996 wrote: »

If many are in such a hurry to level, what are you going to do when you get there quicker? Doesn't that mean just more negative responses about lack of something to do that is entertaining. If you cant find things to do now while you wait for a fix then you are probably not going to find much to do after leveling is done. How does reaching that faster help at all? I remember the days of hell levels in EQ that took days or even more than a week to get through with eye bleeding grinding. I haven't run into a game since that bad and this doesn't seem that bad.

If you have been here since beta then it is not us being in a hurry to level. Personally, I have 2 max level characters and I have been leveling alts. But you ask what are we going to do once we level? Trials & DSA

BBSooner

JessieColt wrote: »

Unfortunately for Zos, the game is in a transition phase which is making a lot of users angry.

The vast majority of the users who are angry are that way because of the transition phase we are in with the game.

In the end, incremental patches will not make people happy. Some may even get more angry.

This is short-sighted in the most literal sense of the term.

The only way to see what the final outcome will be is to wait until the Champion system is fully implemented and VR levels are completely gone.

It is like going to a mechanic to have your dashboard replaced, but it will take a month to get the new one in.

In the mean time, you drive the car with the dashboard missing. But you complain every day that the dashboard is missing.

The AC vents don't point in the right direction. Yeah, we know, but that will be resolved when the new dashboard is put in.

But they don't work!!!

They do work, they just do not point in the right direction. This will be all be better when then new dashboard is put in.

But what am I supposed to do now!!!! I don't want to wait.

Is your car still getting cold even though the vents don't point directly at you? Well, yes.

Okay, so they do work, just not exactly the way you want them to. When the new dashboard is put in, they will point directly at you again. So just wait.

But I don't want to wait. I want you to build in a system that forces them to point at me.

Um, you want us to build in a system to address an issue that will no longer exist when the new dashboard is put in, even though it does get cold in your car? This will also mean more time in undoing what you want us to build for you when the new dashboard goes in?

YES!!! I demand you do this, or I will never take my car back to you again.

Misplaced analogy, as A.C. is not required to get a driver to their destination. We're talking about a change to the core requirement to get from point A (level 50) to point B (VR cap). People have been complaining about the tediousnes of VR since inception, and though we're mid transition to a system designed to alleviate it all we are in a period where % gains to the experience bar are lower than ever - which is essentially a step backwards.

Moreover, it's been discussed multiple times that this change was supposed to increase % gains, not decrease, by making leveling in VR a quicker experience. Players are correct to voice their findings that a system already being changed because of its tediousnes is essentially now even more tedious.

Divinius

No I don't like the new system

This isn't equivalent to the AC not working in your car. It's more equivalent to a restrictor that prevents your car from going above 25 miles per hour.

jeevin

No I don't like the new system

Divinius wrote: »

This isn't equivalent to the AC not working in your car. It's more equivalent to a restrictor that prevents your car from going above 25 miles per hour.

And charging $15 per hundred miles

JessieColt

Yes I like the new system

BBSooner wrote: »

JessieColt wrote: »

Unfortunately for Zos, the game is in a transition phase which is making a lot of users angry.

The vast majority of the users who are angry are that way because of the transition phase we are in with the game.

In the end, incremental patches will not make people happy. Some may even get more angry.

This is short-sighted in the most literal sense of the term.

The only way to see what the final outcome will be is to wait until the Champion system is fully implemented and VR levels are completely gone.

It is like going to a mechanic to have your dashboard replaced, but it will take a month to get the new one in.

In the mean time, you drive the car with the dashboard missing. But you complain every day that the dashboard is missing.

The AC vents don't point in the right direction. Yeah, we know, but that will be resolved when the new dashboard is put in.

But they don't work!!!

They do work, they just do not point in the right direction. This will be all be better when then new dashboard is put in.

But what am I supposed to do now!!!! I don't want to wait.

Is your car still getting cold even though the vents don't point directly at you? Well, yes.

Okay, so they do work, just not exactly the way you want them to. When the new dashboard is put in, they will point directly at you again. So just wait.

But I don't want to wait. I want you to build in a system that forces them to point at me.

Um, you want us to build in a system to address an issue that will no longer exist when the new dashboard is put in, even though it does get cold in your car? This will also mean more time in undoing what you want us to build for you when the new dashboard goes in?

YES!!! I demand you do this, or I will never take my car back to you again.

Misplaced analogy, as A.C. is not required to get a driver to their destination. We're talking about a change to the core requirement to get from point A (level 50) to point B (VR cap). People have been complaining about the tediousnes of VR since inception, and though we're mid transition to a system designed to alleviate it all we are in a period where % gains to the experience bar are lower than ever - which is essentially a step backwards.

Moreover, it's been discussed multiple times that this change was supposed to increase % gains, not decrease, by making leveling in VR a quicker experience. Players are correct to voice their findings that a system already being changed because of its tediousnes is essentially now even more tedious.

And Vet levels are going away. Which is why users who have not reached VR14 are not seeing a significant gain in Veteran points. They are gone!

We only get XP now, not Vet points.

And they have already said that they KNOW that the Quest XP is not as high as it is supposed to be and they are working on fixing that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/138980/clarification-regarding-experience-gain-within-veteran-ranks/

As reported earlier this week, we have identified a couple issues surrounding experience gain:

Monsters that are well below your level give slightly less experience than intended. This will be fixed in our next incremental patch.
The experience that you receive at the conclusion of a particularly difficult quest can reach a limit, and thus gets capped off. While the cap is there intentionally, it was set to level 50 values rather than VR values. This is being adjusted.

A portion of that fix is supposed to be in todays patch.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/139302/patch-notes-v1-5-3

Monsters

In preparation for the Champion System, we have increased the XP granted to you for killing lower rank monsters:
You will receive full credit for monsters 1-3 ranks below you.
You will receive 75% of XP for monsters 4 ranks below you.
You will receive 30% of XP for monsters 5 or more ranks below you.
Note: This does not affect levels 1-50.

Hypertionb14_ESO

i have 2 Vr14 characters and 2 Vr not 14 characters..

at this time i have no intented of using those 2 not 14 characters in any form or fashion beyond their crafting because its utterly pointless to try and level them.

they have completely screwed up and refuse to take accountability for it..

Amsel_McKay

No I don't like the new system

"And they have already said that they KNOW that the Quest XP is not as high as it is supposed to be and they are working on fixing that."

This is almost as game breaking as when they lost all of my bank contents 8-9 times.

MornaBaine

Just here for the sweetrolls

abigfishy wrote: »

Alexander.lanngb16_ESO wrote: »

lordspyder wrote: »

As reported earlier this week, we have identified a couple issues surrounding experience gain:
Monsters that are well below your level give slightly less experience than intended. This will be fixed in our next incremental patch.
The experience that you receive at the conclusion of a particularly difficult quest can reach a limit, and thus gets capped off. While the cap is there intentionally, it was set to level 50 values rather than VR values. This is being adjusted.

that most certainly will have an impact...

You left out: "..... We’ve read your concerns about whether or not it’s worthwhile to continue playing your Veteran characters. The short answer is yes. It is still worth it to continue playing your Veteran characters. You will have no significant experience loss due to the identified issues, and you won’t be wasting your time."

How is the world do you expect people to think their comming "fix" will make a difference when they state that it wont ?

How is this compatible with their statement that levelling V level characters should be much faster after patch 1.5 whereas it is 10 times slower?

THIS! ^^ WTH ZOS????

MornaBaine

Just here for the sweetrolls

Alexander.lanngb16_ESO wrote: »

abigfishy wrote: »

Alexander.lanngb16_ESO wrote: »

lordspyder wrote: »

As reported earlier this week, we have identified a couple issues surrounding experience gain:
Monsters that are well below your level give slightly less experience than intended. This will be fixed in our next incremental patch.
The experience that you receive at the conclusion of a particularly difficult quest can reach a limit, and thus gets capped off. While the cap is there intentionally, it was set to level 50 values rather than VR values. This is being adjusted.

that most certainly will have an impact...

You left out: "..... We’ve read your concerns about whether or not it’s worthwhile to continue playing your Veteran characters. The short answer is yes. It is still worth it to continue playing your Veteran characters. You will have no significant experience loss due to the identified issues, and you won’t be wasting your time."

How is the world do you expect people to think their comming "fix" will make a difference when they state that it wont ?

How is this compatible with their statement that levelling V level characters should be much faster after patch 1.5 whereas it is 10 times slower?

It's not, that's what I mean. It's über slow now and their comming "fix" won't make it faster than before 1.5 and it won't change anything significant with the current rate, based on their own statement.

Based upon what people are already reporting, you are exactly correct. Alas.

BBSooner

JessieColt wrote: »

Unfortunately for Zos, the game is in a transition phase which is making a lot of users angry.

The vast majority of the users who are angry are that way because of the transition phase we are in with the game.

In the end, incremental patches will not make people happy. Some may even get more angry.

This is short-sighted in the most literal sense of the term.

The only way to see what the final outcome will be is to wait until the Champion system is fully implemented and VR levels are completely gone.

It is like going to a mechanic to have your dashboard replaced, but it will take a month to get the new one in.

In the mean time, you drive the car with the dashboard missing. But you complain every day that the dashboard is missing.

The AC vents don't point in the right direction. Yeah, we know, but that will be resolved when the new dashboard is put in.

But they don't work!!!

They do work, they just do not point in the right direction. This will be all be better when then new dashboard is put in.

But what am I supposed to do now!!!! I don't want to wait.

Is your car still getting cold even though the vents don't point directly at you? Well, yes.

Okay, so they do work, just not exactly the way you want them to. When the new dashboard is put in, they will point directly at you again. So just wait.

But I don't want to wait. I want you to build in a system that forces them to point at me.

Um, you want us to build in a system to address an issue that will no longer exist when the new dashboard is put in, even though it does get cold in your car? This will also mean more time in undoing what you want us to build for you when the new dashboard goes in?

YES!!! I demand you do this, or I will never take my car back to you again.

Misplaced analogy, as A.C. is not required to get a driver to their destination. We're talking about a change to the core requirement to get from point A (level 50) to point B (VR cap). People have been complaining about the tediousnes of VR since inception, and though we're mid transition to a system designed to alleviate it all we are in a period where % gains to the experience bar are lower than ever - which is essentially a step backwards.

Moreover, it's been discussed multiple times that this change was supposed to increase % gains, not decrease, by making leveling in VR a quicker experience. Players are correct to voice their findings that a system already being changed because of its tediousnes is essentially now even more tedious.

And Vet levels are going away. Which is why users who have not reached VR14 are not seeing a significant gain in Veteran points. They are gone!

We only get XP now, not Vet points.

And they have already said that they KNOW that the Quest XP is not as high as it is supposed to be and they are working on fixing that.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/138980/clarification-regarding-experience-gain-within-veteran-ranks/

As reported earlier this week, we have identified a couple issues surrounding experience gain:

Monsters that are well below your level give slightly less experience than intended. This will be fixed in our next incremental patch.
The experience that you receive at the conclusion of a particularly difficult quest can reach a limit, and thus gets capped off. While the cap is there intentionally, it was set to level 50 values rather than VR values. This is being adjusted.

A portion of that fix is supposed to be in todays patch.

forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/139302/patch-notes-v1-5-3

Monsters

In preparation for the Champion System, we have increased the XP granted to you for killing lower rank monsters:
You will receive full credit for monsters 1-3 ranks below you.
You will receive 75% of XP for monsters 4 ranks below you.
You will receive 30% of XP for monsters 5 or more ranks below you.
Note: This does not affect levels 1-50.

Agreed, all of that is known. I was merely commenting on your trivializing of the issues with the patch by making a false analogy.

Whether or not these "adjustments" yield the appropriate accommodations once implemented is a completely different story though.

jeevin

No I don't like the new system

This is getting funny. Okay so now the patch that includes a fix for some of the quest XP is borked too so we won't know the exact impact of the fix until after Thursday. Until then happy questing adventurers!

stunning

Lets recap -- they new the vr zones were lvling to slow and put in a patch that made it around 3 times slower -- than they said this had to do with some champion system they are planning to introduce sometime in the future -- than they said that the quests were not giving the correct xp and would be corrected in the up coming patch -- but in the patch they never even tried to correct the broken quests but addressed the mob xp -- but that did not take and they are going to try to fix that soon -- You cannot make this crap up --how can we ever believe they will correct anything -- they just don't seem to give a crap what we say or think or how many player will quit this game did I miss anything ??