what is the point of scattershot catapults?

Hypertionb14_ESO · October 2014

they seem to have like a slightly bigger aoe.... but they do so little damage that even hitting a player dead on has so little of a effect that they can regenerate with just basic Health Regeneration...

200 damage on those Seige Weapons.... they really need to deal at least 500

the only one i ever bought ended up finally getting used up by repeatedly shooting at a guy who very quickly realized he could just stand there dancing and never actually be in danger because his HP was back to full before the next attack even launched...

Karamis_Vimardon · October 2014

They are good for identifying PvPers that are either new or terrible. That is all.

JaJaLuka · October 2014

lol

they can break stealth. apart from that > useless

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · October 2014

The scattershot is ZOS' anti zerg siege weapon if you fire 20 at once onto a group of stacked players this will 1 shot them. It's quite a powerful tool in the right hands.

Ezareth · October 2014

You set one of them up for *that guy* who never brings siege and is always happy to take yours.

Davadin · October 2014

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

The scattershot is ZOS' anti zerg siege weapon if you fire 20 at once onto a group of stacked players this will 1 shot them. It's quite a powerful tool in the right hands.

This is sarcasm, right?

Please don't tell me ZOS thinks it's feasible to have 20 of these things shooting at one thing...

JamilaRaj · October 2014

As said above, apart from un-stealthing sneaky ninjas it is useless.

Regarding damage to players, all siege weapons should be boosted a bit to keep up with increased character levels and softcaps (last but not least on regen). Save for oil I see very few people dying to siege weapons.

Lord_Draevan · October 2014

Are they really that bad? Personally I only use regular and firebolt ballistaes plus the occasional meatbag catapult.

Davadin · October 2014

JamilaRaj wrote: »

As said above, apart from un-stealthing sneaky ninjas it is useless.

Regarding damage to players, all siege weapons should be boosted a bit to keep up with increased character levels and softcaps (last but not least on regen). Save for oil I see very few people dying to siege weapons.

I kill alot with meatbags (disease) and oil catapults, and hurts a lot with fire ballistas. And i also die alot by fire trebuchet/ballistas (i'm a vamp)..

Other than those, yes, please boost the damage.

Agrippa_Invisus · October 2014

Meatbags kill through their debuff. Fire siege kills through tons of people being vamps (trust me, it's not that strong at all vs a human).

Oil cats are great due to the snare.

Armitas · October 2014

It's helpful for when you are trying to decide which sieger you want to kill. "Hmm now who do I want to pounce.......That guy!"

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO · October 2014

Armitas wrote: »

It's helpful for when you are trying to decide which sieger you want to kill. "Hmm now who do I want to pounce.......That guy!"

You know you can kill them afterwards because they are laughing about the siege and can't press any buttons

serenenightmare · October 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

You set one of them up for *that guy* who never brings siege and is always happy to take yours.

@ezareth_ESO -senpai's seige! MUST TAKE! HE TOUCHED IT! IT WAS IN HIS INVENTORY!

CoolsHisHands · October 2014

Scattershot should cause disorient. Then it would be used a lot more. Right now if you're trying to turn a zerg, the most useful catapults are, in order: Meatbag, Oil catapult, playing /lute, Scattershot.

The main usefulness of scattershot was, I assume, supposed to be revealing stealthed enemies, but caltrops does this job much more efficiently and accurately.

driosketch · October 2014

Two best sieges are meatbag and the normal ballista in most cases as they are good at both defending and attacking. Meatbags are best against player clusters. I've killed so many both as an attacker and a defender firing into breaches and onto flags. Regular ballista does decent damage against gates and walls, and will especially chew through enemy seige weapons.

Stone trebs are great for walls, and while not as fast as a ballista, can arc over things. Fire balistas are the poor man's regular ballista, literally, doing less damage up front, but better versus players. You'll want to use it, and the fire treb for those on a wall, to attack the siege operator.

The snare siege, lightning balista and oil catapult, are good when used in addition to other sieges versus mobile groups. There is also the ice treb, but a bit slow to use against those enemies.

That just leaves the scatter catapult. I used to use these a lot early on, until players started reaching the cap and it just wasn't doing enough damage. It has a wider AoE, but hunting stealthed enemies a fire or snare siege is going to be better because of the added effects. You would need to coordinate the use of multiple scatter shot along with other siege weapons to get much use out of them now.

Hypertionb14_ESO · October 2014

driosketch wrote: »

Two best sieges are meatbag and the normal ballista in most cases as they are good at both defending and attacking. Meatbags are best against player clusters. I've killed so many both as an attacker and a defender firing into breaches and onto flags. Regular ballista does decent damage against gates and walls, and will especially chew through enemy seige weapons.

Stone trebs are great for walls, and while not as fast as a ballista, can arc over things. Fire balistas are the poor man's regular ballista, literally, doing less damage up front, but better versus players. You'll want to use it, and the fire treb for those on a wall, to attack the siege operator.

The snare siege, lightning balista and oil catapult, are good when used in addition to other sieges versus mobile groups. There is also the ice treb, but a bit slow to use against those enemies.

That just leaves the scatter catapult. I used to use these a lot early on, until players started reaching the cap and it just wasn't doing enough damage. It has a wider AoE, but hunting stealthed enemies a fire or snare siege is going to be better because of the added effects. You would need to coordinate the use of multiple scatter shot along with other siege weapons to get much use out of them now.

useful ones as i have seen,

Stone Trebs(stone treb is key to hitting the inner walls when the outer is still up)

Basic/Fire Ballista (basic is the fastest way to damage walls, fire is possibly the best counter seige due to high damage vs enemy seige and DOT on the operators)

Oil/Meatbag Catapults (oil is a fast firing wide area snare, Meatbag does great player damage instantly and dot is strong and the heal debuf alone can kill)

Flaming Oil (even after the nerf this will see its uses from the top of walls. its too powerful vs players who have been funneled to not use)

the less useful ones and their reasons....

Fire/Ice Trebs (Fire is nice for hitting defenders on a wall but useless for hitting walls themselves or enemy seige. it hits players REALLY hard tho, Ice moves WAY too slow for the snare to EVER be useful)

Lightning Ballista (black sheep but still situationally useful. the snare is as good as Oil Pults but the AOE is smaller.. it might actually be the most miss understood seige out there)

Scatter Shot Catapults (Wide range but the damage is so low it will never actually be useful... players can stand under fire from one of these and will never die. most players have faster health regeneration than a scattershot can put out)

Manoekin · October 2014

Scatter shot should have a fraction of a second stun or something. It's really the most useless.

Also while we're talking siege I'm gonna call out ZOS and ask why Mixing fire and ice siege on a keep wall doesn't tear up the walls faster. Again why can't I mix oil cats and fire siege for an extra effect like lighting the ground and people hit by it on fire. You're really starting to ruin my immershun,

demonlkojipub19_ESO · October 2014

Davadin wrote: »

Izanagi.Xiiib16_ESO wrote: »

The scattershot is ZOS' anti zerg siege weapon if you fire 20 at once onto a group of stacked players this will 1 shot them. It's quite a powerful tool in the right hands.

This is sarcasm, right?

Please don't tell me ZOS thinks it's feasible to have 20 of these things shooting at one thing...

That and the siege limit is 20. Not to mention getting 20 next to each other while being able to also fire on 1 spot is impossible due to the minimum spacing needed between each large siege weapon. Its not going to happen.

The things some people try to rationalize ey? Scattershot catapults are worthless.

Ezareth · November 2014

serenenightmare wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

You set one of them up for *that guy* who never brings siege and is always happy to take yours.

@ezareth_ESO -senpai's seige! MUST TAKE! HE TOUCHED IT! IT WAS IN HIS INVENTORY!

@serenenightmare‌

I can't be the only person to be frustrated when setting up a double ballista to take down a postern that some lowbie inevitably hops on one and starts firing at players with it /=

Do those guys only exist for AD? ) =

Psilent · November 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

serenenightmare wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

You set one of them up for *that guy* who never brings siege and is always happy to take yours.

@ezareth_ESO -senpai's seige! MUST TAKE! HE TOUCHED IT! IT WAS IN HIS INVENTORY!

@serenenightmare‌

I can't be the only person to be frustrated when setting up a double ballista to take down a postern that some lowbie inevitably hops on one and starts firing at players with it /=

Do those guys only exist for AD? ) =

They exist on EP side too, but usually when someone hops on my other ballista, they shoot the wall.

Hypertionb14_ESO · November 2014

Psilent wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

serenenightmare wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

You set one of them up for *that guy* who never brings siege and is always happy to take yours.

@ezareth_ESO -senpai's seige! MUST TAKE! HE TOUCHED IT! IT WAS IN HIS INVENTORY!

@serenenightmare‌

I can't be the only person to be frustrated when setting up a double ballista to take down a postern that some lowbie inevitably hops on one and starts firing at players with it /=

Do those guys only exist for AD? ) =

They exist on EP side too, but usually when someone hops on my other ballista, they shoot the wall.

They Exist on all sides.. kind of the nature of lowbies to go "OOH FREE SEIGE! I GOING TO PWN SOME PEEPS" and wiff each shot..

i usually only set up one to avoid it but i have no problem with people using any extra seige i set up to burn a keep.. i have actually managed 4 active at once because pugs started picking them up..

Ezareth · November 2014

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

serenenightmare wrote: »

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

You set one of them up for *that guy* who never brings siege and is always happy to take yours.

@ezareth_ESO -senpai's seige! MUST TAKE! HE TOUCHED IT! IT WAS IN HIS INVENTORY!

@serenenightmare‌

I can't be the only person to be frustrated when setting up a double ballista to take down a postern that some lowbie inevitably hops on one and starts firing at players with it /=

Do those guys only exist for AD? ) =

They exist on EP side too, but usually when someone hops on my other ballista, they shoot the wall.

They Exist on all sides.. kind of the nature of lowbies to go "OOH FREE SEIGE! I GOING TO PWN SOME PEEPS" and wiff each shot..

i usually only set up one to avoid it but i have no problem with people using any extra seige i set up to burn a keep.. i have actually managed 4 active at once because pugs started picking them up..

Yeah I dont mind as much if they hit the walls, but they did it constantly to me when I was emp and I didn't want to be an ass and start insulting them but having to constantly explain "please get off my siege, I do double damage as emp and you're only slowing the siege down" get's old.

Kartalin · November 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

I can't be the only person to be frustrated when setting up a double ballista to take down a postern that some lowbie inevitably hops on one and starts firing at players with it /=

Sometimes they shoot at the door

Rylana · November 2014

Vice has started making a point to put oils up against the walls of keeps and dump them as a joke whenever we see someone shooting a fire ballista at one, or some other kind of worthless siege.

Sometimes we even run a ram around acting like noobs, just because we want to fit in.

Ezareth · November 2014

I've seen many a Ram put up at a postern door during my days in Cyrodiil

/shakes head

frozywozy · November 2014

ezareth_ESO wrote: »

You set one of them up for *that guy* who never brings siege and is always happy to take yours.

ILU!

I copy/paste this text when someone does it since a good while now lol :

"When you see a siege not being used, that doesn't mean someone let it there free to use, that mean someone is either using 2 at the same time, typing or defending himself. please don't be selfish and use it, buy your own, thank you."