Veteran Ranks - Champion System

Cazic

It might be a bit too soon for us to know these details, but I'm a little unclear on how this transition is going to take place based on the info that's available so far.

From the 1.5 patch notes:

"We have been tracking Experience gains past maximum Veteran Rank on accounts in preparation for the Champion System. Veteran Ranks are now earned by Experience Points instead of Veteran Points."

I thought the Champion System was replacing Veteran Ranks entirely. This states that they're only considering EXP gained past VR 14 in preparation. Does that mean that the VR system will still be there up to VR 14, and then you start earning Champion points after that? Or this is just the first phase of the transition which will lead into the VR system being fully replaced?

OrangeTheCat

They are phasing it in piecemeal.

starkerealm

There's going to be a brief transitional period between the veteran ranks and the champion system. 1.5 is said to be an awkward hybrid of the two systems, and 1.6 or 1.7 will bring the actual, fully fledged champion system in.

GoatKnuckle

Take a look at Diablo 3 and its Paragon system. You are welcome.

Cazic

Okay thanks for the replies, that makes sense.

The "We have been tracking Experience gains past maximum Veteran Rank" part is still confusing though. If the goal is to replace the VR system entirely (by 1.6 or 1.7), shouldn't all EXP gained within VR 1-14 be tracked as well?

Cazic

GoatKnuckle wrote: »

Take a look at Diablo 3 and its Paragon system. You are welcome.

Thanks. Yeah I'm familiar with what the Champion system is and how it'll work. It's more the transition from the VR system that is unclear.

Nihil

Cazic wrote: »

Okay thanks for the replies, that makes sense.

The "We have been tracking Experience gains past maximum Veteran Rank" part is still confusing though. If the goal is to replace the VR system entirely (by 1.6 or 1.7), shouldn't all EXP gained within VR 1-14 be tracked as well?

The exp has already been tracked to VR 14 , they are basically saying that exp past that point is still being tracked. And when the champion system first goes live they will still have veteran ranks implemented. They will end up removing veteran ranks, just to make it a smother transition they are leaving them in place when it first is released.

ZOS_MariaAliprando wrote: »

Greetings! I am Maria Aliprando, Gameplay Designer on the Champion System.

We are hard at work on it and I’m here to answer a few of your questions. Most of these questions were also asked during our Guild Round Table in the last two days.

How will the current system change when the Champion System gets introduced?

The Champion System will introduce new past lvl 50 progression for your account where previously there was only an increase in Veteran Ranks and Attributes. The Champion System allows you spend points in the constellations to earn powerful passives such as giving your bash a chance to snare targets, reduce the amount of damage you take from flames or leech health on critical strikes.


What happens to the Veteran Ranks we currently have VR1-12?

We want to remove the Veteran Ranks from the game and rely on the more active progression provided by the Champion System. However, when we release the Champion System we will continue to maintain Veteran Ranks. We have several options as to how we will remove Veteran Ranks but all of them require time and careful planning. In the meantime, we are making Veteran Ranks earned by XP and reducing the overall time it takes to get a Veteran Rank. We are also rewarding an Attribute Point and a Skill Point each time you reach a Veteran Rank.


What happens to the Skill Points from VR1-12? Are they carried over to the CS instead?

The Skill Points we reward will not be removed from you! You will continue to have the same amount of Skill Points you do now. The Champion System does not reward any Skill Points, only gaining Veteran Ranks does. When we take out Veteran Ranks we will make sure that anyone that didn't make it max Veteran Rank will still rewarded with those Skill Points.


Does everyone that is a Veteran Rank get lowered back to lvl50? Or are the Ranks staying, but only being changed to lvl 51, 52, etc instead?

Similar to an answer before, we just don’t know yet.


Should players that are VR1+ still work towards VR12 or should they just wait until the new changes.

Continue to play! We are tracking your XP as you advance your way through Veteran Ranks and even past VR14. When the Champion System comes out we will reward you points right away based on the amount of XP you have earned up to a cap. In general, most people won’t reach the cap and we do not know what that cap is yet. We're still working out that value and making sure to take a look at the XP you all are earning.

starkerealm

What I really want to know is, are the existing costumes (Golden Saint, Dark Seducer, and Manimarco) still going to be available under the Champion system, or are they an early adopter perk only?

Cazic

Thanks @nihil, that helps

Muizer

uhmmm, can someone point me to a description of the difference between xp and vp? Everyone seems to know but I don't. Is there a difference in the kind of actions you get them for? Tnx in advance for any help and of course all the lols!

starkerealm

Muizer wrote: »

uhmmm, can someone point me to a description of the difference between xp and vp? Everyone seems to know but I don't. Is there a difference in the kind of actions you get them for? Tnx in advance for any help and of course all the lols!

I gift you with lol.

But, seriously. So, when you hit vet you're still getting XP, but you're also getting Vet Points. Vet points only come from killing Vet ranked enemies and turning in quests. And to be clear, that's any quests. You can take your vet ranked character back to their leveling zones, pick up a quest they missed, do it, turn it in, and get VP for it.

Other stuff, like Exploration, picking locks, killing level 45-50 enemies, and anything else that used to give XP still does, and you can still rank up your non-50 weapon lines and your skills from those.

Now, I think you also still get XP from doing quests and from killing vet ranked enemies, because the skill line behavior and skill advancement systems continue. But I can't prove it.

Also, if you've got rings of Mara, they still affect the XP intake, but they don't affect your Veteran Point gain.

Basically Veteran Points are the XP type you need to advance your Veteran Rank and nothing else.

Muizer

Good thing I already thanked you