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Insurrektion

Lets recap last night's events.
All accounts of last nights events are in CST time zone (-6 GMT)

12:30 am Begin PvP
-DC takes everything on the west side of the map to just below the imperial city at the center
-EP takes everything on the east side of the map down to Sejanus
-DC heads east and attacks Alessia. The entire AD faction shows up and drives them off.
-EP splits up. Half attack Alessia, the other half attacks Bleakers.
-AD defends at Alessia and takes Ash.
-DC defends Nickel and Bleakers.

3:00 am log off and go to bed.

8:00 am Get up only to find the server down for maintenance.
9:00 am Server still down.
10:00 am The server is on. I log on to find AD has taken all the innermost keeps as well as almost every single keep for EP.

The following questions and statements come to mind:
1)When did the server go down?
2)Looks like this campaign for Thornblade is going to go down the same road as the last one, with the AD Aussies causing such a dramatic shift in power that cannot be overwhelmed. Simply put, the DC and EP cannot defend their keeps if they're offline and every single Aussie felt the need to roll AD.
3)Should we just let Thornblade become a AD buff server and move the action over to Azura's Star? Then if that AD Aussie crew moves over to Azura's Star to start skrewing everything up there we can just come back to Thornblade and daycap everything while they're asleep. I think they'll get the hint when they wake up and find that all their "hard-earned gains" are gone.
4)AD is winning in Thornblade, but not by much. I feel bad for them as a faction. During the day while I'm at work they must be losing miserably because at night, they get the entire map turned yellow until morning. This means their day crew is getting their teeth kicked in and their night crew are PVDooring.

Weberda

Sooo you want to nerf the Australians???

Agrippa_Invisus

The prime time crew gets their teeth kicked in precisely because of the PVDooring. If they didn't, then there's never be a hope of catching the overnight crew.

Until that overpopulation of AD starts to reroll into EP/DC, then this game's PVP is going to continue down the death spiral it's on. At the current rate of attrition, the only faction that will have any players left is AD and that is when ESO is a dead game.

AD has to reroll or watch this game burn to the ground. These antics overnight just exacerbate things and make people quit faster.

EDIT -- And to add, if EP had its home keeps and 3 scrolls by 3am Central US Time (when I went to bed) then it's pretty obvious the map got blitzed before server maintenance to take advantage of the down time.

That's not the behavior of a faction that cares about being good sportsmen or wanting to engender competitiveness. They only care about the win and not the damage they inflict to get it.

On top of that a certain skeletal guild appears to be using this as an opportunity to farm Emperor now, bringing back bad memories of the old 90 day campaigns and Celarus.

riverdragon72

Funny, the day time hours is AD against Barney and the ZoS lag team,with 3-4 guilds bouncing from keep to keep. I can't remember what time last night but we pulled off a dethrone and scroll capture within a half hour. Without having to stealth camp behind the gate, hiding until most of the scroll defense leaves and wall jump on the way out.

Keep boo hooing and as far as the rest of the poo pooing neither one of you are saints either. That is the most laughable part of it all.

Agrippa_Invisus

riverdragon72 wrote: »

Funny, the day time hours is AD against Barney and the ZoS lag team,with 3-4 guilds bouncing from keep to keep. I can't remember what time last night but we pulled off a dethrone and scroll capture within a half hour. Without having to stealth camp behind the gate, hiding until most of the scroll defense leaves and wall jump on the way out.

Keep boo hooing and as far as the rest of the poo pooing neither one of you are saints either. That is the most laughable part of it all.

You don't even understand what the actual issue is, do you?

The population balance issue is driving subscribers away from the game. As in, there are fewer players playing every day because AD are too busy riding the coattails of night capping to wins they don't deserve.

You remember Auriel's Bow, right? King Campaign of Night Capping? How dead was it by the end of season 1? A ghost town.

Huntler

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

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riverdragon72 wrote: »

Funny, the day time hours is AD against Barney and the ZoS lag team,with 3-4 guilds bouncing from keep to keep. I can't remember what time last night but we pulled off a dethrone and scroll capture within a half hour. Without having to stealth camp behind the gate, hiding until most of the scroll defense leaves and wall jump on the way out.

Keep boo hooing and as far as the rest of the poo pooing neither one of you are saints either. That is the most laughable part of it all.

You don't even understand what the actual issue is, do you?

The population balance issue is driving subscribers away from the game. As in, there are fewer players playing every day because AD are too busy riding the coattails of night capping to wins they don't deserve.

You remember Auriel's Bow, right? King Campaign of Night Capping? How dead was it by the end of season 1? A ghost town.

In his defense he's right, night capping didn't dethrone the emp or take the scrolls. It was done at like 9 eastern in the middle of primetime. I'm not justifying night capping here, but last night on Thorn it was triple locked during primetime and all that happened was primetime, don't know what the OP of this thread is claiming that he went to be at 3am and all this stuff happened... unless he lives in the UK it happened during primetime NA.

I don't think he was trying to ignore your issue, he was merely pointing out the problem with what the OP stated, blaming a loss on night capping when it happened primetime. I think we can all agree population imbalances and all that have their issues, but last night was not the case.

Agrippa_Invisus

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Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

riverdragon72 wrote: »

Funny, the day time hours is AD against Barney and the ZoS lag team,with 3-4 guilds bouncing from keep to keep. I can't remember what time last night but we pulled off a dethrone and scroll capture within a half hour. Without having to stealth camp behind the gate, hiding until most of the scroll defense leaves and wall jump on the way out.

Keep boo hooing and as far as the rest of the poo pooing neither one of you are saints either. That is the most laughable part of it all.

You don't even understand what the actual issue is, do you?

The population balance issue is driving subscribers away from the game. As in, there are fewer players playing every day because AD are too busy riding the coattails of night capping to wins they don't deserve.

You remember Auriel's Bow, right? King Campaign of Night Capping? How dead was it by the end of season 1? A ghost town.

In his defense he's right, night capping didn't dethrone the emp or take the scrolls. It was done at like 9 eastern in the middle of primetime. I'm not justifying night capping here, but last night on Thorn it was triple locked during primetime and all that happened was primetime, don't know what the OP of this thread is claiming that he went to be at 3am and all this stuff happened... unless he lives in the UK it happened during primetime NA.

Yeah, I remember the dethroning happening during prime time.

Personally what I'm referring to is the Skeletal emp that was crowned around 5-5:30 am Central US time and the scrolls taken shortly after, which was right before maintenance.

riverdragon72

So this is the screenshot from 2:30 today, it look much like any afternoon for AD actually... cry me a river.

Agrippa_Invisus

You do realize this wouldn't happen if the night capping didn't happen? That Red and Blue would pound on Chalman and Aleswell like they habiitually do because they weren't utterly incensed by the overnight garbage?

The more you act the bully, the more the opposition start to hate you more than they hate each other.

riverdragon72

sure... whatever..

Insurrektion

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

You do realize this wouldn't happen if the night capping didn't happen? That Red and Blue would pound on Chalman and Aleswell like they habiitually do because they weren't utterly incensed by the overnight garbage?

The more you act the bully, the more the opposition start to hate you more than they hate each other.

A thousand times this. Yea thats what the map looks like now dude but this morning when the servers came back online it was a sea of yellow. Do you expect red and blue to make a b-line at eachother across the north, or retake what the AD nightcappers took right before server maintenance? There is no purple conspiracy, both the dc and ep are doing what is logical - going after the faction that has stuff to take - which also happens to be in first place.

That is why I said I pity you. You didn't ask for a double teaming. You're going to get it though, because both DC and EP aren't so dense as to ignore the real problem and just give AD a free win by competing for scraps in the north.

WraithAzraiel

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

AD has to reroll or watch this game burn to the ground. These antics overnight just exacerbate things and make people quit faster.

I'll watch it burn before I reroll. Try advertising and bribery to win some Oceanic players.

Columba

Part of the issue is that the AD group has perfected the impulse monkey spamming such that many of us just leave the area when they show up with that face rolling play. It lags out the server so badly that we go do something else and the impulse monkey spammers can take whatever they want. It's not skill that gives them the keeps. It's that people don't enjoy fighting that garbage.

WraithAzraiel

Columba wrote: »

Part of the issue is that the AD group has perfected the impulse monkey spamming such that many of us just leave the area when they show up with that face rolling play. It lags out the server so badly that we go do something else and the impulse monkey spammers can take whatever they want. It's not skill that gives them the keeps. It's that people don't enjoy fighting that garbage.

AD isn't the only alliance that has faceroll spam monkey squads. DC has them. EP has them.

That's about the ONLY thing every alliance has in common.

Columba

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Columba wrote: »

Part of the issue is that the AD group has perfected the impulse monkey spamming such that many of us just leave the area when they show up with that face rolling play. It lags out the server so badly that we go do something else and the impulse monkey spammers can take whatever they want. It's not skill that gives them the keeps. It's that people don't enjoy fighting that garbage.

AD isn't the only alliance that has faceroll spam monkey squads. DC has them. EP has them.

That's about the ONLY thing every alliance has in common.

I agree. However there is one that is clearly over the top on this "skilled play," lol. I stay away from the impulse monkey spammers on my own faction as well.

MormondPayne_EP

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Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

AD has to reroll or watch this game burn to the ground. These antics overnight just exacerbate things and make people quit faster.

I'll watch it burn before I reroll. Try advertising and bribery to win some Oceanic players.

Great sentiment.

I bet in real life you got your lunch money taken from you everyday and felt powerless to do anything about it, didn't you?

Sometimes we need to do things for the greater good.

So it is true, some "men" just want to watch the world burn, the problem is they often realise too late that in the end they are left to walk through the ashes... Alone.

Shadowsan

OP, you do know that this has been happening since Wabbajack 1.5 when the hordes of Aussie AD migrated to the best server.

EP won Wabbajack 1.0 when all teams fought a balanced fight. Ever since then EP and DC have fought the night cappers and tried to keep the race close. Even if it is close though they flock back for the last few days to make sure that they get the win.

The fights during prime time when all three servers a pop-locked though (except large scale lag ones) are very epic and a blast.

If you are playing on the server to win though it is a lost cause until ZOS or the populations become more balanced. Until then just enjoy the fights on a day to day basis and don't worry too much about the scoreboard.

Xsorus

This happens on every server with Aussie Zerg

They killed Auriels Bow with night capping
They were in then process of killing Wabbajack
and now they're killing Thornblade

Agrippa_Invisus

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

This happens on every server with Aussie Zerg

They killed Auriels Bow with night capping
They were in then process of killing Wabbajack
and now they're killing Thornblade

I've tried staying up late and talking to some of them. The ones I've spoken with, while perfectly polite people, just don't seem to understand the issue no matter how gently I try to ease them into it.

'But it's our prime time, we're just playing the game' is the battlecry.

If there were no scoreboard at all, this would be a better game.

Braidas

The real culprit here is lag. We could hold off AD's colossal zerg at a keep forever if it didn't create so much lag that skills stop working.

Asgari

Braidas wrote: »

The real culprit here is lag. We could hold off AD's colossal zerg at a keep forever if it didn't create so much lag that skills stop working.

agreed. Its been proven time and time again. There is no reason keeps should flip from sheer numbers on the flag.

riverdragon72

MiyaTheUnbroken

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

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xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

This happens on every server with Aussie Zerg

They killed Auriels Bow with night capping
They were in then process of killing Wabbajack
and now they're killing Thornblade

I've tried staying up late and talking to some of them. The ones I've spoken with, while perfectly polite people, just don't seem to understand the issue no matter how gently I try to ease them into it.

'But it's our prime time, we're just playing the game' is the battlecry.

If there were no scoreboard at all, this would be a better game.

You're asking people to not play this game because you and your friends are sleeping. To make it worse you are claiming that this is "for the greater good." That's pretty messed up, dude. You shouldn't try to dictate what times people can play, it's rude.

If you dislike it there are options for you take responsibility for creating your own enjoyment, rather than asking others to change for you. You can move to a different server, you can make an AD character and join them, you can find a different game, or you can just ignore them and have fun on your own.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

Well nice to see reason fly over the cuckoo's nest.

Several things need to happen: More people need to play ESO AND PVP. We had a lot that DID but ragequit due to massive amount of bugs that failed to be addressed in a timely manner. Either more people need to play DC and EP to balance things out, or AD need to not be such spazcases regarding buffs. If you're in the middle of a trial, don't drop everything. Keep pushing through it. You want a challenge, challenge yourself to complete the trial WITHOUT buffs. I've seen quite a few EP/DC teams topping leaderboards but only a scant handful of AD.

If the buff localization coming in 1.5 fails to even slightly mitigate the issue, then AD will keep digging its own grave with its overwhelming greed and bad sportsmanship.

Columba

AD impulse monkey spammers will suffer in the next patch.

DezIsDead

Braidas wrote: »

The real culprit here is lag. We could hold off AD's colossal zerg at a keep forever if it didn't create so much lag that skills stop working.

I mean your hating on AD but I agree to an extent. There's been times we could of saved fare from you smurfs and flat out got rolled because lag locked doors and being unable to use any skills. So I truly feel your pain on the lag. Still not as bad as wabbalag tho. Silver linings

jkirchner71ub17_ESO2

Columba wrote: »

AD impulse monkey spammers will suffer in the next patch.

I'm still trying to figure out who these "AD impulse monkey spammers" you seem to be hung up on in some of your posts. I can say there isn't much impulse use in my guild and definitely not anymore than the DC and EP Impulse groups and players we encounter on TB. Please clarify - is there a specific guild you are referring to through passive aggressive simian epithets or are you referring to the entire AD alliance? I can think of maybe one guild but they don't look like monkey and if it is an entire alliance then we might as well say Tamriel is full of impulse spamming monkeys because I have yet to run into DC or EP guild zerg who wasn't using Impulse with frequency. As much as I, you or anyone else may not care for it being used with extreme frequency Zos gave the players a skill to use and they are using it.

WarrioroftheWind_ESO

jkirchner71ub17_ESO2 wrote: »

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Columba wrote: »

AD impulse monkey spammers will suffer in the next patch.

I'm still trying to figure out who these "AD impulse monkey spammers" you seem to be hung up on in some of your posts. I can say there isn't much impulse use in my guild and definitely not anymore than the DC and EP Impulse groups and players we encounter on TB. Please clarify - is there a specific guild you are referring to through passive aggressive simian epithets or are you referring to the entire AD alliance? I can think of maybe one guild but they don't look like monkey and if it is an entire alliance then we might as well say Tamriel is full of impulse spamming monkeys because I have yet to run into DC or EP guild zerg who wasn't using Impulse with frequency. As much as I, you or anyone else may not care for it being used with extreme frequency Zos gave the players a skill to use and they are using it.

I could run out of fingers on both hands counting how many would fit into that category that have materialized on NA Haderus within the last week, but then I'd be violating the name&shame policy. Suffice to say when a skill or set of skills becomes the end all be all in a game that is supposed to support creative and unconventional gameplay, there is a problem. Said problem only gets worse when there are players of a given faction who's definition of 'creative gameplay' is "LOL THEY GOT WREKT!" via impulse spam.

dgoss11b14_ESO

i believe he may be referring to the AD "skellies" that plague the lands of cyrodiil with impulse and batswarms... lol

jkirchner71ub17_ESO2

dgoss11b14_ESO wrote: »

i believe he may be referring to the AD "skellies" that plague the lands of cyrodiil with impulse and batswarms... lol

Xsorus

No score board would be nice. Albs had a massive Zerg in daoc. But no scoreboard meant it wasn't a problem