ZoS forcing people to unsubscribe?

Rylana

At the time you swapped, pops were so even that even a single small group of coordinated players would swing the balance and you knew that.

Not to mention literally half of DC leveled out at the same time and never came back after.

Its not that your group alone left DC hanging, its that when you left we were already down about 15-20 people from the cycle before, red was the last faction that needed any help, they already outnumbered 2-1.

When I came to DC i was joining the underdog. I had a choice of a DC toon or an AD toon, since i hadnt yet played blue I went blue. AD had the higher pop so there you go.

The leaderboards clearly showed the population skew as well. After the first day of a campaign cyle 25-30 blues would be listed, many with scores under 5k. There would be over 100 reds listed (no idea how many more there would be since it only goes to 100). AD was about halfway in between.

Now DC is completely dead, if you hadnt noticed. Not a single DC player even has 10k AP last I checked, while your group of reds fights a small force of yellows over Bleakers/Aleswell Farm every day.

Palidon

Don't want to break the train of thought on this thread, but the PvP issues are not the only problem. Another problem is that ZOS has continually put out repeatable quests for veteran content in PvE. How many times does a player want to do the same Dungeon whether to get the slayer achievement or now the new daily Undaunted pledges which put you right back into the same dungeons again fighting the same mobs and bosses. How many times does a player want to do the same trials only to receive the same gear over and over again or Dragonstar Arena? Even in Craglorn you have dailies which are in a nutshell doing the same quests over and over again. Yes they added something new in update 5. City of Ash. A new trial. But in the long run how many times are players going to do that one over and over.

Where are the new adventure zones with NEW SOLO QUESTS AND CONTENT for veterans to tackle? Why does all veteran PvE stuff have to be group to accomplish anything? This game to me has become very repetitious‎ and is becoming quite boring. If you really think about it there is nothing new just the same ole grind over and over again whether it be PvP or PvE.

Anyways I am looking at other MMO's. Especially the free ones. I can not see playing for repetitious content and ESO is full of it especially after level 50 in PvE.

Major

Rylana wrote: »

At the time you swapped, pops were so even that even a single small group of coordinated players would swing the balance and you knew that.

Not to mention literally half of DC leveled out at the same time and never came back after.

Its not that your group alone left DC hanging, its that when you left we were already down about 15-20 people from the cycle before, red was the last faction that needed any help, they already outnumbered 2-1.

When I came to DC i was joining the underdog. I had a choice of a DC toon or an AD toon, since i hadnt yet played blue I went blue. AD had the higher pop so there you go.

The leaderboards clearly showed the population skew as well. After the first day of a campaign cyle 25-30 blues would be listed, many with scores under 5k. There would be over 100 reds listed (no idea how many more there would be since it only goes to 100). AD was about halfway in between.

Now DC is completely dead, if you hadnt noticed. Not a single DC player even has 10k AP last I checked, while your group of reds fights a small force of yellows over Bleakers/Aleswell Farm every day.

At the time of my switch DC had the numbers and you know that! I swapped the day emp was crowned, because I didn't want any faction having all 6 scrolls. Which the guild that played in bwb at the time was trying to do! Also 15-20 people level'd out at the same time and didn't come back? You pull all kinds of facts from your ass don't you... I left to accomplish something and I did... Make sure a faction doesn't hold all 6 scrolls again on a NON VET campaign... You are dead wrong in thinking I'm killing this place... I have spent as much time as anyone trying to help bwb... Sorry sir I can't force people to subscribe and keep re-rolling toons to play on bwb.

Another fact you seem to be over looking is that each time an emp was crowned the population died for a couple days. Even when the teams were even... The other teams just seem to give up.

On the subject of 1 dc having 10k ap... Almost a month after I leave I'm blamed for dc having no one on the leaderboards... How about instead of you spending all your time on the forums you hop in those low level pve zones and spam for some pvp in bwb... It ain't hard to raise your population... Just takes time

Rylana

Or how about all the faction flippers that left DC go back to it so the populations even out again. Seems the most logical, since EP has highest pop and DC is dead.

Seriously, the last couple of DC guys i saw on BB spent their entire day ballistaing down one wall of ash over and over and over, not even trying to take the keep, just sieging it trying to get a random or two to respond.

They dont even have the coordinated numbers to take more than a resource at this point.

The main reason im faulting you is that you played the coward card and joined the biggest population faction on the campaign. It would be akin to rolling AD on thornblade on haderus.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

I thought this thread was supposed to be a thread about the issues facing PvP as a whole and why PvP is hemoraging guilds and players due to neglect and poor design choices from ZOS.

Somehow it got hijacked and turned into The Daily Mail: Blackwater Blade edition.

Blackwater Blade is fine although it suffers a bit from the ever decreasing PvP population due to the same neglect that every other PvP campaign has.

The greater problem is this:

PvP is dying because ZOS has been ignoring Cyrodiil since Craglorn came out in favor of trying to keep up with the PvE content race.


When they do make a change to PvP, it is either too little, too late, or completely up the wrong tree. It is obvious they are not taking direction from anyone who plays PvP consistently or competently but instead, from the loudest voices in these (predominately PvE focused) forums.

For example, of all the issues they could have addressed, the decide to nerf oils.

Now if you go to the "General Forums" you see people applauding this change and saying how oil on the ground breaks their immersion and how many times they died to oil farms.

If you read the "Alliance war" forums, you see that anyone that knew how to press the purge button had no problem with oils and lamented the change because oils were one of the few ways an organized small force could repel a giant zerg ball.

Forward camps needed tweaking for sure, but they weren't the main issue. ZOS can't keep changing the small stuff while avoiding the larger looming PvP issues for so long.

What are these longstanding PvP issues?

• Lag: (skill lag, weapon switch lag, door lag, horse lag, zerg lag, lag lag)
• Poor performance in PvP (crashes, lag, memory leaks) every patch that go unchecked for weeks.
• Bugs in certain skills that either ruin the skill or make it OP that go unchecked for weeks
• Dirty lying tooltips and hidden cooldowns (templar charge) to abilities.
• Lack of duels/battlegrounds
• AoE caps (and other mechanics) that favor zergballs
• Range vs. Melee imbalance (an oft-neglected subset of the magicka/stamina debate.
• Lack of a true overarching balance paradigm between the classes.
• Inconsistent nerfs and buffs to certain classes based on reactionary flameposts on the forums.
• Long periods of neglect, followed by severe reactionary changes to game mechanics.

Let me know if there are any I left out. This is what we need to discuss.

Does ZOS want the PvP community to stay in this game? If so, they are going to have to take their heads out of craglorn and look at the rest of the game.

Major

Rylana wrote: »

Or how about all the faction flippers that left DC go back to it so the populations even out again. Seems the most logical, since EP has highest pop and DC is dead.

Seriously, the last couple of DC guys i saw on BB spent their entire day ballistaing down one wall of ash over and over and over, not even trying to take the keep, just sieging it trying to get a random or two to respond.

They dont even have the coordinated numbers to take more than a resource at this point.

The main reason im faulting you is that you played the coward card and joined the biggest population faction on the campaign. It would be akin to rolling AD on thornblade on haderus.

I told you stop wasting your time on these forums and spread the word about low level pvp in low level zones as we did.

BTW mr. hypocrite you moved to dc not ad... when dc had way more than ad... You really slipped this post... I don't want to play with you dc wads... I had dc loyalty until ignorant people like yourself wanted a leader, but not to have to do the things he says... I doubt you understand what I'm saying, but others will.

Numbers to take a resource... Well I've seen it done with 2, 3, 4, 5 people and I've done it with 6... Like any other game you just need to figure out what to do then do it...

The coward card... Since the forward camp changes vet campaigns are probably more fun than bwb. Until the fc change I'm positive bwb was the best campaign to play on.

Last thing... had I finished leveling up my ad alt and pvp'd with it... We would have a yellow emp now and you'd be on my nuts about that... Stay off my nuts and get in zone chat... Stop being a useless tool... Do some work