ZoS forcing people to unsubscribe?

decado0024_ESO

So first off I would like to say that I would really appreciate if we didn't turn this into a qq l2p response fest. I would like to take a few mins to talk about the state of affairs in PVP. I am going to try and not get into the class imbalances but rather stay on topic of game mechanics that are forcing ppl to unsubscribe. The population has decreased drastically and I for one feel that it is due to the complete disregard PVP gets when it comes to updates and fixes.

The first thing I would like to talk about is mechanics put in place to keep ppl from cheating or exploiting that don't work at all. ZoS has stated that they are going to stop the buffs from traveling with the player to a different campaign. I think that these buffs are PVP buffs and should not apply to all the PVE players because frankly they don't earn it. PVDooring a campaign is completely different from playing on a evenly populated server where u actually have to put in the time to earn them. However the "proposed" fix is not in effect. The buffs still travel and ppl still use buff servers, completely destroying pvp population balances. We are left with one real server that is half populated by guest players with full buffs, and that same server is extremely laggy because there is no where else ppl want to PVP. I know a few guilds have tried to fix this on their own and all respect to those guilds they deserve it.

Another mechanic placed in the game to stop ppl from placing camps behind the gates so a raid cant hide behind the gate after it closes and steal the scrolls UNFAIRLY is the new barrier mechanic. I tested this out and was behind the gate of gartok when it closed. when I tried to run out I was hit with a 7506 point damage titled barrier of gartok. At first I thought this was going to be great I have lost count of the number of times DC has used this particular trick. They make a weak attempt at the scroll which is just a diversion for getting one guy with a few camps behind the gate. They wait and hide and once the other faction starts pushing out and taking keeps back they steal the scroll. This happened tonight on thorn as a matter of fact. I wont name anyone but everyone in zone was like ' ehh don't worry they obviously don't read patch notes cause there is a barrier now and they cant get back out" But wait yes they can they just place him in a big cluster and he sneaks thru. This is an exploit. You can call it what you want but its an exploit. You sir cheated and you know who you are and hopefully Zos will ban you for it.

Emperor trading is still a massive issue in the game. There is an EMP on blackwater blade that has been emp for 9 days. He actively plays on blackwater blade as a EP alt. And only gets on his DC emp when he is in danger of getting dethroned. The is a guesting mechanic in place and you are not supposed to be able to play two different factions on the same campaign. However all you have to do is look in your guild find someone on the campaign you want and travel. As this isn't a huge deal it is another example of how simple mechanic changes could restore faith in the game. Used to be population was capped out on wabba and dawnbreaker. and there was action all the time one the other less populated servers. its clear ZoS is losing players faster than they can count. I don't think its the PVE content release because honestly they do a great job on PVE. It has to be the lack of attention that PVP gets. Please for the love of god fix this game. Fix the PVP.

Braidas

are those...paragraphs?!?!

decado0024_ESO

Lol Just for u bud just for u lol

Rylana

Decado just take a large group and dethrone that emp. If he comes to defend it, he will level himself out anyway.

No matter what he does he cant keep it forever, he either defends and gains XP, or he gets dethroned.

It is actually disgusting that that guy has intentionally held on to it like that, up until him every other emperor of blackwater blade had leveled out or been dethroned legitimately. There is a reason all other emps lasted 5 days or less, we actually played our toons.

And because the entourage defending emp is actually a group of EP that guested over to DC alts, youre going to have to do it alone as AD. Shame on them, honestly.

kijima

Unfortunately, what you've mentioned is only part of the problem.

1. Class Imbalance (I know you said you were not going to mention that, but it's still an issue)
2. Crashes, lag, FPS and overall poor performance.
3. Population Imbalance
4. Updates that are PvE centric with zero focus on PvP
5. Disregard for PvP in total, no blue VR14 Boxes, only VR12 etc
6. Exploiters
7. PvP is stale

I could go on, the thing is there are many reasons why people are in fact leaving, it would be okay if it were just a few things, but as it stands right now the game needs a major update or freshen up with attention to so many different areas.

It's a crying shame for me ot see so many people leaving, as I'm a TES fan going way back and I can leave just yet, I'm not done with this game. The actual reason for me not leaving is wanting to get better at it PvP

There are people I have unfinished business with, those that I've fought and been torn apart by, it's those people I want to be able to beat moving forward. I'm an NB and if I don't say so myself, pretty devastating with my bow bar, but I've gone as far with that as I can and I'm pretty good, not being arrogant, I know I'm pretty good. It's my battlefield game, that I want improve on, and I'm getting better.

It's the only reason, that and the friends that I've made along the way. It's why I still stump up my $15 per month.

Monsoon

Today is my last night for this subscription...until ZOS starts caring about PVP I won t be back. Such a waste, I can t imagine the amount of cash they are losing everyday from people who just are upset and leave and being faced with a company that does not give a **** about PVP.

I would even be happy to pay more...way more but at the moment I feel I am being given the finger every time I log in Cyrodiil so screw that I am not a masochist and this is not worth my time as it is not enjoyment anymore, its frustration

timidobserver

Game development takes time. No major changes are going to happen quick. I imagine that a slew of PVP fixes will be coming along with the imperial city.

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@decado0024_ESO‌

They didn't force me to unsubscribe but forced me to quit pvp a while ago due to their complete denial of the core pvp problems. I will agree that much.

Wonder if the devs were half as quick on fixing pvp issues as the forum moderators are on censoring, closing threads, copy pasting standard replies
if pvp was what we're all expecting it to be.

Good to see some people don't get tired of reminding the devs until it finally comes into place when it's already too late. Feels like pyrrhus.

Cody

wait.... the DC emp and his allies on blackwater blade play on EP alts in the campaign......




WHAT????(nerd rage incoming. be warned, there may not be paragraphs)


so let me get this crap straight, ZOS would rather pump out pointless and completely un-needed PvE grindzones, than fix that crap?? well heck, idk if I even wanna play on blade now, if the guy is that dang desperate to hang on to it.

I really did not even know..... I thought there was a mechanic put in place, to where you could not have 2 characters of different factions on the same campaign??? how is he bypassing this?? don't tell me its that "travel to player" crap. if it is, then ZOS has GOT to put a stop to traveling to players in cyrodiil. at this point, it does not matter if it hinders people playing with their friends. If you want to play with your friends, then home on the same dang campaign.

Cody

well, civilization, beyond earth comes out in just a few weeks......... if the PvP is not improved by then, I may be gone for quite some time.


ZOS, STOP ONLY CARING ABOUT PVE. I, and MANY others, have already done all the PvE we can stand. for [snip] sake my VR12 has the tamriel hero title!!!!! meaning I went thru every single alliance zone, and did almost every single quest!!! Do you really think I am going to go thru all that boring monotonous crap again with my other characters??????NO!!!!!! Do you really think I am taking my.... how many chars do I have now. seven, to craglorn?? NO. Do you think the crap ton of other people like me, are going to?? NO. to grind maybe..... but to do all those quests you guys spent time making? NO. Turn all that effort you guys put into the worthless and pointless PvE grindzones called Craglorn, into the dang PvP! we now have 18 PvE zones. If someone gets thru that in just a few days, they just grinded, and did not experience the content. stop appeasing those people!!! its ruining the PvP, because you are ignoring PvP, to sate the huge grinders!!!!


lets go over the current state of PvP shall we?

the one competitive campaign is almost unplayable because of crashes and lagging.

the other 4 are, atm, merely buff servers for the alliances(R.I.P. Blackwater blade:( you lasted the longest before falling to the buff server disease)

the game has huge imbalance issues ranging from the game mechanics themselves to the population imbalance. Mechanics that don't make any sense, zerg blobing taking all the fun out, these buff servers, the messed up way FCsare used...... I could go on.

so there is my nerd rage rant. Stop focusing on PvE and give PvP the attention it deserves.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Cursing & Profanity]

driosketch

Rylana wrote: »

Decado just take a large group and dethrone that emp. If he comes to defend it, he will level himself out anyway.

No matter what he does he cant keep it forever, he either defends and gains XP, or he gets dethroned.

It is actually disgusting that that guy has intentionally held on to it like that, up until him every other emperor of blackwater blade had leveled out or been dethroned legitimately. There is a reason all other emps lasted 5 days or less, we actually played our toons.

And because the entourage defending emp is actually a group of EP that guested over to DC alts, youre going to have to do it alone as AD. Shame on them, honestly.

Whoa, wait. Is this true? I just figure this emp wasn't that good, (third regicide achievement btw). They're usually lower on the leader boards, and the only reason they haven't been dethroned is it's hard to get good organized teams on AD and EP to retake keeps.

I may be former DC on BB, moved those characters to Thorn, but I give EP my all. Let me just state AD won't have to do it alone. There are those of us on EP willing to work together under a truce to take down DC until we restore balance. We worked together for a period to kick DC out of Drake, and that's one of our home keeps.

Rylana

Its true. All of the "Dark' named people are part of an alliance of EP that flipped DC for an emp run, and they play their EP toons instead of DC unless emp is threatened.

They were talking about it the day [snip] got emp. I didnt think it would be like this two weeks later, but from what I understand they play red toons until theres 1-2 keeps left blue, then they switch back and recap the ring

Must be their way of AP farming so neither blue nor red players could ever threaten their top guys on the boards.

As long as the sitting emp never has to defend his keeps and level up, he will always be emp unless AD or EP that arent part of that group dethrone him.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

k2blader

Thanks for posting about the state of Blackwater Blade.

Blackwater was a really fun, balanced campaign up until this current emp and shenanigans (euphemism) happened.

I haven't logged in yet today to see the current status, but AD without a doubt would like to dethrone this emp and prevent any of the same. But we are low on population and basically morale, given the situation. Any AD guilds who'd like to help, I think it could be fun for you. :-)

Not sure how much help the legitimate EP can give. I have a feeling they are in the minority.

DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs

Who plays even pvp in this game ? and why? just WHY?

WHAT IS THE POINT, ID LOVE TO KNOW WHY YOU KEEP ATTACKING THOSE WALLS WITH NOTHING IN THEM WHHHHHY

k2blader

I'll add though people already know, some of these DC have AD alts they use for surveillance purposes. It's kinda funny when we see them and there are only a handful of AD even on. :-P

serenenightmare

decado0024_ESO wrote: »

So first off I would like to say that I would really appreciate if we didn't turn this into a qq l2p response fest. I would like to take a few mins to talk about the state of affairs in PVP. I am going to try and not get into the class imbalances but rather stay on topic of game mechanics that are forcing ppl to unsubscribe. The population has decreased drastically and I for one feel that it is due to the complete disregard PVP gets when it comes to updates and fixes.

The first thing I would like to talk about is mechanics put in place to keep ppl from cheating or exploiting that don't work at all. ZoS has stated that they are going to stop the buffs from traveling with the player to a different campaign. I think that these buffs are PVP buffs and should not apply to all the PVE players because frankly they don't earn it. PVDooring a campaign is completely different from playing on a evenly populated server where u actually have to put in the time to earn them. However the "proposed" fix is not in effect. The buffs still travel and ppl still use buff servers, completely destroying pvp population balances. We are left with one real server that is half populated by guest players with full buffs, and that same server is extremely laggy because there is no where else ppl want to PVP. I know a few guilds have tried to fix this on their own and all respect to those guilds they deserve it.

Another mechanic placed in the game to stop ppl from placing camps behind the gates so a raid cant hide behind the gate after it closes and steal the scrolls UNFAIRLY is the new barrier mechanic. I tested this out and was behind the gate of gartok when it closed. when I tried to run out I was hit with a 7506 point damage titled barrier of gartok. At first I thought this was going to be great I have lost count of the number of times DC has used this particular trick. They make a weak attempt at the scroll which is just a diversion for getting one guy with a few camps behind the gate. They wait and hide and once the other faction starts pushing out and taking keeps back they steal the scroll. This happened tonight on thorn as a matter of fact. I wont name anyone but everyone in zone was like ' ehh don't worry they obviously don't read patch notes cause there is a barrier now and they cant get back out" But wait yes they can they just place him in a big cluster and he sneaks thru. This is an exploit. You can call it what you want but its an exploit. You sir cheated and you know who you are and hopefully Zos will ban you for it.

Emperor trading is still a massive issue in the game. There is an EMP on blackwater blade that has been emp for 9 days. He actively plays on blackwater blade as a EP alt. And only gets on his DC emp when he is in danger of getting dethroned. The is a guesting mechanic in place and you are not supposed to be able to play two different factions on the same campaign. However all you have to do is look in your guild find someone on the campaign you want and travel. As this isn't a huge deal it is another example of how simple mechanic changes could restore faith in the game. Used to be population was capped out on wabba and dawnbreaker. and there was action all the time one the other less populated servers. its clear ZoS is losing players faster than they can count. I don't think its the PVE content release because honestly they do a great job on PVE. It has to be the lack of attention that PVP gets. Please for the love of god fix this game. Fix the PVP.

Wait... You got hit by the barrier? I don't think I've come across this when sneaking a scroll with the guild. That is a little odd.

Psilent

Rylana wrote: »

Its true. All of the "Dark' named people are part of an alliance of EP that flipped DC for an emp run, and they play their EP toons instead of DC unless emp is threatened.

They were talking about it the day [snip] got emp. I didnt think it would be like this two weeks later, but from what I understand they play red toons until theres 1-2 keeps left blue, then they switch back and recap the ring

Must be their way of AP farming so neither blue nor red players could ever threaten their top guys on the boards.

As long as the sitting emp never has to defend his keeps and level up, he will always be emp unless AD or EP that arent part of that group dethrone him.

This is correct, Dark "EP Character Name" is a group of people who were friends on EP side of Blackwater Blade that wanted to play with a higher population of players, so they went over to DC to crown an Emperor. Original intent was just to have fun; however, like real life, once someone grabs power it can be very hard for them to give up. Which results in Blackwater Blade becoming a Non-Vet DC buff server, which is not good.

The good news is a few of the members are not happy with what happened and have returned to EP side to dethrone. I'm sad to hear that it hasn't happened yet, Blackwater Blade is what caused me to fall in love with ESO PvP, so I am very sad to see this happen. Vetting out of Blackwater Blade was a sad day, now I'm stuck with really awful Impulse spamming pvp.

I don't think the non-vet campaign is restricted on having multiple characters in different alliances in the campaign. My friends in Dark move between their two characters on the same @name, I'll have to check next time, but I never added a new friend to the list.

Anyway, if you all are bored, please come over to Azura's Star! I have a stupid 3 day wait timer before I can move out of there to Haderus. Nothing is more fun in this game than annoying AD on Haderus!

[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]

booksmcread

Might be nice to implement a small lockout timer on entering Cyrodiil on different alliances. Example, once you leave Cyrodiil on an AD character, you can't re-enter Cyrodill on an EP or DC character until an hour has passed (and vice versa). You could do any PVE you wanted, just not enter a Cyrodiil campaign until the timer has elapsed. Would help to prevent the BB emp situation as described above, people who always want to switch to the "winning" side, and prevent the people the who switch to alts on their own accounts from dropping troll camps to prevent enemies from placing campus during keep taking/defense.

driosketch

Rylana wrote: »

Its true. All of the "Dark' named people are part of an alliance of EP that flipped DC for an emp run, and they play their EP toons instead of DC unless emp is threatened.

They were talking about it the day [snip] got emp. I didnt think it would be like this two weeks later, but from what I understand they play red toons until theres 1-2 keeps left blue, then they switch back and recap the ring

Must be their way of AP farming so neither blue nor red players could ever threaten their top guys on the boards.

As long as the sitting emp never has to defend his keeps and level up, he will always be emp unless AD or EP that arent part of that group dethrone him.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

Well could be worse. They could be trading emp back and forth between sides.

Last night AD and EP had five keeps a piece, and most of the scrolls were back home.

decado0024_ESO

Yep barrier of gartok hit me for 7506. It is why the "unnamed" scroll runner from thornblade got about 200 cheat reports posted on him. Aparrantly you can just zergball your way thru and as long as he is in the middle of the pack he wont get blasted. as soon as his name came up and we saw the scroll outside of the gate like half the population stopped chasing him to file reports. I would have preferred more ppl chased the scroll down with me but ..ehh.

Psilent

booksmcread wrote: »

Might be nice to implement a small lockout timer on entering Cyrodiil on different alliances. Example, once you leave Cyrodiil on an AD character, you can't re-enter Cyrodill on an EP or DC character until an hour has passed (and vice versa). You could do any PVE you wanted, just not enter a Cyrodiil campaign until the timer has elapsed. Would help to prevent the BB emp situation as described above, people who always want to switch to the "winning" side, and prevent the people the who switch to alts on their own accounts from dropping troll camps to prevent enemies from placing campus during keep taking/defense.

Just make it like all the other campaigns; if you have one alliance character home/guesting there, then you can't have another unless you move that one out of the campaign.

Monsoon

Reminder: ZOS does not give a **** about PVP... Film at 11

SafiyerAmitora

If that guy really is still emp in BB, I'd have an interest in pairing up with EP to get him out of there and let others have a chance at emp. Holding onto it that long like that just isn't right. Just how we'd get a massive army of allied EP and AD is a little beyond me...

Durham

kijima wrote: »

Unfortunately, what you've mentioned is only part of the problem.

1. Class Imbalance (I know you said you were not going to mention that, but it's still an issue)
2. Crashes, lag, FPS and overall poor performance.
3. Population Imbalance
4. Updates that are PvE centric with zero focus on PvP
5. Disregard for PvP in total, no blue VR14 Boxes, only VR12 etc
6. Exploiters
7. PvP is stale

I could go on, the thing is there are many reasons why people are in fact leaving, it would be okay if it were just a few things, but as it stands right now the game needs a major update or freshen up with attention to so many different areas.

It's a crying shame for me ot see so many people leaving, as I'm a TES fan going way back and I can leave just yet, I'm not done with this game. The actual reason for me not leaving is wanting to get better at it PvP

There are people I have unfinished business with, those that I've fought and been torn apart by, it's those people I want to be able to beat moving forward. I'm an NB and if I don't say so myself, pretty devastating with my bow bar, but I've gone as far with that as I can and I'm pretty good, not being arrogant, I know I'm pretty good. It's my battlefield game, that I want improve on, and I'm getting better.

It's the only reason, that and the friends that I've made along the way. It's why I still stump up my $15 per month.

#1 problem in this game is Performance hands down.. Other problem are expected over the life of a PVP/PVE MMORPG.......... but what should not be expected is the performance of this game in large scale PVP or fighting near large scale PVP....

smassareub17_ESO

The only PVP players that will be left will be the exploiter/cheaters. They can insta-dodge and make themselves invincible....how will they defeat each other in the end when their programs are so perfect for cheating? Sad. It ruins the game.

Kypho

They dont force you to unsub, you can join the cheese monkeys too.

CoolsHisHands

Am I one of the only people who believe a "closed" scroll gate barrier should only prevent enemies from getting in, and do nothing to stop enemies from getting out?

Just capping the keeps required to close the gate shouldn't nullify a scroll-carrying group before its exited the gates. You should still need to kill the group.

With the removal of forward camps, keeping the gate open is going to be more important anyway.

Major

Rylana wrote: »

Its true. All of the "Dark' named people are part of an alliance of EP that flipped DC for an emp run, and they play their EP toons instead of DC unless emp is threatened.

They were talking about it the day [snip] got emp. I didnt think it would be like this two weeks later, but from what I understand they play red toons until theres 1-2 keeps left blue, then they switch back and recap the ring

Must be their way of AP farming so neither blue nor red players could ever threaten their top guys on the boards.

As long as the sitting emp never has to defend his keeps and level up, he will always be emp unless AD or EP that arent part of that group dethrone him.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

I played on Blackwater Blade for the DC since it was released. Everything on that server was even and fun until an EP guild came in on a Friday night and turned the map red and took all 6 scrolls.

This event made the AD not even try for nearly 2 weeks. So it was our outnumbered underbuffed DC vs EP until we took our home keeps. It wasn't until then did the AD start trying to fight back giving us some relief.

My guild recruited in zones and grew pretty large over time. I believe we were going to get emperor on DC before the Darks even made the move. They only had 10 max dark players on the night we took the remaining inners. We had become an organized group that could take keeps. Proof of my statement... When the former ep emp who had rule while holding 6 scrolls tried to defend Warden. We took it with her/him and all the ep trying to defend.

After the Dark campaign had run and the emperor was crowned. Myself and a handful of others left the guild I had built up and went to play on the EP side to dethrown the Emp. with plans to return to DC. The only person switching back and forth was the emperor. No one else was doing some weird flipping ap farming horsecrap that you're trying to get people to believe. He eventually stopped playing on his DC toon and he actually helped dethrown himself. The only reason he held it for so long was because of his low level when achieving it.

Rylana

Major wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Its true. All of the "Dark' named people are part of an alliance of EP that flipped DC for an emp run, and they play their EP toons instead of DC unless emp is threatened.

They were talking about it the day [snip] got emp. I didnt think it would be like this two weeks later, but from what I understand they play red toons until theres 1-2 keeps left blue, then they switch back and recap the ring

Must be their way of AP farming so neither blue nor red players could ever threaten their top guys on the boards.

As long as the sitting emp never has to defend his keeps and level up, he will always be emp unless AD or EP that arent part of that group dethrone him.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

I played on Blackwater Blade for the DC since it was released. Everything on that server was even and fun until an EP guild came in on a Friday night and turned the map red and took all 6 scrolls.

This event made the AD not even try for nearly 2 weeks. So it was our outnumbered underbuffed DC vs EP until we took our home keeps. It wasn't until then did the AD start trying to fight back giving us some relief.

My guild recruited in zones and grew pretty large over time. I believe we were going to get emperor on DC before the Darks even made the move. They only had 10 max dark players on the night we took the remaining inners. We had become an organized group that could take keeps. Proof of my statement... When the former ep emp who had rule while holding 6 scrolls tried to defend Warden. We took it with her/him and all the ep trying to defend.

After the Dark campaign had run and the emperor was crowned. Myself and a handful of others left the guild I had built up and went to play on the EP side to dethrown the Emp. with plans to return to DC. The only person switching back and forth was the emperor. No one else was doing some weird flipping ap farming horsecrap that you're trying to get people to believe. He eventually stopped playing on his DC toon and he actually helped dethrown himself. The only reason he held it for so long was because of his low level when achieving it.

Nah see I know thats a lie actually. Ive been emperor and actively defended on blackwater. If youre actively defending and gaining AP you are also gaining XP towards your level out.

See the problem was, for a whole cycle he never gained AP, he literally never played. For five full days he sat at about 12k AP and it never budged while he played the other faction.

Why did he not play his emp? because he couldnt afford to gain any more AP, because he would gain XP and level out.

Up until him (and i dont just mean me here) every emp was active full time on their toon, they didnt bring alts into the campaign, they played their emp and either ended up deposed or abdicated via level out.

Whether directly related to you or not, the last three emperors of BB have all left under shady circumstance. I also watched the most recent emp delay his level out by not playing.

One left via abdication trying to let you speed cap a single keep to get emp for yourself (and ill be honest, i laughed my ass off when i saw that youd tried, because i knew that exploit was plugged months ago)
One held it for almost 2 weeks by not playing his toon and relying on other DC members to hold it for him
One held it for about a week while being crowned in the 40s, which i can tell you flat out goes by way faster than a week if youre actually playing. I was going up a level every two-three hours actively defending my keeps.

No one else out of the eight or so emps before your little cliq started pulling your garbage did these things. Why you? Are you special?

In fact your little emp farming cliq has pretty much wrecked BB, most of the people I knew that loved the campaign and kept coming back quit because of it.

Once you crossed the line of starting to have a whole guild flopping around the factions to control the whole direction of the campaign you lost all credibility that anything you do is legit. When I changed factions I did so because Lyzara was the only EP toon I had, I had no choice. You guys went to active lengths to switch factions intentionally.

Grim13

^ these are the reasons we can't have nice things.

Major

Rylana wrote: »

Major wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Its true. All of the "Dark' named people are part of an alliance of EP that flipped DC for an emp run, and they play their EP toons instead of DC unless emp is threatened.

They were talking about it the day [snip] got emp. I didnt think it would be like this two weeks later, but from what I understand they play red toons until theres 1-2 keeps left blue, then they switch back and recap the ring

Must be their way of AP farming so neither blue nor red players could ever threaten their top guys on the boards.

As long as the sitting emp never has to defend his keeps and level up, he will always be emp unless AD or EP that arent part of that group dethrone him.

[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Naming & Shaming]

I played on Blackwater Blade for the DC since it was released. Everything on that server was even and fun until an EP guild came in on a Friday night and turned the map red and took all 6 scrolls.

This event made the AD not even try for nearly 2 weeks. So it was our outnumbered underbuffed DC vs EP until we took our home keeps. It wasn't until then did the AD start trying to fight back giving us some relief.

My guild recruited in zones and grew pretty large over time. I believe we were going to get emperor on DC before the Darks even made the move. They only had 10 max dark players on the night we took the remaining inners. We had become an organized group that could take keeps. Proof of my statement... When the former ep emp who had rule while holding 6 scrolls tried to defend Warden. We took it with her/him and all the ep trying to defend.

After the Dark campaign had run and the emperor was crowned. Myself and a handful of others left the guild I had built up and went to play on the EP side to dethrown the Emp. with plans to return to DC. The only person switching back and forth was the emperor. No one else was doing some weird flipping ap farming horsecrap that you're trying to get people to believe. He eventually stopped playing on his DC toon and he actually helped dethrown himself. The only reason he held it for so long was because of his low level when achieving it.

Nah see I know thats a lie actually. Ive been emperor and actively defended on blackwater. If youre actively defending and gaining AP you are also gaining XP towards your level out.

See the problem was, for a whole cycle he never gained AP, he literally never played. For five full days he sat at about 12k AP and it never budged while he played the other faction.

Why did he not play his emp? because he couldnt afford to gain any more AP, because he would gain XP and level out.

Up until him (and i dont just mean me here) every emp was active full time on their toon, they didnt bring alts into the campaign, they played their emp and either ended up deposed or abdicated via level out.

Whether directly related to you or not, the last three emperors of BB have all left under shady circumstance. I also watched the most recent emp delay his level out by not playing.

One left via abdication trying to let you speed cap a single keep to get emp for yourself (and ill be honest, i laughed my ass off when i saw that youd tried, because i knew that exploit was plugged months ago)
One held it for almost 2 weeks by not playing his toon and relying on other DC members to hold it for him
One held it for about a week while being crowned in the 40s, which i can tell you flat out goes by way faster than a week if youre actually playing. I was going up a level every two-three hours actively defending my keeps.

No one else out of the eight or so emps before your little cliq started pulling your garbage did these things. Why you? Are you special?

In fact your little emp farming cliq has pretty much wrecked BB, most of the people I knew that loved the campaign and kept coming back quit because of it.

Once you crossed the line of starting to have a whole guild flopping around the factions to control the whole direction of the campaign you lost all credibility that anything you do is legit. When I changed factions I did so because Lyzara was the only EP toon I had, I had no choice. You guys went to active lengths to switch factions intentionally.

If you want to say my group of 6-8 that moved from dc to ep were the heart of the DC? When we left we killed em? Get real dude. You are still butt hurt over not being able to do jack as a DC. Look at me... I don't mind I didn't get emp at that moment... I like everyone else I talked to was in the dark. So unlike everyone else I read about on here we tried something. An abdication... I was even given an e-mail from support saying abdication was one way of an emperor change. I am not mad about it. In the end I'm glad she did abdicate... means you dc folks didn't have an excuse for not being able to zerg us with 70+ and use troll camps to make people run farther (some even died to slaughter fish making them have to res at the wayshrine). Bottom line is when you change factions it's ok, but when others do it we are wrecking the game... Trash