Paid faction change

Malveria

I have a whole guild willing to leave AD and bolster whatever side is losing the campaigns, or whatever side needs an organised group the most.

Help us help you balance the population. Bring in paid faction change.

seanolan

No, no. Just...no.

Beotor

Pls no ...

JaJaLuka

Either EP or DC will welcome you with open arms. It's fantastic some people are actually actively trying to solve some problems form within and not waiting for a magic fix from the developers. Though it should be up to you and your guildmates to decide which you would rather play. Though I don't think anyone will pay you for it...

Bramir

Soon we will find out if ZOS actually gives a damn about PvP...thanks for offering!

Garion

I don't think this should be made possible.

First and foremost, faction / alliance pride is already pretty thin on the ground and to me that is disappointing. This almost certainly comes from the VR system which has its benefits (no need to roll an alt, etc) but has what I consider to be a considerable drawback on the basis that it dilutes individual attachment to their chosen alliance.

Secondly, on EU I feel that the populations are more or less balanced and I don't want to see this compromised by a change driven by problems on the NA server.

Finally, I feel that allowing this would create more problems than it would solve. Right now on NA you (apparently) have a problem with one alliance being excessively populated in comparison to some others. I don't know if this is entirely true, as I don't play on NA, but let's assume it is the case. If you allow this to happen, your guild might move to help the underdogs, but where do you think a significant percentage of the underdogs will go? They will go to the overly populated alliance because they are frustrated with the population disparity, thus aggravating the issue.

It would make more sense to do an offer on steam or something to enable you to elect to play whichever race you want if you went for either DC or EP. Or an exclusive vanity pet for players choosing an underdog faction or something like that. Something to incentivise new players to the game and attract them to a faction that is struggling to represent itself.

JaJaLuka

I think they were talking about rerolling... and if people from the underpopulated alliances were leaving and bolstering the more populated one, don't you think leaving to join the underdogs would help re-bolster them?

I'm sorry your post doesn't make much sense to me.

Malveria

I'm not saying we should be paid. I'm saying WE should pay. Drop $10 real world money to take my character, my PVP rank, my AP, everything, and move it to another faction. Reset me on the leaderboard, of course. But we want to fight. We want to use the characters we have worked on, the builds we have refined, and we want to shift to another faction to balance the population.

And of course, many people will change factions to the lower level, but there are plenty - and I mean plenty of players, both organised and not, that will happily jump over to the losing side for the chance to have constant fighting.

I hate winning by nightcapping, I hate fighting against a lower pop. I hate that AD pats itself on the back for winning with a population imbalance. Let my guild move to EP. Let us fight for the underdogs. And then when another faction starts losing, we'll move there, too.

The scrub players want to shift to the winning side? Go ahead. We'll eat them, too.

MormondPayne_EP

Are you kidding me? Who do you think you are that you should be paid. It sounds like blackmail but at the very least it is just arrogance and a warped sense of entitlement.

You should not need to be paid to switch you should do so in order to help the game survive going forward and to combat the exodus of players leave because of sheer overwhelming numbers in opposition factions.

I really can't believe this, it MUST have been written by one of snooty high elves.

This has to be a joke otherwise, you'll need to remove your heads from each other's asses and come back to reality.

Braidas

lol at these idiots who misunderstood your post, and the guy above who even ignored your unnecessary clarification. definitely allow this zos, im sure a lot of ad would be moving over

Agrippa_Invisus

Paid character transfer, like WoW's, would require the PLAYER to pay Zenimax, for transferring the toon from one faction to another. A service in an online cash shop.

JamieAubrey

Then can I have a paid instant VR1 character ?

Mitrenga

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Then can I have a paid instant VR1 character ?

You want to give up what's most fun about this game, levelling 1-50?

Malveria

MormondPayne_EP wrote: »

Are you kidding me? Who do you think you are that you should be paid. It sounds like blackmail but at the very least it is just arrogance and a warped sense of entitlement.

You should not need to be paid to switch you should do so in order to help the game survive going forward and to combat the exodus of players leave because of sheer overwhelming numbers in opposition factions.

I really can't believe this, it MUST have been written by one of snooty high elves.

This has to be a joke otherwise, you'll need to remove your heads from each other's asses and come back to reality.

Read the post before yours, pls.

Ghostbane

How on earth did people get that ZoS pay players to change factions?

Either excellent trolls or have arse gravy for brains.

But yes. It should not be difficult to do. Please provide this option. I know the marketing department will love it.

Malveria

Put a lock out on each character. 30 days after a change, you can't change again. So there is no way for your character to move twice in the same campaign, no matter which one it is.

Let the people who want to move to the winning side move. Let the people who want to fight, fight.

Zintair

@‌Malveria

/salute Glad to see there are those willing to sacrifice winning for more glory and stability in a game we all desperately want to love.

I wonder if this question was brought up at the guild summit....

Hears to hoping ZoS is listening and can put this into effect on a BALANCED scale.

Bramir

Garion wrote: »

I don't think this should be made possible.

First and foremost, faction / alliance pride is already pretty thin on the ground and to me that is disappointing. This almost certainly comes from the VR system which has its benefits (no need to roll an alt, etc) but has what I consider to be a considerable drawback on the basis that it dilutes individual attachment to their chosen alliance.

Secondly, on EU I feel that the populations are more or less balanced and I don't want to see this compromised by a change driven by problems on the NA server.

Finally, I feel that allowing this would create more problems than it would solve. Right now on NA you (apparently) have a problem with one alliance being excessively populated in comparison to some others. I don't know if this is entirely true, as I don't play on NA, but let's assume it is the case. If you allow this to happen, your guild might move to help the underdogs, but where do you think a significant percentage of the underdogs will go? They will go to the overly populated alliance because they are frustrated with the population disparity, thus aggravating the issue.

It would make more sense to do an offer on steam or something to enable you to elect to play whichever race you want if you went for either DC or EP. Or an exclusive vanity pet for players choosing an underdog faction or something like that. Something to incentivise new players to the game and attract them to a faction that is struggling to represent itself.

I'm sorry, but the very real, game-killing problem we have on the NA servers trumps theoretical problems on the EU servers.

If you think any self-respecting EP player is going to switch to AD for pvp purposes, you are crazy. I'm pretty sure that feeling goes for DC, too. And besides, they could just lock the AD faction and allow outgoing transfers from AD only.

MormondPayne_EP

Braidas wrote: »

lol at these idiots who misunderstood your post, and the guy above who even ignored your unnecessary clarification. definitely allow this zos, im sure a lot of ad would be moving over

To be fair, I was typing that message very shortly after the initial post and posted it but by the time I had, the clarification was in but I had not read it yet as I was still typing my message.

So cool your heels big fella.

Garion

Bramir wrote: »

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Garion wrote: »

I don't think this should be made possible.

First and foremost, faction / alliance pride is already pretty thin on the ground and to me that is disappointing. This almost certainly comes from the VR system which has its benefits (no need to roll an alt, etc) but has what I consider to be a considerable drawback on the basis that it dilutes individual attachment to their chosen alliance.

Secondly, on EU I feel that the populations are more or less balanced and I don't want to see this compromised by a change driven by problems on the NA server.

Finally, I feel that allowing this would create more problems than it would solve. Right now on NA you (apparently) have a problem with one alliance being excessively populated in comparison to some others. I don't know if this is entirely true, as I don't play on NA, but let's assume it is the case. If you allow this to happen, your guild might move to help the underdogs, but where do you think a significant percentage of the underdogs will go? They will go to the overly populated alliance because they are frustrated with the population disparity, thus aggravating the issue.

It would make more sense to do an offer on steam or something to enable you to elect to play whichever race you want if you went for either DC or EP. Or an exclusive vanity pet for players choosing an underdog faction or something like that. Something to incentivise new players to the game and attract them to a faction that is struggling to represent itself.

I'm sorry, but the very real, game-killing problem we have on the NA servers trumps theoretical problems on the EU servers.

If you think any self-respecting EP player is going to switch to AD for pvp purposes, you are crazy. I'm pretty sure that feeling goes for DC, too. And besides, they could just lock the AD faction and allow outgoing transfers from AD only.

I absolutely agree that something needs to be done on the NA server, as I have noticed the NA community be particularly vocal about the issue which is an indication it is impacting on a lot of people. That said, I think your argument applies to us also. I don't want to see game-killing problems introduced on the EU server by this feature and so if it were to happen, I would like to see it restricted to the NA server alone. While I disagree with the notion in principle I would have no problem with that, as it would not impact me or the server on which I play.

Kosar

It doesn't matter how much you think the paid transfers will help, they simply won't. this instantly makes the game pay to win, and it needs to be rewards for competing. there needs to be an entire incentivized progam for changing, recruiting, or even conversely, stopping new players from joining an already larger faction.

we are about to have the fake PvP instance of the middle of cyrodiil added to draw 1000s upon 1000s of PvE and Achievement hunters to our maps. What is one thing casuals don't want to do? Work endlessly for something. They simply don't have 8 hours a day to push and repush the enemy at or off keeps just so they can get inside the Imperial City.

So what happens if you allow paid transfers? The bulk of the population who are supporting this game with their monthly fee pay for their transfer to overload 1 single population to garauntee they can log on any time and get into the city. Instant PvP killer, though not a game killer.

And I can assure you that the same and more non-hardcore PvPers out there who show up in cyrodiil a day a week, who enjoy it but not immensely, will have one thing in mind was well... being sick of losing... however they perceive losing (in this game it seems to have various, different meanings). They who do not take the faction/loyalty/game as seriously as some will have no problem doling out cash to transfer for a "win" each month/week/2 week period from an overloaded faction, even though the idea of winning is far below its actual rewards.

Agrippa_Invisus

effinshiddy wrote: »

It doesn't matter how much you think the paid transfers will help, they simply won't. this instantly makes the game pay to win, and it needs to be rewards for competing. there needs to be an entire incentivized progam for changing, recruiting, or even conversely, stopping new players from joining an already larger faction.

we are about to have the fake PvP instance of the middle of cyrodiil added to draw 1000s upon 1000s of PvE and Achievement hunters to our maps. What is one thing casuals don't want to do? Work endlessly for something. They simply don't have 8 hours a day to push and repush the enemy at or off keeps just so they can get inside the Imperial City.

So what happens if you allow paid transfers? The bulk of the population who are supporting this game with their monthly fee pay for their transfer to overload 1 single population to garauntee they can log on any time and get into the city. Instant PvP killer, though not a game killer.

And I can assure you that the same and more non-hardcore PvPers out there who show up in cyrodiil a day a week, who enjoy it but not immensely, will have one thing in mind was well... being sick of losing... however they perceive losing (in this game it seems to have various, different meanings). They who do not take the faction/loyalty/game as seriously as some will have no problem doling out cash to transfer for a "win" each month/week/2 week period from an overloaded faction, even though the idea of winning is far below its actual rewards.

Oh please.

Nothing but speculation and rubbish.

There are previous examples of paid transfers in other games (Rift and WoW) that have neither imbalanced or broken the balance of power.

This tool can also be used, by waiving the fee to certain factions, to allow ZOS to use it as a balance correction tool. They can even lock transfers to AD, seeing as it is the most heavily populated.

Previous MMOs have shown that the speculated nonsense you're postulating is not how this service is typically used.

JD2013

I can see why you would want this. I honestly can. But doesn't it kind of cheapen your choice at the very beginning?

DC all the way for me! Faction pride is all too thin on the ground in this game.

Agrippa_Invisus

JD2013 wrote: »

I can see why you would want this. I honestly can. But doesn't it kind of cheapen your choice at the very beginning?

DC all the way for me! Faction pride is all too thin on the ground in this game.

I'll take balanced populations over faction pride and a meaningful early game faction choice any day of the week.

JamilaRaj

I am not going to betray Emeric no matter what money would you pay me.

OrangeTheCat

Braidas wrote: »

lol at these idiots who misunderstood your post, and the guy above who even ignored your unnecessary clarification. definitely allow this zos, im sure a lot of ad would be moving over

I'd be happy to move to a different faction as long as I don't have to slog through the leveling process again; that's just not an option as far as I am concerned. I have a lot of pride in my NB and I don't want to just put her aside to go and basically recreate her in another faction. It's not my fault I am on AD; I started there during pre-launch and there was no population imbalance or existing PvP track record at that time.

kijima

JamieAubrey wrote: »

Then can I have a paid instant VR1 character ?

Can't tell if serious...

Malveria

effinshiddy wrote: »

It doesn't matter how much you think the paid transfers will help, they simply won't. this instantly makes the game pay to win, and it needs to be rewards for competing. there needs to be an entire incentivized progam for changing, recruiting, or even conversely, stopping new players from joining an already larger faction.

we are about to have the fake PvP instance of the middle of cyrodiil added to draw 1000s upon 1000s of PvE and Achievement hunters to our maps. What is one thing casuals don't want to do? Work endlessly for something. They simply don't have 8 hours a day to push and repush the enemy at or off keeps just so they can get inside the Imperial City.

So what happens if you allow paid transfers? The bulk of the population who are supporting this game with their monthly fee pay for their transfer to overload 1 single population to garauntee they can log on any time and get into the city. Instant PvP killer, though not a game killer.

And I can assure you that the same and more non-hardcore PvPers out there who show up in cyrodiil a day a week, who enjoy it but not immensely, will have one thing in mind was well... being sick of losing... however they perceive losing (in this game it seems to have various, different meanings). They who do not take the faction/loyalty/game as seriously as some will have no problem doling out cash to transfer for a "win" each month/week/2 week period from an overloaded faction, even though the idea of winning is far below its actual rewards.

Honestly, this is a bunch of speculative naysaying. You don't know it won't help, and it certainly doesn't make the game pay to win. You're assuming a bunch of people want to reroll AD for the easy win rather than reroll other factions for the good fight. I assure you, the latter exists en masse. You know which of those two are the quality PVPers.

If people want to join AD because AD is winning, let them. Know them for the pathetic, cheap-ass, sub-par that they are. You're better off without them.

Cody

we don't need no AD spies stinkin up our guar barns and our inns/strip clubs(:D)

nah. jk. do whatever the heck you want.

Cody

it will be nice to see how AD people do it, without having to join queen ayreens pathetic army:D

kijima

I'm must be of a minority then, as I'm faction proud!

AD in beta, AD first day of game release and right now today I have no intention of leaving AD.

The Ebonheart Pact is made up of stupid, drunk, wife beating nords and two faced Dark Elves that have a deep hatred of Nords after having them plunder their lands and women, and finally Lizards. Lizards for crying out loud!... Scum, all of you!

Daggerfall Covenant is no better, filled with Redguards that strongly resemble the desert people of star wars, and then there is the ugly, smelly orcs. Nothing else needed there, apart from Tamriel needs to be freed of such filth. And finally those stuck up, cheese eating surrender monkeys better known as Bretons that look like something from a Monty Python movie.

How could I possibly leave AD when I have such hatred for the other pacts.

For me it's the back story about the factions which makes made gravitate to a faction, (that and Kate Beckinsale hehehe) so why should I change that? That's what drew me in, as well as being a loyal customer of the existing elder scrolls franchise. And for me the faction sledging that is tongue and cheek on the forum and in game is, again for me a huge part of the attraction to the game... for me.

The answer, and a serious one at that is the health of the game, if it means keeping PvP alive then sure, I'd move but very begrudgingly. We shouldn't have to of course, players shouldn't feel the need to re-balance things themselves, ZOS should be putting in safeguards to help with faction numbers balancing.

The early days of wabba with the three equally (debatable I know) factions was fantastic, it would be nice to revisit that methinks.

P.S. I'm not really every going to change from AD, I'd rather see the game burn to hell than join up with EP and DC scum!